Big Herbert fan here. I’ll never the game he played against the Raiders a couple seasons ago - don’t remember who won but I think it was tied or really close with less than two minutes to go in the fourth. Herbert threw on every down and it took all four downs to move the chains on every series. Going to have to look that one up this summer and rewatch it as it was one of the most nail biting games I’ve ever witnessed.

It was also later reported that Brian Flores was pounding the table for them to draft Love over Tua.

I expect Gute was quietly hoping Rodgers would become extra motivated by the Love pick, at the time he made it.

Agree. Everything starts with protecting the qb. If he’s not rushed he can toss up balls for guys to catch.

"Packers will include 2-4 OL along with AR, making it epic. That’s my best guess."

If that's your best guess, I'd hate to see your worse. My best guess is that anyone who is expecting anywhere near the "biggest trade in NFL history during the modern era" for a 40yo QB is in for a huge letdown. Up to FOUR Olinemen? Lol.

Probably more like a 2nd this year and possibly a '24 pick if Rodgers keeps playing next year. And that's for Rodgers straight up, with a slight chance Bahk might be included post June 1st.

Either way, it is now Jordan Love's team. I wish him well, as I'm sure most true Packer fans do too. It should be an exciting year.

I love your optimism about the trade, greengold, but I’m not so sure the Packers will want to trade away too many Olinemen. They have to be awfully confident in the players they keep and can add in the draft. Finally, with all the pundit noise about the state of the Packers-Jets negotiations, I am concerned that the deal with NY doesn’t get done before the draft. Rodgers and the Jets have more incentive to wait until closer to training camp. If I was in Gute’s shoes, I’d move on to other teams that have expressed an interest in acquiring Rodgers. The Jets have had their chance. For our team’s sake the trade should happen before/during the draft.

I could see them pulling off a separate trade after the draft that includes Bakhtiari for something like a 2024 2nd or 3rd. I could also see Royce Newman being included in the deal, too.

Great write up…I was a fan from the beginning of the Love pick. Even if it fails, I will always be a fan because the only way you win the NFL consistently is if you have a Top 5 QB year in and year out. That has been proven for decades. Being a GM you must draft for now and into the future. That was a future pick that is coming to fruition today. Not unlike when they drafted Rodgers and we all know how well that turned out. The reality is you don’t get many opportunities to draft what you believe is a steal of a QB. We did it with Rodgers and now we will see with Love.

The reality is if you analyze Love’s Sophmore year when he had a good offensive scheme, WR’s and OL he showed what he is capable of. If none of that changed in his Junior year as GG stated he would’ve been out of the reach for the Packers to get, unless they gave up their current #1 and 2 more in future years. It’s expensive to trade up to where the top QB’s are drafted. Just look at what the Panthers paid to move up from 9 to number 1 in this draft. Chicago made a big haul.

Ha ha, I remember that my reaction turned the air blue too. But like you I felt a lot better after a lot of digging into Love, if still feeling we could have helped us that year.

A lot if this was eerily similar to Rodgers. Back then he was similarly polarizing among scouts. Some though he was a clear number one and others cited the fact that he wasn’t initially recruited, but had to go to Bute Community College, his Tedford grip and only brief period as a starter (2 seasons) as well as perceived indecisiveness and unwillingness to use his athleticism. He was even dinged for being only 6’2”, deemed marginal height back then.

One quote of TTs to Peter King on MMQB from right after the draft has always dated with me and I’m my PC.

"Three or four days before the [2005] draft we're doing our research, going down the board, and I'm looking, and I think, 'None of these teams are taking a quarterback.' I couldn't find one, after San Francisco. We hadn't really paid attention to Rodgers because we just figured he'd be gone. Plus, we didn't have that big a need there, obviously. So I just buried myself and went to look at all the Rodgers tape—from games, from the combine, from his pro day. After a couple of days I just felt he was too good to pass. So I said, "If he falls to us, we're taking him.'"

Love too was felt by many to be either very early or to fall for similar reasons to Rodger—perceived individual team favor of guys like Tua and Herbert, similar to that Saban was known to have felt for Davis in ‘05.

Here’s how a leading bookmaker saw it pre draft;

“According to William Hill, the steam (nearly 80% of the tickets) continues to back the ‘over’ in regards to Love’s draft prop position. With the way things stand right now, the over on pick 16.5 seems to be the play. Since I have Miami grabbing Tagovailoa at No. 5, the Chargers going for Herbert at No. 6, that leaves the Saints, Packers and Colts all drafting after pick 17. The only way I envision Love’s draft prop not going over 16.5 is if the Colts trade up with a team in the top half of the first round. At odds of -110, I am willing to make the gamble that they don’t relinquish the extra draft capital a move that high up would require.“

The Packers took Love at 24. It seems to me to be an eerily similar circumstance to Ted’s ‘ not a great need but a player who might drop for a bunch of reasons much further than ability justified. I see the two as being close parallels. One worked well, now let’s see if the other will.

"When they committed the mortal sin of trading up, I yelled nooooooooo. But then was excited again to see who they wher going to pick"

I know what you mean. I was fully prepared to hear Patrick Queen's name called.

I railed on that draft for quite some time after it was done, but I'll be honest: I was much more peeved by the Dillon and Deguara selections than the Love selection. I could rationalize the Love pick, whether I agreed with it or not: they must've had a high grade on him and he slid into range--and ARod was getting up there in years (and had just had a second statistically meh season (for him) in a row). I thought Dillon was a luxury pick they couldn't afford after using #1 on Love, and that Deguara was a significant reach.

At some point every single Hall of Fame QB has been replaced. That’s what you struggle with: the inevitability that Rodgers’ time will pass.

I'm hanging with your thoughts, for now.

Stop trying to paint him as a racist. Everybody doesn't have to be offended and bring up the race card right away. That happens way too much. Creep is stating an opinion that actually is backed up by how many Caucasian QBs are and have been in the league forever. The percentage over the last 30 years is probably staggering. Just like Head Coaches in the NFL. Pretty blatant. Green Bay is probably overwhelmingly "white", to use that term. So is Iowa where I live. Thats just a fact. Get over it. Bottom line is we got a pretty good QB with a lot of potential who waited for his chance and it's here. How about if everyone accepts that and supports him? The king is dead, long live the king.

Come on, you know that absolutely nothing is a fact in the draft, only calculated opinions.

Jordan Love would have been the #1 overall pick in 2018 as well, had he been draft eligible.

Right on point Murf. There are only about 10 to 15 colleges that don't feel the pain every draft cycle. I am a Big Ten fan and if Love had been at Ohio State or any top program, he wouldn't have had any drop-off. With their WR talent and great offense in general he would have been top 5 in the draft.

Bottom line is half of the top QBs drafted high don't pan out whether they were overrated or just got picked by a bad organization. It's a crapshoot and the players have about a 4-year window to succeed or they give up on you. We got Love, its his 4th year, and I think he will surprise us if we can get him more weapons starting with an actual good TE position room. That is just an empty room at this point that could turn into such a weapon for GB. It will be critical that he has better weapons around him and that he can stay upright due to strong O-line play.

Oh, I agree, murf. Most QBs would have been forced into bad decisions under that kind of duress.

Andy Herman did a fantastic job explaining his 2018 & 2019 tape. Right here on CHTV. It was phenomenal.

It’s not that I don’t acknowledge his 2019 miscues. I’ve seen all of it. But, I do recognize the good qualities that Gutekunst & LaFleur decided to trade up for, to develop Jordan Love into our next QB1.

I also think he will fare well, but it might not show up in the win-loss column. Looking back Rodgers first year was 6-10, but we all saw his abilities and potential.

I understand the HC reference as I am a Wisconsin alum who watched Gary Anderson screw up the Badgers before he did the same to Oregon State and then Jordan Love at Utah State.

I am not so sure about three years in LaFleur's system. I think we may see a very different offense this year that may be the true LeFleur system and not the Rodgers led version of the McCarthy/LaFleur offense that Love learned the last three years. I hope Love/LaFleur rediscover the center of the field and give Love more opportunities for success in the passing game.

With today's Rules, he would have entered the transfer portal and followed Yost, or moved to a Pac-12 team as a starter.

that's a great observation. he's been in this system for 3 years. he has continuity along with a golden arm.

the wild card is whether MLF is actually up to the task and that his coaching is quality. should be apparent in the 1st four games.

It seems Rodgers was much more of a mentoring teammate for Love...than Favre was for Rodgers.

The same way Rodgers did while learning from Favre. It will interesting to see how Love does. It’s an exciting year, maybe not for the playoffs this year, but for the future. Also, What did you think of Bak’s comments about this team not going to be very good. They should trade him. He’s too much into Rodgers and the ol regime.

Very much in agreement about no need for a veteran back-up!

"I’ve always felt AR did this to a fault, refusing to give his WRs the opportunity to win contested catch situations- which AR avoided far more often than not."

Yup. 100%. When he stopped throwing over the middle of the field around 2015/2016, and started throwing screen passes and extreme short crossing routes like lasers at targets' feet, I started calling this out.

Limiting turnovers is a big factor in upping win rate, no doubt, but the level to which Rodgers took it was extreme and I definitely believe the lost opportunities from playing it safe outweighed the risk of turnovers being prevented.

A great way to look at it- (outside of this past season) it's pretty standard that the two QBs in the superbowl have roughly double (or even tripple!) Rodgers' INT count on the season.

If it's all about winning the Lombardi, having an other-worldly TD to INT doesn't seem to have helped Rodgers and the Packers over the years. 2010 Superbowl year, Rodgers had 11 INT's- 3rd highest total of his career, and that number is roughly double what he generally tallies in every season since then.

It's impressive, but it doesn't look like it has helped us win trophies.

Yeah Green. I like Bahk and he has been a great Packer, but this is a business decision. Bahk is older and had year and a half knee issues. He is still worth a lot in the form of draft compensation. Maybe a first. We should move him while he is healthy. He would draw a ton of interest if we made him available.

We have had such great luck drafting O-linemen with later picks, I am confident that will continue. And its not like the O-line room is empty anyway. I expect Rhyan and the Penn State OT to contribute this year. That would be a bonus, almost like extra picks this year.

I normally wouldn’t like to choose a TE early but a top 3 TE in this draft class that can block would help the Oline play and receiving.

You can almost never go wrong taking an OT high every draft, however unless Bachtiari is going to another team in 2023 this for sure is not the year to draft an OL earlier than #4 (or thereabout). Regardless of trade compensation (draft picks) the team as you know need several very good WR's, and several good TE's. Just no way to get around it! There is a lot of ways to slice and dice on how these skilled players are obtained, but they are desperately needed. Presently, the Packers are set pretty well at OL, IMHO!

Give me some of that cheese!!!

Obviously we will all be watching Love, but my focus will be on LaFleur. If he rolls out the insipid O design that we saw last year, then the O line and Love will be under pressure from the start. If that O wasn’t heavily shaped by Rodgers, then LaFleur doesn’t belong as a head coach. Now we get to see, and if it is that poor, I just hope that it doesn’t drag Love down with it.

I agree completely. Plus Rodgers played terrible both years before Love was drafted. I believe Love is partially responsible for Rodgers playing his tail off his last two MVP years!

ACR was culprit who cost Packers 2020 & 2021 SB appearance. Not GM. I will be here hopefuly to read your posts about who will be guilty for ACR failure with Jets. It will be interesting...

I didn't mind the Love selection, but screamed for the move up for Tee Higgins in the second rd. Guys that score TDs are higher on the ranking than blockers.

I think you are right Dobber & they certainly will be rooting against him. Maybe you have seen my other posts today about a brief conversation I had regarding Jordan Love with an NFC Scout this weekend who said "the expectation within the organization is Jordan Love will be very good, which is why Aaron Rodgers is being traded". That pretty much is a direct quote! I believe & also hope this is accurate and turns out to be true!

There are also other extenuating factors. Rodgers came when there was the QB school and Love didn't. Love had to endure covid and the impact on his development in year 1. He got zero experience his rookie season. Very bad timing and unfortunate!

The Packer's main reason was to get Rodgers ignited, and Love fit the need and had enough talent to justify the move. The justification for the Love selection became an issue when they gave that contract to Rodgers, signaling a near total loss in confidence that the FO originally had for Love, whether real or manufactured, for the drafting of him in the first place.

Again, it is imperative for the 'experts' to have at least 5 QB's as qualified 1st round selections for a draft for excitement’s sake. The proof is the fact that 3 of the 5 never become more than bad starters or over-glorified backups, with a couple, based on bs athleticism, getting a few more chances to start and fail. That list is extremely long.

Love is about to get his chance. Either he becomes what is hoped for, or he becomes another on the list of well-traveled backups, at best.

Nothing written about him pre-draft made him a true 1st round talent, but like many before, a necessary promotion to reach the number of QB's needed to be 1st rd eligible.

I do not want him to fail. I want to see him play and to justify that he was more than a needle used by the FO to stick it to Rodgers, who so far has stuck it to the FO.

The Dallas game showed Rodgers' moxy. If you attended training Camps, you could see his arm and accuracy. Ted wasted the pick on Brohm, no excuses. Flynn, in the 7th, from a National Championship team, showed what it takes to lead.

THIS^^^ I was one of very many who thought Rodgers was going to be a dud. In pre-season when Farve was still the starter Rodgers looked like a bust. All he did was dump the ball off and many of his throws went straight into the ground. I remember thinking "I thought this guy had a cannon for an arm..?"

Not to mention he looked like a complete dork in a football helmet with that skinny ass head of his.....

Van Ness has the size. But not the moves, and must bulk up.
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He is a bull and was double teamed.
Guy is 280 rock solid and ran a 4.5. His 6-2 is
the only reason he's in the second rd.

That shows what he can be 13. The 6 INTs is fabulous as is the 64%. Love has plenty of talent.
Something that doesn't get hyped enough about Rodgers stats, (Even though STR shoves them down our throats everyday), is the abnormally low INT numbers he had every year. Not turning the ball over will be as important as anything else Love does. That will be helped enormously by us drafting the best TE with our first pick after trading back and adding 2 more in this super strong draft for TEs. Then adding 2 WRs and making both position groups strengths in one year.

Being drafted by a good organization is also not talked about enough and that's a big benefit for Love and was for Rodgers too. Being a Hawkeye fan, I still remember when we had the great QB Chuck Long. He was a super college QB playing under one of the greatest offensive minds ever in Hayden Fry. Chuck could complete any pass, was a natural, poised leader, and I would put him up there with Aikman or Marino when they came out of college. He was really talented. He was drafted by the Detroit Lions, who were terrible, and they destroyed him in short order. I always think how different his career would have been if he had been picked by a good team like Dallas , Pittsburg or whoever. It makes a huge difference.

Love has a big advantage starting his career in Green Bay instead of Houston.

I don't know....I have watched Jordan soundly out perform Rodgers in the throws to try and place the football in the basket in the corner of the end zone. LOL!

Josh Allen is fun to watch, but he has ball control problems. He puts the ball on the ground too much and throws it to the other team too much--and at very inopportune times. He wins a lot of games--and will continue to win a lot of games--but he gives games away.

People underrate ARod's pocket presence. When he was younger and more nimble, there wasn't a QB who had a better feel for pass rush, stepping up, or sliding out of the pocket. We lose track of it since he's lost a couple steps, and can't run away from DEs like he used to.