No offense to Rex or any of the other CHTV writers here who provide us great FREE content each and every day.

But DAMN, the articles are depressing lately. For all of you that were born around 1985 or later, THIS is really starting to feel like the 70's and 80's again. So for those of you who were in diapers for The Majik Man, grew up with Favre, and graduated college with Rodgers have no clue

Fast-forward to 2018 when Mark Murphy decided it was best to CHANGE the way the Green Bay Packers did things at 1265 Lombardi. Yup, DAMN all that success, lets change shit up. Well Mark, some things just don't need fixing and making yourself the last stop is one of them. It just DIDN'T need fixing.

Has Love sucked the last 3 weeks? Absolutely. Has the O-Line been a dumpster fire? Hell yeah. Has this Packers team actually REGRESSED since week 2? I sure think so.

So who's to blame? The GM who's really had his hands tired since 2018 when he was hired? Are ALL these players THAT BAD who Gute has drafted the last 5 years or so? IMO that answer is NO. Is he perfect? No, but I don't think he's done a horrible job either, not even close.

"The Packers' Offense is a Mess".... Yes it is Rex, and you can blame a lot of that on having the youngest WR and TE Group EVER in the SB era. You can also point to the many injuries the Packers have had on the O-Line. But that's not the BIGGEST issue...It's Coaching. Period!

I hate losing and I guess I forgot what it felt like not to have much hope. Those of you born around the time I mentioned above have NEVER felt the feeling of no hope. Or at least if they did it was fixed pretty quickly. But I don't have faith in Murphy to do the right thing. The right thing IMO is to give Gutekunst OR any other GM who might replace Gute full control if it came to that. Murphy needs to get out of the way and the GM needs to have final say.

Just like Ted and Ron Wolf had... Just like it was when EVERY season was filled with hope.

The offense has two salient issues. The OL and the extraordinary statistics in what Love has been doing as a passer in his first few games. That’s been reviewed many times. Let’s just say if you told me that this was the plan for any new starter, I’d have laughed at you. Even more so when only one WR (Doubs) has an over 60% catch rate on balls deemed catchable. Let’s instead discuss the OL.

Nobody is going to convince me that we have put the best OL out there. Much as I have come to like Tom, I can’t get behind him at RT, and we are seeing why. Yes, he should be starting but anywhere essentially other than RT. He’s just getting overpowered. Teams have realized that they can simply push him around. Without Bakh he’s probably our best OL but he’s being used in the least advantageous position for him and therefore us.

I actually like Walker’s upside, but it’s clear he’s not ready. He is not just bad in the run game, he’s clueless at times and he’s easier moved than Tom without the elite agility. What on earth is he doing playing on the blind side?

The struggles of Jenkins and Runyon, two players that have regressed having previously played very well and well respectively are, in large part, due to the fact that Myers is between them. I will say that I disagree with the allocation of fault by pff. Others and my viewing ascribe far more issues to Myers. However, even then Myers is rated replacement level. As Andy Herman, an erstwhile defender of Myers said yesterday, he’s never been and isn’t NFL level in performance or effort.

Just watching, I’m consistently struck by how often our Gs are visibly watching our Gs have to worry about what’s happening on both sides and where they need to fill. Instead of applying power they are almost playing interior tackles in space, horizontal and at times vertical. Unless we shore up the middle that puts them on the back foot and gives up the leverage that is their advantage.

The pressures stats in the article tell only part of the story. Bad as they are if you think about what Love has as a pocket, especially for a guy being asked to throw deeper, they underestimate how often that pocket collapses. It’s become rare to see Love with time to the point of being striking. No QB thrives in such circumstances, especially a novice.

The run blocking is dire. Dillon last game managed to overcome that decently against a weaker DL, Jones did the same in game 1, but that’s not going to cut it against better fronts and has not. Yes, the run blocking really did not improve materially versus the Raiders.

All this time we have had a player who consistently protected Rodgers blind side on the bench. Actually, this time last year, before Bakh returned, he was rated as a plus pass blocker and looked to be ascending. He’s been our best run player on the OL for the last two seasons by consensus of rating sources. Now he can’t get on the field? If that’s because he’s not in our coaches future plans, they need to be changed. If Nijman isn’t starting in Denver, it will be criminal after this.

Aside from Nijman, the next two best run players in the pre season on the OL were Jones and Rhyan. Jones liked decent in pass pro, Rhyan seemed to be improving, we’ve refused to blood either. This despite what we’ve seen from Newman and Walker. As the pressures stats indicated, neither are definitely a downgrade in pass pro given how bad it’s become. Both may improve the run blocking, which may actually improve the pass pro in reality.

I’d not start Rhyan, but he would be my next guy up over Newman. I’d move Tom to C and play Jones. Nijman would start on the left. If the result was poor, so be it, but if it’s better then both our run game and likely our passing O improve. Tom and Nijman were both better than Hanson and Newman but we waited ages to prove it. Certainly just repeating is not going to cut it and may well starts to undermine Loves chances to develop.

I’ve never seen a position group so bafflingly and poorly handled as the OL. It is strikingly at odds with supposed objectives, actual results and merits.

They continue to play this way hard to see how the win a game. Maybe SP or defense pulls a trick out of their asses. The offense is STARVING for basic, fundamental coaching on blocking technique. WR as well. Execute precision pass routes. When JL is in trouble, stop & run back towards him. Damn. Fundalmentals!!!
1st rounders or not practice the fundamentals!!
They have their choreographed end zone shit executed perfectly. Damn it. Coach basics!!!!!

I don't know what the Packers have in Love and the receiving group yet, but it is really hard to run any offense when the O-line can't run block and are turnstiles in pass protection. The Packers haven't run the ball well all season due to the O-line opening no holes to run through. Love and the receiving group played well starting the season when Bahk and Jenkins were playing and Tom wasn't hurt and the pass pro looked decent. Since Bahk has been out and Jenkins and Tom have been playing hurt or not at all, the O-line has been a sieve in pass pro. As the article pointed out, the O-line has allowed 30 pressures (not to mention several sacks) in the past two games, 18 of them through the tackles.

The Packers have serious problems at the tackle spot and no Marcedes Lewis to help cover them up. The IOL is not much better. I don't know if the answers are on the roster or if Gute needs to be looking elsewhere, but this offense won't go anywhere without significant improvement from the O-line.

The head coach seems to be at a loss as to how to turn the team around. The "promote from within" OC is, right now, the second worst in Packers history. The OL coach was a "promote from within" mistake. As noted, Love started hot and has since become a liability. The run game coordinator also handles the DL. Doesn't that seem somewhat unusual? It seems the rest of the league has cracked LaFleur's offense of "illusion of complexity". And, as usual, there is no answer or adjustments once that becomes apparent. What to do? Give this entire staff the rest of the season to turn this around. If they can't, wholesale change.

The Offense is a Mess. Nobody will disagree with that.
But if the numbers and players were so good in prior
Years. Why worry about it.
This was Jordan Loves year.- Well how do you do!
You can’t expect MLF to address all the problems.
Unless you start with QB 1. Love STINKS.
Don’t get my uniform dirty about says it all.
It’s his job to protect the ball.
Regardless how bad the OL plays.
We knew this was a learning process.
So take what you learned and fix it.
Love is dangerous.
Making changes anywhere could wreck this team.
When we all knew; Love had to be like Rodgers.
The warning signs are there. The odds makers called it.
So just let it play out now. Give Gutey his draft day.
And let's see what happens after the “Love" wears off.
If you think we're frustrated. Think of the players.

Yes, let's keep calling improvement failure, because that satisfies the narrative. I won't be bothering the echo chamber on this any more today.

Scored more points through 5 games than last year. IMO, we'll score more than the 370 we scored last year. That's improvement to me......you guys go ahead and call it failure.

It’s the goddammed offensive line. Ad nauseam, ad infinitum.

The announcers during the Raiders game commented the Raiders were clogging up the middle of the field and taking away the intermediate routes. It’s like they were daring Love to throw deep. The problem was the line couldn’t block long enough and Love isn’t accurate enough. Until something changes that’s the formula to stop the Packers offense.

I thought Rich Gannon had an interesting analysis of Jordan Love's struggles in that it is " Love's lack of live-game experience is a major factor in his development. " The speed of the game is too fast for Love. It doesn't matter that Love had three years of study behind Rodgers. What he needed was live-game experience. . . which is now, finally, obviously, what he is getting. In spades.

Like a beginning driver who sees very little while driving and concentrates mostly on just hanging on to the wheel and steering straight, let alone trying to anticipate danger from other cars and pedestrians and where is he going and how to get there. Turn left here, turn right there? Speed and intensity of live-game action is completely different from practice play, obviously. And add to that the absolutely responsibility Love has as the starting quarterback. It's all him, now. There is no turning back.

Love needs this first season as the starting quarterback. There's no way out of it. It's do or die. And I agree, it could be die. But let's find out. We have to suffer with him. There's no way out of it. Besides, five games in ( his first real season ), it's too early to make the decision to move on from him. And let's add it may well be the same for his mostly new receivers and the rest of the mostly new offense. . . including Matt LaFleur who has to figure out what the hell has he got with all the newbies and, especially, with Love. Wanna be a head coach, huh? Well, you got it, baby, in spades!

Lets hope Love can catch up to his 2020 classmates, Burrow, Hurts, Herbert and Tua....got a ways to go but one can only hope...for the sake of the franchise...

If we are to talk just tactically about the offense, consider this analogy - In the Navy, the cardinal rule of any commanding officer is to NEVER admit that you are confused and don't know what to do next! So, in this vein, let's excuse Steno because he's not really a qualified OC - but MLF is.

So, what does MLF say in the media? He's baffled and has to try different things. Even though football is not true war, it has eerie similarities. A HC should NEVER say he has no answers, even if he doesn't. It is the surest and quickest way to lose the room and the fragile confidence of young players.

Again, this is a huge leadership issue that MLF must solve if he wants to stay a coach in the NFL.

Analytics BS aside, the team stunk last year and stinks this year regardless of whether they score 1.0 points when the moon is in the 7th house or average.002 more yards when Jupiter aligns with Mars.

Time to trade Jaire, Campbell, Clark, Dillon, Savage, Jones, Deguara, and begin the rebuild. So you win 2 games, tank and get a QB whose ceiling is higher than Aaron Rodgers at 40, which seems to be the bar you’re setting for Love.

Listening to JT O'Sullivan's analysis, I hear consistent themes that reflect poor coaching, lack of attention to detail, and questionable play calls. There's plenty of blame to go around. It's worth 30 minutes of your time:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9fzrd3EO-k

It's nice to go through stats but stats are for losers. The fact is Lafleur is a very bad offensive coach and play caller. 3 opening days in a row at Lambeau Field Lafleur has no game plan for the opponent. This year we looked good against the Bears. The fact is The Packers have the most vanilla bad offensive in the NFL and Matt Lafleur's play calling is just as bad. Putting blame on Love and the players is bad. The Packers need a coaching staff that is good as the talent on the team. 3 games in a row one back spread offense of other teams laugh at how easy it is to defend the Packers lame predictable horrendously bad offensive scheme. Jordan Love is a Super Star he needs an offensive coach to Let Him Shine. Clements saved Love by coaching him up Lafleur had no skills to coach up Love. The Packers are loaded on offense and we refuse to use plays other teams in the NFL use to get backs and receivers alone in open spaces. Our Run blocking schemes are pathetic. The Packers Get out coached on offense and defense every single game. When was the last time Lafleur had better plays or a better game plan than the opposing team never. Using 28 without bringing in 31 and 27 earlier the last three loses just terrible. All three running backs all the wide receivers and tightends the other team shouldn't know what we are doing on any play. Lafleur's bad offense and play calling have you reading off stats that don't mean anything. Put this Packers offense with a Solid Smart Coach and watch the Stats get Extremely Better. It's a coaching problem in Green Bay not a talent problem. Good coaching has the offensive line playing and looking better.

We are the youngest team because of many regrettable draft picks for many years. Look at our draft history, (Please do). I will not pick it apart, but that is why we are so young. We have so many misses, so much of continually draft at same positions because we never did it correctly in years prior. (pretty sure most people think we are are a passing league vs running league) Really tired of this young stuff, we didn't accomplish a draft & develop philosophy, look back at our drafts from 2017 and beyond.......Our D is not that young, look at the years of experience on average.....we are young because of past draft misses or failure to find FA's to help

Question for everyone…
Why is it Jenkins, Myers, and Runyon are playing so much worse? Could it be that Rodgers is no longer correcting Myers offensive blocking calls?

Bulaga and Tausch talk every week and they have criticized Myers every week.

Is it worth gambling on Tom at C?

Fix the O-line and than take another look at this offense. I think this is starting and ending point of our struggles. I don't think we have an elite offense but they could be, they are average one. Leaky O-line is no time for QB. No time for QB makes the D to prepare for short passes. Add to it poor run blocking and we are left with no tools. I know Love is better than his last games, in week 1 and 2 I saw a confident guy making steady progress. In weeks 3-5 I saw a man fighting for his life. How do you want to judge someone in such conditions?

Fix the O-line even through the market. In general I am against acquisitions during the season for non-contender team but I feel like O-line needs one solid element for the rest to work properly and it will influence the whole team. Putting this unit on the field as it is means only wasting the time of this young team.

Interesting Tom who is the media darling as well as with a lot of Packer fans has given up the most pressures as of late. Is Tom really as good as everyone thinks he is?

Personally, I think he is more of a back up then a true starter. He does ok at times but then gets his butt handed to him when he faces better DE's and OLB's.

We need to draft at least 2 OL in next years draft and I would honestly say 3 since this o-line is an absolute mess.

let's be honest. The offense went to hell when Aaron Jones went down and the O-line got injured.. Love has no running game and minimal time to throw. It's that simple.