Agreed the Packers should be looking to trade for long term investments. The problem to trade or not to trade was really fumbled in the off-season. Like it or not the Packers went with a soon to be 39 year old QB. After they lost Davante Adams they needed to get some viable weapons. Many fans and others outside Packer land said as much out loud. Besides drafting a couple of draft suspects they added Sammy Watkins. The oft injured Watkins was a huge risk. That’s it. Management told everyone don’t worry. We have what we need. They were WRONG. All you need to see is the last four games. Too late to fix a gaping hole now. Add in a defense loaded with underperforming talent. How many 1st round picks have they used there? On top of that the offensive line is springing leaks despite drafting multiple players over the last few years. As much as it is frustrating this team probably is a .500 or lower team.

I'm not interested in focusing beyond this year. If it's a guy who can help now, and in the future, yes. Otherwise, no.

The Rodgers Era will certainly end, and nobody knows when or how, not even Aaron Rodgers. It could happen this week, later this month, after this season, or later, but it definitely is going to happen.

It’s hard to look at our record, our scoring struggles, and the fact that we’re at mid-season and not wonder if that time is at hand .

One of the writers said that when you look at the box score, it looks like the Packer won. More yards on the ground, fewer turnovers, TOP,

The offense put 17 on the board, which follows weeks of 14, 10, and 22. We’ve gone over 22 twice. And when the offense isn’t scoring, you have to look at the QB,and the first question you have to ask is “is he getting enough protection”? Given that he’s 39 and not real springy in his legs any more, I don’t think so. On several critical plays you could see that he wasn’t getting the time he needed. But you also saw him off target at times, particularly at the end of the game when he had to throw a hard strike downfield.

The biggest thing I’m noticing with Rodgers is that he used to bolt out of the pocket and make a play, but now he’s just not quite quick enough and he’s getting caught. I don’t think that’s going to help.

If the Packers win against the Lions, they’ll be 4-5 and still in the hunt.
If the Packers lose against the Lions, they’ll be 3-6 and IMO, it’ll be time to make some changes. THE change, of course, would be to go with Love. This offense looks sparkless (not sparkles, spark-less). And you’ve got a guy like Jones who is rocking, and some real good pieces. There’s no reason we should be struggling to hit 20 points

Aaron Rodgers is the best Packer QB in my life, and I say that as a guy who watched Bart win MVPs. He’s obviously not the leader Bart was, but who is? I’m not going to hold that against him. Nothing lasts forever but the Earth and Sky, and it’s pretty apparent to me that the post-Rodgers era is just around the corner now. I hope Love has as much success, or more.

Adrian Amos and Aaron Jones are two players who will likely be gone next year. They could trade them. Lowry too for a late round pick

Thesis agreed. They have real talent at WR. Rogers needs to drill with them, overtime. Add another receiver and guess what? He and AR have to get used to each other and we see how long that seems to take.

BG and MM are the problem. MLF is not an offensive genius like we were led to believe. They better pull the trigger on Claypool. They won’t - they are losers. End of story.

I wonder…🤔 if Gute dressed up like an NFL GM today for Halloween??

We definitely do NOT need a receiver - we cannot get the ball out with the Oline the way that it is. If there is an Oline guy that can come in - I would say that that might be a consideration. We probably couldnt afford and the Bears wouldnt have let Roquan come our way but we do need help in the middle. That has been our achilles and them maybe we can tighten up the middle of our D - but it wont matter unless guys like the big LOAFER Gary and Stokes and Douglas and Campbell play like last year not this year . We might stand a chance against the Bears because they have given up their 2 best Dlineman.

Trading for an aging veteran for this team is a complete waste of assets . This is probably one of the strangest rebuilds I have ever seen in my 48 years ok 35 watching the packers.

Let's first be honest this team is probably not as bad as losing 4 in a row , but is not on the verge of going on some playoff run like 2010 0r 2014 or the last three years.

The problem is talent at the wr/te of course but it always has been since 2018 Davante was just an incredible band aid.

Even din the last three years name me one game where they outcoached out schemed out muscled an elite opponent maybe the titans I believe in 2020 in the snow.

Honestly if you gave this team a incredible defensive mind with a physical mentality and adjustment skills and an offensive coordinator with some adjustment skills you might have a darn good team right now.

Instead you have two main coaches who are absolute failures in adjusting , teaching fundamentals , and holding anyone accountable including themselves. They talk about what needs to be done but don't have the capability to do it . I will enjoy the rest of the year because my expectations are realistic I won't watch any more pressers with these coaches and coordinators talking nonsense they can't deliver on .
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MLF digs deep and came up with the flea flicker meanwhile anyone watch the offensive play desings that SF comes up with??? 🤔🤔🤔

Trade - I would Love it. Love has got to go. And the need is Rt. Not WR. The packers must fix the right side of the OL. And they must fix it now. Rodgers shouldn't have had to deal with any of this Crappy Line.
Trade - Yes, because. " In and out". doesn't work on a OL. Even if it's a Guard.
Trade - Yes for a 250 pound TE. Because Lewis, and Davis, are gone after this year. Maybe Tonyan?
Trade - Yes , For an experienced hard hitting Free safety. At least he could tackle!
Trade - Yes, For a Punt Returner. That knows how to use speed.
Trade- Yes, Juedy. If we must.

Every time I read another "let's worry about draft capital" sentiment, I throw up in my mouth a little. Packers management, and it's seems a great deal of Packers fandom, is trapped in the early 2000s when draft and develop could work as a sole team-building strategy. This hasn't been true since the 2011 CBA gutted coaches' ability to actually develop their players. It would have been easier to see how terrible a strategy draft and develop is today if we didn't have the best QB of all time under center masking the mismanagement and ineptitude of Packers' brass for a decade.

The teams that win are the teams that have realized that at best the draft is a crapshoot. And they've treated it as such. The Rams, the Bills, the Chiefs, all understand the landscape. One A-list talent, that costs a fortune and justly mortgages the future, has more impact than any draft pick past the top 10-20, statistically. We lost Davonte Adams and we are literally the Jets of the North. Except that they beat us, so that's a little too generous. We need multiple WRs and o-line help. Gutekunst and Ball should be throwing in their shirts to get the job done. Draft capital is worth close to nothing outside of currency for bilking other idiot GMs out of their quality players. And until Packer fandom accepts that reality instead of blaming Aaron Rodgers for not being God, we're doomed to drown in our sorrows come playoff time or maybe even earlier this year.

I'll never get the almost belligerent defense of Mike Murphy, Russ Ball, Ted Thompson,Gutekunst and the rest of the Personnel staff, from some fans and reporting outlets. At best, they've squandered Aaron Rodgers' talent. Realistically, it was self-serving, convenient negligence, that allowed them to be conservative because they could ride the arm of Rodgers and not have to take any risks that might have cost them their jobs. If we had an owner, they'd have all been sat down and forced to adapt. We'd probably have no 1st or 2nds till 2025 and 5 superbowl rings to show for it. And I get why reporters don't want to speak truth to power in fear of losing sources, but the lack of criticism is galling.

Honestly, why do we, as fans, care about if we're going to be able to compete after Rodgers retires? Is it enough to constantly be the kings of the North so we can say "the Bears still suck"? I'd personally rather be in playoff purgatory for 5 years than rebuild while Rodgers is still playing. Isn't it time we accepted that Packers brass has been allowed to be conservative because no one calls them out on it? We need a new strategy in 1265. It was bad enough to let them squander Rodgers' prime. Do we have to let them squander the end of his career too with all this save-for-the-future, draft-capital-is-everything nonsense?

Hey Gutt why not go out and get Sammy Watkins, or Cobb would fit nicely, two people Rodgers wants to keep the newbies on the bench.
Amos might be a good fit or a guy Named Nieman might be a big boost to the O line.
Sadly not one of these people have done diddly to get this team on the road to the stupor bowl.
3 playoff loses in a row, two at your house and now your not even making the playoffs and your nemisis team is 6-1 with young talent all over the place. This org has gone in the wrong direction and your stuck with a 50 mil a year 39 year old QB.

Start playing the young recievers and defensive players. Sammy Watkins cannot stay healthy, play Toure', Doubs, and Watson. On defense, play Wyatt. He was a 1st round pick, get him in there and see what he does. Can he be any worse than Dean Lowry? Give one of the young safeties a shot. Can they miss any more tackles than Darnell Savage? I've seen enough of some of the "veterans" to know they are not the answer. It's time to move on from the same old players making the same old mistakes.

DJ Moore is the #1 with youth that would be the ideal pick. Packers actually need a #2 WR also NOW and the pick would be Claypool. The other WR's are smaller and less physical in the blocking scheme. Draft picks...whatever it takes 2-#1's...whatever and a #2 and a #4. If you want to compete for a super bowl....that's what we should do. Both WR's are young and in a couple years we can see where they and Doubs and Watson are to fill in or even take the reins. Whoever is under center needs weapons and Jones will be getting old by then....but much love for A.Jones. Thankfully we kept him or we would have zero weapons on offense.

Literally what draft capitol are we giving up. From the last 2 I don’t see giving up a couple proven picks as hurting this team. We also can’t be sellers for the fact no one wants our guys. Unless it’s Jones or Rodgers. Literally we can’t be sellers we have nothing to offer. Pack will do nothing which is expected but acting like we’re giving up the fixture is nuts when we’ve seen the future now on this roster!

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I love the title.

Waiting for Gute to pull a John Hadle type trade for Aaron Rodgers. Forgot what we gave up for that but it was a doozy.

There will be no major changes in either the players nor the coaching staff as MLF had already come out to defend his genius pick of Barry:

"Matt LaFleur wasted no time backing defensive coordinator Joe Barry on Monday even as frustrations mounted among the Green Bay Packers' players on that side of the ball.
He has no plans to make a coaching change.
"Oh, no, absolutely not," LaFleur just hours after the Packers' 27-17 loss to the Buffalo Bills on Sunday night."

Looks like the packers are destined for a top 10 pick so:
NO!

Major Mistakes made by front office:
*Not trading Rodgers when his value and his salary cap hit was highest! This will cost the Packers for years!

*Trading up for Savage
*Trading up for Burks
*Trading up for Amari Rodgers
*Trading up for Jordan Love

How many draft picks you gonna waste BG???????

*Not getting a dynamic return man when the Packers revamped Special Teams

*Counting on the always injured Sammy Watkins and Randall Cobb to fix the WR room?!

Mistakes by HC:

*Hiring freaking Joe Barry as DC?!

*Not benching Darnell “no tackle” Savage

*Hiring Mannenga and Drayton as Special Teams coaches

*Not taking control of YOUR OFFENSE & basically bowing down to Rodgers

*Not running the offense through Jones & Dillon before it was too late

This team is a disgrace and it starts with Murphy, Gutekunst and MLF. This trio is running the Packers into the ground and doormats for the next decade!

That is all, I’m done……

Bad news from Minnesota.

"MINNEAPOLIS - Former Minnesota Vikings co-defensive coordinator Adam Zimmer has died. He was 38 years old."

Trade Dillon and Savage.

But wait; there is more BAD trade ups from Gutey.
Two 2nd rounders to Vikings for Watson!!!!!

GUTEY does NOT belong in the GM’s seat….PERIOD!

Ok, now that is all…

CW and a few other posters hit the nail on the head and I believe Murphy has more say in personnel decisions than he should, particularly anything to do with Aaron Rodgers. From all my observations until very recently I have been very pleased & supportive of Gutey.

I toed the line this past offseason making it extremely clear it was time to trade AR while at the top of his game fleecing Denver of all those draft choices and young players like Fant. The Packers already had a first round draft choice in Jordan Love on the team and all this 22-year old requires is game experience. The Packers already had a lot of young talent on the team and had extra draft choices in the 2021 draft because of Adams. It made zero sense keeping a 39 year old QB with a huge cap hit when the team was built more for an up and coming team over the next several years. I once again was extremely against drafting Christian Watson giving up two very valuable 2nd round draft choices for a very raw talent. I wanted two WR's in round two, or at the very least one WR and another Edge rusher which the team needs badly. If AR had been traded a young raw talent like Watson made more sense.

On all the above accounts these positions were not well received by most here at CCTV. Since day 1, I have been against the Packers playing the veteran WR's like Watkins and Cobb excessively since before the season started. These guys and Lazard (to a lesser extent) are not the future for this young team. They are only stop gap WR's and the Packers needed and still need to let their young talented WR's get experience and by doing so the 2nd half of the year they would blossom. The Bachtiari situation needs to be resolved after this year.

LH in a post touched on a number of points I had made earlier this season is that Rodgers at 39-years old no longer bolts from the pocket when the pocket collapses. Jordan Love has young legs and can move better than the 39-year old Rodgers. With the OL being a sieve this is a bad combination with Rodgers no longer willing/able to run, and the defenses are taking advantage of it. The front office has made a series of very bad recent personnel decisions leading up to this point in time but trading for a WR giving up draft selections will only compound their mistakes. Let Doubs, Toure, Amari, and Watson play and get experience. It is time for the Jordan Love era to begin.

The Vikings just traded for TJ Hockensen. Goodnight Gute!!!

FIRE GUTE NOW...!!!!!!!!!! That should be the big news of the day... The Vikings are making all the right moves this season to compete for the Super Bowl. Kudos to them and their new GM. Packers MGT has failed time for changes at the top.

Lions trade Hockenson the tight end to the Vikings...strange to trade a starter within the division...

Packers will be cautious right into many years of mediocrity....there is a time to be cautious and a time to take action...but hey, the stands and title town area is packed all of the season and even the off season so whats to worry..

Claypool to da Bears..

Looks to me the packers gave up on the season. So it's better to atleast trade Bakh and/or Rodgers to any of the teams that are willing to pay or take on the contract. It'll be good for both the parties ie., packers and Rodgers. But not sure if any team would be interested to take that big of a contract.

Never forget cap considerations. While the Packers do have some cap room they will again have a tight fit next season even with the cap expected to go up. It can be summarized in the idea of 'all in". They went all in and now they are left out.
The Packers are $2.3 million over the cap for the 2023 season. So it's deja vu all over again this off season. So taking on a big veteran contract now makes zero sense from a financial standpoint.
If Rodgers were to retire this off season--according to Over The Cap--with some maneuvering--they would still have a $15 million cap hit next year and $24 million the next. I suspect they will let some of the free agents go and maybe cut other players. Rodgers contract has, in a crude sense, given the Packers financial constipation. The have a blockage that requires a lot of pain to pass.
So if Gute makes a move it means that the player they sign today means more than the ones that will need to be ejected to keep that contract alive and others.
Bizarrely, if Rodgers STAYS and doesn't retire, the cap hit will be even worse as his guaranteed money is through the roof.
I think after the season the Big 4, Murphy, Gute, Ball and Matt LaFleur all need to be held accountable for the decisions made to keep Rodgers. I'm not saying fire everybody, I think that is stupid, but ONE of these folks decided to cave into Rodgers demands and now it could propel the team into a black hole of mediocrity at best for an extended time.

Sign a fullback

Draft capital? Screw that. It’s a crap shoot. Bears get claypool for a 2nd round pick. Curious to know how greenbay fumbled on that one.
I think our o’ line is fine. You can’t protect a guy who hold onto the ball entirely too long.

Well Cheeseheads. It's painfully obvious that the 3 stooges; Murph the Surf, LaFraud and Gutman got the message in England and told you to stick that f'in cheese up your ass. I've been trying to tell you that for the last 3 yrs. Those clowns have been riding the AR / DA train. Now that the train crashed they are exposing themselves for the incompetent clowns they are.

Well this season is a complete waste. I eagerly await to see what defensive player we use our Top 10 pick with in April

Bears overpaid...he will help but not that much, maybe next year but at least the Bears are trying to improve things for Fields...overpaid though...

To fire or not too fire?....yup fire him. That was easy