The Lass Word: The Excitement of a New Era

This feels like the beginning of something.

This is a story that older Packer fans will remember and relate to, but I’m hopeful our younger readers will read it as well and take note of its relevance to the coming season.  It is inspired by the news last week of the passing of John Brockington.  Thinking about the popular running back got me reminiscing about a special season I got to enjoy as a young man, and the lessons learned from it. 

We Packer fans were spoiled by the success of the Vince Lombardi dynasty of the 1960’s.  How could you blame us?  Five championships in seven years.  Never been done since and, with the current salary cap limitations, will likely never be done again.  We thought it would never end, that great teams and title contention was our birthright.  Our expectations could not have been higher as each season approached. 

But when Lombardi stepped down as coach following the Super Bowl championship 1967 season, he took the magic with him.  Over the next four years Green Bay finished with records of 6-7-1, 8-6, 6-8, and 4-8-2, missing the playoffs all four seasons.  The Vikings, under the hard scrabble leadership of Bud Grant, had taken over dominance of what was then the Central Division, having won it four years in a row.  At that time the Vikings played outdoors in the savage temperatures of a Minnesota winter.  Grant would not allow heaters on the sideline because he believed it made the players soft. 

It is helpful to understand the difference between NFL football of that era, and the game we watch today.  These days we are attracted to pro football by the incredible skill, precision, speed and pure athletic ability of the athletes.  But back then, the “charm” of the game was its sheer brutality.  The emphasis on player safety was still fifty years in the future.   

Quarterbacks did not drop back to pass all that much because, quite frankly, it was hazardous to their health.  Pass rushers were allowed to clothes line them, rag doll them to the ground, and land on them with the full force of their body weight.  Far from roughing the passer, such tactics were considered solid, fundamental physical football.  Defensive backs were not restricted to contact within five yards of the line of scrimmage.  Thus, receivers were assaulted downfield before, during and after the catch.  Players on the bottom of piles were poked in the eye or kneed in the groin.  You get the idea.  This was basically legalized violence.  And we loved it. 

You won games with power, not finesse.  Therefore, unlike today where quarterbacks are the center of the universe, running back was the glamour position.  This was the age of rugged, physical ball carriers such as Larry Csonka, Marv Hubbard, Franco Harris, Calvin Hill and John Riggins. 

It was into this environment the Packers acquired Brockington in the first round of the 1971 draft.  The Ohio State star was the perfect fit for the era.  I don’t think he ever took a lateral step in his career.  Upon encountering a would-be tackler, the 225 pound bruiser would lower the pads and plow through and over him.  He became the first NFL rookie to rush for over 1,000 yards (keep in mind the season only had fourteen games). 

But it was 1972 that became the special season I remember so well.  After four years of desperately trying to hang on to the remnants of the Lombardi teams, the Packers finally chose to move on.  Phil Bengtson, Lombardi’s defensive coordinator, was finally out as head coach.  Dan Devine, fresh from a highly successful thirteen year run at the University of Missouri, was entering his second season at the helm.  The great Bart Starr, battered and aging, had finally retired to become the quarterback coach.  Only a few of the Lombardi players were still on the roster, such as Hall of Famers Ray Nitschke and Dave Robinson, and they were not even starting anymore. 

Devine was committed to the power running game, and before the season began, Green Bay traded finesse running back Donny Anderson to the St. Louis Cardinals for physical running back MacArthur Lane.  The combination of Brockington and Lane in the backfield promised to be as powerful a threat as there was in the league.  That spring the Packers had two picks in the first round of the draft.  They used the first one on cornerback Willie Buchanon, and the second on quarterback Jerry Tagge.  But the surprise opening day starter under center was Scott Hunter, a sixth round selection the previous year out of Alabama. 

There was excitement in the air all over Packer land.  This was a new beginning.  A fresh start.  A sense of building something great again.  Grumbling fans who had been calling for mass firings of everybody from the weight room coach to the receptionist, united behind the new regime.  Lambeau Field was once more alive with a recharged energy.  The exhilaration was palpable.  And the team responded. 

Hunter threw for 1,252 yards and six touchdowns with nine interceptions that season, modest figures even for that era.  But the decision to emphasize power football worked.  Brockington went over the thousand yard mark again and, together with Lane, rolled up over two thousand with eleven touchdowns.  Hunter ran for five more scores.   

We sensed we had something good going from the outset, but we were sure of it after week three when Green Bay upset the defending Super Bowl champion Dallas Cowboys.  The sweetest moment came in week thirteen when the Packers, trailing the mighty Vikings 7-0 at the half, reeled off 23 unanswered points to dispatch their rivals 23-7 and clinch the division crown.  The Pack finished 10-4 and returned to the post season.  Buchanon was defensive rookie of the year.  Several talented players seemed to be entering their prime.  Guys like defensive backs Ken Ellis and Al Matthews, linebackers Jim Carter and Fred Carr.  We were so euphoric.  The planets were back in their proper alignment.  A new dynasty was at hand.   

In the divisional round, Green Bay played the Washington Redskins, whom they had lost to by five points a few weeks earlier.  Skins coach George Allen loaded the box with eight or nine players, stopping the run and daring Hunter to beat them with the pass, which the team simply wasn't equipped to do.  The Packers’ season ended with a 16-3 loss, but expectations for the future went back to being through the roof.  This was a promising young team that would only get better.  Super Bowls here we come!

You know the story from there.  It would be ten years before the Packers returned to the playoffs.  It would be 23 years before they won another division title.  Brockington had one more year exceeding the thousand yard level, and then would decline.  Lane aged quickly and battled injuries.  Three quarterbacks rotated as starters in 1973, including Hunter, Tagge and Jim Del Gaizo, and none were effective.  Devine bolted for the head coaching job at Notre Dame to avoid being fired.   

As I recall that invigorating season of ‘72, I can’t help but feel there are parallels to this year, and I find myself getting hyped up, much the way I was then.  We have a new starting quarterback, a talented tandem of running backs, promising young receivers, a defense chocked with potential stars, a head coach who seems dialed in to the current style of the game, special teams that are on the rise. 

Must be that adrenaline that comes with a fresh start.  It feels like the beginning of something.  Something new.  Something good.  I suspect Packer fans, young and old, happy and discontented, will rally behind this team, the way we did fifty years ago.  I would like to think I have learned not to get my expectations too high.  To enjoy the victories but not take them for granted.  But if this team gets off to a fast start, I’m sure we will all get carried away, anticipating Super Bowls, and setting ourselves up for another possible broken heart. 

So be it. 

It’s what fans do.  

 

 

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Ken Lass is a former Green Bay television sports anchor and 43 year media veteran, a lifelong Packers fan, and a shareholder.

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ko40489's picture

April 03, 2023 at 06:26 am

While there might be some positive flashes this year, I don't expect much overall. Not being critical, just realistic. It's going to take some time for all the young guys to mature. Even ARod struggled his first year or two. The roster is full of holes. Gutey is responsible for that. But it's going to take more than this season to judge if he can dig out of that hole.

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Coldworld's picture

April 03, 2023 at 08:06 am

Agree with your expectations, but not with the cause of the state of the roster. That’s primarily due to the cap borrowed against now in past years to keep the roster we had together till last year.

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Johnblood27's picture

April 03, 2023 at 11:26 am

...which was an effect of TT being asleep at the wheel for a few years before Gutey took over and the roster depletion that took place necessitating the FA binge Gutey was forced to rely upon to keep the team competitive over the tail end of AR's tenure.

The roster juggling and cap crap is a direct result of TT losing it and not having appropriate oversight from the Team President Mark Murphy. By the time Murphy realized that something was amiss, the roster horse was already out of the barn and Murphys "solution" of everything going through him has resulted in the shitshow you see today.

Mark Murphy lies at the top of the blame pile for everything since TT's health deterioration and Murphy's lack of oversight when needed.

...but, I do like sledding and tubing...

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ko40489's picture

April 03, 2023 at 12:32 pm

Good point on Murphy. No question his priorities haven't been focused on oversight of the team. But Gutey has been GM for 5 years. He can't keep playing the blame game. By now, it's "his team." I just don't see that he's very strategic in building a roster. If you want to go "all in" to try to win the Super Bowl, then you don't let a key piece like Davante Adams walk. If you want to build for the future, then he should have traded Rodgers to Denver last year (who gave 2 firsts, 2 seconds and a fourth for Russell Wilson). But he' s not fully committed to either approach--and look where it got us last year. At least a new era will provide some clarity and eliminate the excuses. I just hope we're not having this same discussion and same results after the next 5 years.

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Johnblood27's picture

April 04, 2023 at 07:33 am

He had no say in Adams walking.

He obviously just wanted OUT of GB. The Packers reportedly offered him MORE MONEY, but he chose to move on. That decision seems more an indictment of AR than Gutey. Adams chose his buddy Carr over AR and now he doesn't even have Carr!

...and still Adams wanted OUT!

I am on board 100% on the "should have dumped AR on Denver last year" bandwagon. In fact I do believe I was one of the few lead dogs to pull that sleigh throughout last off-season. Now everybody seems to have been there along side GreenGold and I in advocating for Rodgers to go. Ha Ha Ha. nice revisionist history kids!

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Leatherhead's picture

April 03, 2023 at 11:26 am

I expect that we're going to compete for the division title. I think most of our starters, and key backups, return from last year. We have the entire offensive line back. We have the best defense in the division. And we have the only coach in the division who has actually ever won a playoff game.

I don't agree with the "roster full of holes". We dress 45, including the three specialists. Of the 21 offensive players we dress, at least 16 of them are already on the roster. Of the 21 defensive players we dress, about the same.

We need: Backup QB, WR, TE, OL on offense. S, Edge, on defense. This is nothing that can't be rectified by the draft, especially if we get some help by trading Rodgers. Heck,if we traded Rodgers AFTER the draft for Ruckert and Wilson, that'd knock two needs off the list and we'd be down to 4 guys that we need to add.

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Savage57's picture

April 03, 2023 at 06:29 am

Back to the future. Kind of.

What's different this time around is back in 1972 you were limited to talking about the Packers at work, or at school, or at the local tavern. And because you had to have funds immediately available to cover whatever checks your mouth wrote, people were more realistic and restrained in their commentary about the Packers. We griped and we hoped, just like we will in all the seasons to come, but there was a lot more tempering of the certainty of one's opinions, lest you get your ass kicked because of them.

2023? Not so much, as a perusal of the comments section on any sports blog will attest.

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PatrickGB's picture

April 03, 2023 at 06:36 am

Great article Ken. Thanks for going to the past to help us appreciate the future.
Nobody likes to be taken out of their “comfort zone”. I sure don’t. Yet there have been times (in my personal and professional life) when that happened that I would not ever change. I thought that I was too old to appreciate change. But, let the show begin!!!

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NickPerry's picture

April 03, 2023 at 06:40 am

Ken nailed it, there IS a feeling of a fresh start and a new era of Packers football coming our way. I felt it when Brett Favre retired and Rodgers took over, and I feel it again this season as Jordon Love hopefully keeps the success going.

I've referenced that Packers/Vikings game a few times last week when remembering John Brockington. As a young Packers fan I was totally convinced that bumper sticker Dad put in the rear window of our Buick, "The Pack is Back", good times were ahead. 1973 didn't quite go as planned and by 1974 Dan Devine TOTALLY crippled the teams future by trading for John Hadl with Devine bolting at the end of the year...UGH!!! Talk about NO HOPE!

BUT, the 2023 Packers are different. I have good feelings about Jordon Love and the rest of this team. SB feelings? Nope, but with some extra picks this year and maybe next by trading Rodgers plus their own, I have faith in Gute to put the proper pieces in place.

Yup, that's EXCITMENT in the air!!

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PeteK's picture

April 03, 2023 at 08:08 am

Yes, all drafts are important, but this year because of cap restrictions and a semi rebuild, it is imperative. Am I asking too much for a very good TE and a good DE.

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RCPackerFan's picture

April 03, 2023 at 08:30 am

IF we come away from the trade with the Jets 2 2nd round picks, I hope we have 4 picks in the first 2 rounds. And I hope we can come away with a TE, WR, DL, Edge. If we can come away with those 4 positions in the first 2 rounds, I will be really happy.

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greengold's picture

April 03, 2023 at 09:02 am

Nope! This could be the year, one helluva year, Pete, if all goes according to my plan.

LOL.

13 OT Paris Johnson Jr.
15 WR Quentin Johnston
42 TE Dalton Kincaid
43 EDGE Isaiah Foskey
45 CB Kelee Ringo
78 S JL Skinner
116 OT Warren McClendon Jr.
149 DT Moro Ojomo
170 OT John Ojukwu
232 TE Mason Fairchild
235 EDGE Antonio Moultrie
242 QB Aidan O’Connell
256 DT Desjuan Johnson

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NickPerry's picture

April 03, 2023 at 10:47 am

Not at all Pete... AND a WR possibly...

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RCPackerFan's picture

April 03, 2023 at 07:09 am

"Must be that adrenaline that comes with a fresh start. It feels like the beginning of something. Something new. Something good. I suspect Packer fans, young and old, happy and discontented, will rally behind this team, the way we did fifty years ago. I would like to think I have learned not to get my expectations too high. To enjoy the victories but not take them for granted. But if this team gets off to a fast start, I’m sure we will all get carried away, anticipating Super Bowls, and setting ourselves up for another possible broken heart."

This is a new start. There are still so many unknowns right now. None of us know what our future will hold. Will we go on a championship run like the 60's. Are we going to continue our past 30 years of great QB play and have at least 1 more championship? Will this be the end of the last 30 years of entertaining football, with a lot of winning and few losing seasons? We just don't know what will happen.

None of us know what Jordan Love is capable of. None of us know what he can and can't do. None of us know if he will be an utterly disappointment or the next Rodgers (great QB taking over for a HOF QB). We just don't know what our future holds. But our future is at our present and we are going through this big change together.

To all the fans that are expecting Love to take us to the Super Bowl, you might want to take a big step back. Take a breath. Lets see him win 1 game first. To all the fans that think he will be a complete bust. Again, take a step back and allow him to play 1 game as the main starter.
Basically we need to go in this with no expectations. We need to be a bit more realistic and patient. We can have hopes and we can have wishes, but we have to be realistic and patient!

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PatrickGB's picture

April 03, 2023 at 07:22 am

“Realistic and patient “. Yep! So true. Spot on, Mr. RC. I don’t think that many fans expect Love to take us to the Super Bowl. Quite the opposite. Yet in a few years I think that we might be a contender again.

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RCPackerFan's picture

April 03, 2023 at 08:07 am

I have seen many talks about how much better we would be without Rodgers and with Love. Those are the ones that I'm referring to.

I'm not saying we won't be competitive this year. If we add a couple of more offensive weapons, and add a couple of front 7 on the defense, I think we could be very competitive. We have an underrated team IMO. Last year there were a lot of injury issues on offense. And on defense they started to play better down the stretch. We have a lot of young guys that got a lot of playing time last year that should hopefully take a step next year.

Something else to consider is Rodgers did not play at his normal level last year. If Love plays at that level we should be competitive. If he plays better then the level Rodgers played at, we should be looking at possible playoffs. I'm not putting those expectations on Love. But just saying that we very well could be a lot closer then some think as well.

Again though, we have to see how Love does from week 1 through week 18.

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Coldworld's picture

April 03, 2023 at 08:51 am

Better long term moving on now does not require belief that Love will be better than Rodgers this year or perhaps even next year, if Rodgers is still playing. That would parallel Favre. Love is, at best, a couple of years from being an established starter. At worst he’s merely a step along the road.

I see a lot of the “Love must win”/“will if he’s any good” coming from those who would have stayed with Rodgers. Bitterness more than true belief as I see it, or maybe a coping mechanism.

True there are one or two who really believe in Love, but they are merely expressing optimism based on personal assessments, not knowledge. I know, I was one in the equivalent camp when Rodgers was still a back up, and he still surprised me (and pretty much all of us back then). This time it’s more about a road ended not a new one forcing its closure.

The question now is not merely Love (or really primarily about him), but how the roster as a whole develops around him as we gradually shed the cap hangover and how effectively the coaches use those players, which is a fascinating question in itself.

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T7Steve's picture

April 03, 2023 at 09:45 am

How about being satisfied with a team that doesn't get embarrassed and manhandled the opening game of the season? A team that's ready to play, win or lose? That would show how this team has progressed.

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RCPackerFan's picture

April 03, 2023 at 10:20 am

There is expressing optimism towards Love and then there is some that truly think he is going to be the next Mahommes or whoever. Just need to tame expectations a bit.
And when I refer to those people, its not just referring to this site. Its on twitter and other places.

The Packers have to build around Love. They have to add as much talent as possible. Its not a choice its a requirement. They have to improve the talent around him, to allow him to be as successful as possible.

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fthisJack's picture

April 03, 2023 at 09:49 am

I like your optimism. I am not quite there yet seeing as how the other teams in the North will be improved...especially the Lions.
It all depends on how Love develops and if he gets some additional weapons from the draft. If he has to put up 30 some points a game because Joe Barry's defense is sub par again, it will be a long season.

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jurp's picture

April 03, 2023 at 07:36 am

This isn't just about Jordan Love. As Coldworld posted yesterday, there are lots of questions about Scooter now that he is/will be out of the shadow of Rodgers. They all boil down to this : is Scooter actually a competent head coach?

Love could play lights-out and we could still lose multiple games due to poor coaching, after which I would hope that we make a change. At which point we'll get excited about the future again.

Anyway, yes, things do feel more exciting in Packerland!

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RCPackerFan's picture

April 03, 2023 at 07:58 am

I mean we are coming off of 30 years of HOF QB play. This is about the QB and this is about Love.

This doesn't meant that Love has to be a HOF caliber QB this year. His career won't be determined by what happens this year. But he needs to learn how to play as the guy. He needs to learn how to win. He needs to learn and continue to develop into the best QB he can be. We don't know what level of QB he will be though. Will he be a great one, a good one, an average one, a bad one? We just don't know.

The part I like about LaFleur is he has a scheme that can help a young QB. He has a scheme that will allow Love to use his athleticism.

BTW what does Scooter mean?
I don't really get the need for coming up with nicknames for players/coaches.

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jurp's picture

April 03, 2023 at 08:59 am

I think LaFleur may be as talented of a head coach as the coach immediately before Lombardi. I may of course be very, very wrong, but I personally no longer have any faith in him - too many "deer in the headlight" sideline moments for me. He also reminds me of Scooter from The Muppet Show for some reason. I'm not the only one who uses nicknames for him.

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RCPackerFan's picture

April 03, 2023 at 09:52 am

I have faith in him. But there are some concerns I have. First is some of the decisions he has been apart of. First was the OL decisions in the playoff losses. Now i don't know who made the decision to not go with Yosh, but it was the wrong one, clearly. I also don't like the fact that he has chosen to stay with Barry. Now, I'm going to give him a chance, but I don't like that he stuck with him, when this is the perfect year to make the transition.

Love is entering his first year. The expectation is not the Super Bowl this year. (even though I think it is a possibility). But why not make the play for next year or the year after. And that is why getting a new DC this year would be a perfect set up for next year.

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jurp's picture

April 03, 2023 at 01:37 pm

We're pretty much completely in agreement, although I can't answer for my reaction if I see Scooter trying to take off for the heavens from the sidelines again this year. For Pete's sake, Matt, stop flapping your arms like a twit!

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jurp's picture

April 03, 2023 at 09:00 am

"The part I like about LaFleur is he has a scheme that can help a young QB. He has a scheme that will allow Love to use his athleticism. "

This is an assumption. I hope to hell it's correct. We'll know for sure in six months or less.

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Coldworld's picture

April 03, 2023 at 09:03 am

If that’s the LaFleur that emerges, I will be ecstatic. If it does though, keeping Rodgers last year will look even more idiotic than it does now.

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RCPackerFan's picture

April 03, 2023 at 09:55 am

Its not an assumption. Its watching the style that they play. Its built on play action and making plays blend together. Its running an off tackle run, that looks the same as it does when its a bootleg play. There is more deception in the offense which gives the offense the upper hand.

I believe LaFleur will make this offense specific for Love to get the very most out of him.

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T7Steve's picture

April 03, 2023 at 10:23 am

I think LaFleur is a very capable OC. The biggest help this year might be that he has an assistant HC to hold the D accountable and help make adjustments during the games.

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RCPackerFan's picture

April 03, 2023 at 10:54 am

That is an excellent point.

In Rich we trust!

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Coldworld's picture

April 03, 2023 at 09:00 am

No, it really isn’t about Love. It never was. It’s about the road having run out for Rodgers here with our cap, coaching and roster. If Love wasn’t here, someone else would be. You just don’t want to face that.

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RCPackerFan's picture

April 03, 2023 at 10:03 am

we can keep going round and round on this and likely never agree. Which is fine. I'm at peace with it knowing I'm right. ;)

But this is about Love now. Love is the guy. It's all about him. He needs to be the guy, and if he isn't we are going to be looking for the next guy for a long time.

Its why its imperative that they build the team around him. They have to give Love as much talent to succeed as possible. They did it for Rodgers, they need to do it for Love.

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PeteK's picture

April 03, 2023 at 08:14 am

LaFleur's record speaks for its self. It's a team sport.

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RCPackerFan's picture

April 03, 2023 at 08:35 am

Its always funny how Its about the QB when they get the wins, but when its about the losses its always about the HC.

This is a team game!

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TarynsEyes's picture

April 03, 2023 at 09:28 am

Let's do this.

Give the Defense/SPT credit for four wins for each 13 win season.
Split the remaining nine between Rodgers and MLF.

That equates to an 8-9 win season, at best, if one fails to perform their part. Last year a part failed, and the result equaled the theory. The question is which is culpable, and how much culpability should be placed. The majority have spoken, therefore, I offer this.

"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect."
Mark Twain

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RCPackerFan's picture

April 03, 2023 at 10:11 am

Mark Twain was a smart man!

As for giving the QB all the credit for wins, I just go back to the Super Bowl that Russell Wilson was 1 yard away from winning the Super Bowl. Instead of handing it off to Lynch they chose to throw it, which was intercepted and the Patriots won. Instantly after that win, Tom Brady (who was on the sideline when that play won the game), was anointed the GOAT. If Seattle wins that game is Brady still the GOAT?

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TarynsEyes's picture

April 03, 2023 at 11:23 am

Well, one less SB victory for Brady isn't changing his status, right or wrong.

The thing about Brady is he was never the highest paid QB, and can't say that about others, no matter how short a time atop that usually demanded mantel after winning ONE.

It's useless to argue the GOAT, I just find it easier to crown the one who wins the most. A point that can't be denied.

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barutanseijin's picture

April 03, 2023 at 03:26 pm

One less ring for Brady doesn’t make that much of a difference. Brady vs Montana may be a little more heated. Or maybe Mahomes starts to pop up in the conversation a little sooner. One thing for sure: QBs who can’t get to the big game won’t be in any serious conversation about who was best.

Speaking of which, where was Aaron when that happened?

Oh that’s right, sitting at home as usual because he had turned in one of his worst performances in the championship game against the Seahawks.

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fthisJack's picture

April 03, 2023 at 10:20 am

"When you come to a fork in the road....take it." Yogi Berra

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Coldworld's picture

April 03, 2023 at 09:01 am

Yes, but this year it will speak clearly for perhaps the first time.

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Guam's picture

April 03, 2023 at 08:16 am

My thoughts exactly Jurp. This season will be at least as much about the coaching staff (LaFleur and Barry specifically) as it will be about Love. There could be more change in 2024.

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RCPackerFan's picture

April 03, 2023 at 08:27 am

This will for sure be the true test for the coaching staff. This will show us how good they are without a HOF QB at the helm. But this will also be a true test for the GM. He is the one that chose to go down this path 3 years ago. He has to be right with the decision he made or he won't be around much longer. IMO, they all will get a 1 year grace period. If this year is shaky and they have a 4-6 win season. I think the coaches and GM will be safe. However next year their seats are going to be red hot. If they have another bad season, they all will be gone. Which will also be the year they have a new team president from what I have heard.

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Coldworld's picture

April 03, 2023 at 09:10 am

If the coaches he hired and retained fail obviously and he doesn’t install a much more imaginative and multifaceted O, then I see no excuse now that justifies retention, regardless of how well Love executes on O.

LaFleur is the 12th longest tenured Head Coach in the NFL. He’s going into a season without a towering presence whom many believe held him back. If that proves untrue then there’s no grace. He’s had more than enough time as a HC.

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Guam's picture

April 03, 2023 at 09:47 am

I've said before that Gute's tenure and reputation as a GM will turn on the Jordan Love selection. Probably unfairly, but QB selections tend to determine whether a GM succeeds or fails. Due to the timing of the pick (when other choices would have built a better supporting cast for Rodgers); the impact it had on Rodgers and his eventual departure; and the importance of the position to team success, Love's selection likely will define Gute's career in Green Bay. Tough job.

As for the coaching staff, that falls on Murphy, not Gute. And Murphy will soon be gone one way or another.

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RCPackerFan's picture

April 03, 2023 at 10:52 am

Its definitely not an easy job. In a sport where literally everything gets criticized it is not an easy to be the one in charge of those decisions.

Look at how the draft and how it can change a team. 1 wrong pick can change the outlook for a team for years. At the same time 1 great pick can also change the team for years. Imagine how GB for example would have looked the last few years had Gutey drafted Terry McLaurin instead of Jace Sternberger. Obviously its all in hindsight, but had he drafted Terry, our WR position looks entirely different and who knows what changes after that. That is just one domino that could have changed our team pretty significantly for the good.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

April 03, 2023 at 09:22 am

Jurp,
The beautiful thing is should LF show he isn't the coach the Packers need after 2023, the team already has a fantastic coach in waiting right on the team. Rich Bisaccia is only signed (I believe) for the 2023 season. The hope is just like with waiting a year too long to trade Aaron Rodgers that the Packers do not wait a year too long to replace LF....if he isn't the guy. My guess is Rich Bisaccia is gone after 2023. Rich is only 62-years old and has many more years to coach. He would be an excellent choice as head coach if LF is being replaced iMO!

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GregC's picture

April 03, 2023 at 07:15 am

It seems a little ominous to compare this fresh start to the one in the early 70s, considering how that one turned out. I share your enthusiasm, though. I wanted this to happen two years ago--which was probably a year too early, and it's happening now--which is probably a year too late. Aaron Rodgers was great, and we were lucky to have him for all those years, but just like Favre, by the time he left, I could hardly stand the sight of him. I feel like I'm getting my team back. I think the management is much better than it was in the 70s, so there is a chance for sustained success, but we don't really know. To borrow a phrase from our departing quarterback, this season is truly a beautiful mystery.

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Coldworld's picture

April 03, 2023 at 09:15 am

Fresh starts are always unproven. The 70s is as bad as it gets. That’s a possibility, but only one end of the spectrum. Pessimists alm gravitate to the worst case, and they could be right, but the could equally be badly wrong, as many of the same folk were about Rodgers. Change and uncertainty are hard for many, even when it’s totally obviously desperately needed, even more blatantly than in this case.

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greengold's picture

April 03, 2023 at 07:21 am

Those were some days, Ken, and you captured it perfectly.

Excitement for this 2023 season and our immediate future as Packer fans feels different this time.

The puzzle pieces are coming together. It’s not done, but I think there are many here who can actually see it.

Sometimes you’re gifted that one piece you’ve looked everywhere for to finish the job, and it was sitting on the floor, out of sight, right under the table…

Jordan Love might be that piece. Maybe it's LaFleur, finally able to work his own system unencumbered, 100%. Maybe it's a surprise draft pick or two who are absolute perfect fits.

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Coldworld's picture

April 03, 2023 at 09:18 am

Or maybe it’s realizing that a thorough enema for the leadership or coaching staff, maybe both, was indeed badly needed and the real reason why Rodgers left with only one ring. Either way we need to see and progress requires it.

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greengold's picture

April 03, 2023 at 09:52 am

Yeah. So, you're saying that piece gets kicked under the couch, and EURIKA! We find it 10 months later. Didn't wanna go there, with the clear out, but, yeah... LOL

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Coldworld's picture

April 03, 2023 at 07:39 am

The essence of sports is that nothing and no player or coach is forever. The only certainty with any career is that it will end. There were discussions about how long Rodgers would play by the time he turned 30.

It’s very hard to go out on top as a player, unless you preempt it by retiring early like Barry Sanders. A few have managed it with a lot of help from those around them, but for the most part have been past their best nevertheless.

Now the inevitable has happened. It could have been a year earlier and it might have been a year later. Soon, however, someone else was starting for GB at QB inevitably. That of course starts the debate about whether they will be good. That’s fair, but recall that most here were long in the wrong about Rodgers.

Then there’s the inevitable comparisons with the outgoing player in his pomp. That’s the pomp that no longer exists. That’s just like picking all time teams. Fun but impossible to translate to the field now. Once one sees that coming, and there are other factors like cap and surrounding roster age and turnover that factor in, the path is downward. A little worse every year.

At this point Rodgers may win with a loaded roster. We haven’t got that and we aren’t getting one this year. The path that was inevitably down is now replaced by one necessarily of uncertain direction. However, the new path has the potential to climb whereas the old one does not. Where there’s a chance there’s hope. That paradigm shift was coming. It’s now here. We have stepped off the inevitably downward path and in that lies hope and the basis for optimism and excitement over signs of reascension.

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TKWorldWide's picture

April 03, 2023 at 07:53 am

At some point, the question will arise across the NFL as to whether paying your starting QB 40+ million per year is a successful model.
It seems to me that the current plan across the league is to load up on FA with a young rookie deal QB. After that, once the QB gets his mega deal, the team starts to lose its supporting pieces. That’s where good drafting and letting players go a year too soon rather than a year too late comes in. Teams can only commit big $ to a limited # of players, and those players better stay healthy and productive. Only ONE team wins the Lombardi each year. The rest are left to play Monday morning QB and lament all the “idiotic” things about their team’s GM and coaches.

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Coldworld's picture

April 03, 2023 at 08:13 am

I think it arose some time ago. The answer is not absolute, but unless you’ve a stacked roster that’s cheap still, it means that that QB has to be truly elite now, one of the very best every year of that contract if you are to genuinely contend. Teams that have had such an QB don’t tend to have the cap or draft picks to maintain a roster that stacked, at all or for long. After they do win then it’s harder still as players want to be rewarded.

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TKWorldWide's picture

April 03, 2023 at 09:23 am

Yes, agree. Way back when the cap started, I read an article predicting the demise of the “middle class”. It predicted stars getting top $ which meant there had to be bargain $ guys at the bottom of the roster. Pretty much nailed it.
Also, “success” for young players nowadays is the SECOND contract. The rookie deal is based on draft position, but the second one is based on merit. Nothing wrong with that either.

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PeteK's picture

April 03, 2023 at 08:26 am

That's why I respect Brady. He was never near the highest paid player, the left over 8 mill can get a team two very solid starters. Of course, savvy drafting of linemen and players that fit the coaching style certainly helps.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

April 03, 2023 at 07:50 am

Great article Lass! Recall those days like they were yesterday. The Brockington & Lane memories....wow!

I am amazed at the anger shown by some (regarding Aaron Rodgers being traded) and who seemingly cannot move forward & look to the future. Football is a young man's game and the future is now. I am excited the Packers are going to get draft compensation for Rodgers after 18-seasons that will help the team rebuild. The future is very exciting because the Packers have a lot of very good young players already in place throughout the team both on offense and defense. This is not a team without some talent. Sure they have holes throughout the roster but the talent they have is apparent. Jordan Love is not the mystery so many like to keep throwing around simply because they are unhappy Rodgers is being traded. A 1st round QB the team traded up for who is entering year 4. Learning and being mentored by observing AR every day for 3-seasons cannot be measured. I like that both LeFleur & Gutey are young men in their early to mid-40's for consistency & long-term stability.

While the Packers are unlikely to win the division in 2023 I fully expect them to surprise and to be very competitive. While I am expecting the team to win 8 or 9 games in 2023 the biggest success will be seeing Jordan Love evolve, and the offense gel and become a legitimate threat.

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RCPackerFan's picture

April 03, 2023 at 08:21 am

"While the Packers are unlikely to win the division in 2023 I fully expect them to surprise and to be very competitive. While I am expecting the team to win 8 or 9 games in 2023 the biggest success will be seeing Jordan Love evolve, and the offense gel and become a legitimate threat."

Just because its Loves first year as a starter we don't know what he will do, I agree that we can't have a ton of expectations for this year. But are we sold that the Vikings, Bears and Lions are that much better then us even with Love as a first time starter? I don't see any of those teams being far more superior to us. I think the biggest threat is the Lions.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

April 03, 2023 at 08:39 am

RC,
I always enjoy your commentary! However, the big difference between the two of us is I am very optimistic about Jordan Love and his upcoming success. I have researched and watched everything I need to know about JL. Management cannot operate on fear & have to believe in draft & development. They have spent thousands of hours pre-draft researching, and then developing him and observing him in the classroom, and on the field. I have no hesitation about him becoming a successful QB in the NFL, & I strongly believe the Packers feel the same way, otherwise we would not be sitting here waiting for the trade to happen. The only things Jordan Love needs to be successful in 2023 is:
1. Getting 2 or 3 games of experience to get comfortable
2. Staying healthy
3. Playing behind a good OL, his biggest needs are obtaining one of the very best WR's & TE's in the draft, and hopefully another good WR & TE later. He needs skilled players to not only replace departing WR's & TE's, but he needs better talent than these outgoing players. If he doesn't have talent at those skilled positions where receivers can get separation he is going to start forcing throws, which inevitably raises the possibility of interceptions and incompletions.

Where I do agree is there is no question the Lion's are the team to beat in the division.

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RCPackerFan's picture

April 03, 2023 at 09:45 am

I feel like I was more optimistic about Rodgers then I am about Love. But that was 15 years ago and I don't exactly remember how I felt at the time.

I feel like Love is probably ready as he has had a ton of reps as the guy during the season. With Rodgers getting hurt and missing a lot of practice time, Love got a ton of extra reps. But reason for my hesitancy is because we just haven't seen him play. We saw him in 1 4th quarter game against the Eagles who admitted they were playing a prevent style of defense. Regardless of that part of it, he did look very good. He was very in tune with the offense, and made some very good throws. it was by far the best he had looked. Outside of that we really didn't see much of him except for preseason, and that I would say was average. But you have to factor in who he is playing with as well. And that is about all that we have seen of him. I need to see it with my eyes before I fully can make a decision about something.

I especially agree with your number 3. We need to have a great supporting cast around him. He will be the starting QB for the first time and the best way to help him is to give him as much talent around him as possible.
We have the OL and the RB's. We have a good 1-2 WR combo. We have a TE that I think can be effective. But we need an inline TE and a TE that can stretch a defense. Whether that's the same person or a couple of guys, is going to be based on who they draft. We need 2 more TE's. We need probably 2 more WR's as well. We need at least one of those 2 guys to be game changing types. If we could add a dynamic WR to go with Watson, our offense will be very dangerous.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

April 03, 2023 at 01:46 pm

Full agreement!

I am jazzed and looking straight forward vs in the rear view mirror. Will take some bumps and bruises but to be expected. I am hoping that Gutey shocks the hell out of all of us with some amazing moves come draft time injecting some firepower. Make this team to be feared offensively.

Defensively, how long before Stokes and Gary return is going to play a big part in Gutey's decision. We all ready know about our situation at Safety, but knowing when Gary & Stokes will be available will make a huge difference during the draft. Miss a couple of games, or a full half-season? Big difference! Even still strongly believe Gutey needs to be drafting for long-term success vs using valuable picks to fill spots temporarily for guys like Stokes & Gary.

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Coldworld's picture

April 03, 2023 at 08:21 am

After the Favre transition, the inability to accept that time moves on and with it players does not surprise me. That taught a me lot about why some fans are fans, about the extent of attachment, fear of change and how venomous and emotive that could get. Since at least some of the most anti-Rodgers them are still here it’s actually quite predictable and so is their anti Love (or change) stance. Sadly, based upon past patterns, some will go on and on about it for as long as Rodgers is in the League, unless Love wins a Lombardi.

This would have been so much better had it happened last year, not merely for the team, but some fans. Instead it has loomed festeringly in minds.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

April 03, 2023 at 08:49 am

Well said CW!

I suspect AR will have a very successful season in NY with all the moves the Jet's are making to go along with an already talented team. This is going to fuel the fire with those Packer fans who cannot let go. I also see Jordan Love being successful, particularly if the team picks up some talent at WR & TE. I think this discussion about AR & JL is going to continue for several more years until AR finally departs for an extended darkness retreat after the 2024, or 2025 season.

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barutanseijin's picture

April 03, 2023 at 03:36 pm

I think Rodgers will regret postponing retirement. I expect Zach Wilson or whoever their backup is to start the last few games of the season.

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TKWorldWide's picture

April 03, 2023 at 09:26 am

A lot of the post-Lombardi collapse was due to keeping too many aging players losing their effectiveness.

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mrtundra's picture

April 03, 2023 at 08:10 am

I think it is unwise to believe that Jordan Love will take us to the Super Bowl in his first year, as our QB. However, I think Love will do just fine for GBP. All I hope for is that we can sweep our division and especially those division games at Lambeau. Winning at home is something that seems to have been lost, or misplaced, by the Packers. I think that Love and MLF should make winning at Lambeau a priority, again. Yes, it may seem like baby steps, but that is where we are at, right now. I think our toughest competition will come from the Detroit Lions, in the division race. The Lions have beaten the Packers three straight times, now. It's time to right that ship. Righting that ship starts with winning at Lambeau, IMO.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

April 03, 2023 at 08:25 am

Mr T,
Agreed! Though I have been saying for 2-years the Lions are becoming the team to beat in the division. I'd easily trade coaches even if I had to include a draft choice for Campbell. The Lions have been building talent with multiple high draft choices for many years. With Campbell they are poised to enjoy a number of years in the playoffs. It is unfortunate the Lions climb to relevancy coincides with the start of the Jordan Love era, but that will just make it more fun. Once again, the Lion's have two more very high draft choices in round 1. Believe #6 & #18 of the top of my head. I hate talking up a division contender but they are going to be difficult and you just know at least one of those draft choices is likely to be a top defender. With the Packers inability to score against them in both games last year the Packers definitely need more offensive power. This is even more true with all the WR's & TE's leaving the team since those games. The Packers defense held the Lions in check but offensively could not score. Nothing highlights the Packers biggest draft needs more than those two games!

GM's throughout the league look at divisional teams and matchups. Guaranteed, Gutey knows the Lions are the team to beat and he has looked extensively at the two games last year and the inability to score will be very much on his mind in the early rounds of the draft.

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PeteK's picture

April 03, 2023 at 09:00 am

Easily trade coaches. Lion's GM Brad Holmes is the builder of the current team because he had the guts to trade Stafford for a king's ransom in draft picks and a good QB with SB experience. I'll take the cerebral Lafleur.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

April 03, 2023 at 09:05 am

Pete,
This will be the year to see what we really have with LF. I am hopeful with LF, but frankly, I like the fire and intensity Campbell brings vs the more passive & cheerleading style of LF. Though at the end of the day I only care about results.

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Coldworld's picture

April 03, 2023 at 09:25 am

Campbell has out-coached LaFleur by a wide margin thus far. Let’s see if that changes this year. If it doesn’t, then I think it’s going to pretty hard to justify preferring LaFluer. Of course non head to head records also factor heavily. Let’s see how that looks after this year.

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TKWorldWide's picture

April 03, 2023 at 09:33 am

Yes, but gotta admit, winning is a great endorsement of style.

When Dallas was good, stoic Landry was a “steadying influence”. When they declined, he was “failing to motivate”.
When Carolina was dabbing all over the place, they were a “loose, freewheeling bunch, free to be themselves”. When they lost the SB, they “lacked discipline”.

Last night I ate the last piece of cake. When I looked for it today, it was all gone, because…? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?

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Johnblood27's picture

April 03, 2023 at 11:52 am

Give me a Jim-Bob Cooter and Im all in!

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TKWorldWide's picture

April 03, 2023 at 11:58 am

One of the greatest names in sports.
But
Surprised he was allowed to coach north of the Mason-Dixon.

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Handsback's picture

April 03, 2023 at 08:21 am

Ken, thanks for that trip down memory lane. I agree with most have posted that there seems to be a new beginning to Green Bay Packer football.
I'm interested in the draft, but the reality of MLF's offense being on full display this year will settle our questions on how good or bad MLF is as the leader of this team.
I hope to see less cheerleading and more play calling that's innovated and effective.
BTW, I don't think this team is as void of talent as some "experts" would have us believe.
Just MHO

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LambeauPlain's picture

April 03, 2023 at 08:36 am

You of course can compare any Packer season to another. I recall what I anticipated in 1972 and it is very different than my expectations for 2023.

In 1972, Devine still had the shine of a college coach extraordinaire, an Augusta WI native coming home, lots of goodwill remained in his emotional bank account. Hawg Hanner, a former Lombardi D line coach was now the DC of a young, talented D. Brockington was coming off rookie record setting year. Mac Lane was coming to Green Bay. QB was a "?", but the NFL was dominated by the run and defense. After 4 straight years of losing, I felt confident the Packers were going to flip the won/loss numbers. I was on the "Pack is Back" bandwagon.

In 2023, the shine is off the rose. MLF is a nice man, but I question his leadership ability. The 13 win seasons were impressive, but he still does not seem like the man in charge. Barry is a twice failed DC enjoying similar results with a young, talented D in GB. And he is not harnessing the talent like Hanner did. I question his competence. The QB is a "?" too, but Love, a talented player, has 3 years Packers' O. And unlike '72, no uncertainty at QB. O can be good, D is an enigma, surrounded by a shroud, wrapped in a mystery, ST should be good. Bicassia is possible Team Shaman, I suppose. TBD.

My bandwagon for 2023, is "The Pack is Competitive". I wish I felt they were "back". Lots of room for this season to exceed my expectations. Not the excitement of '72 though.

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croatpackfan's picture

April 03, 2023 at 08:44 am

You remember LambeauPlain that proverb "3rd time luck!"

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croatpackfan's picture

April 03, 2023 at 08:42 am

Perfect article at perfect timing, Ken. You got inspiration from that Jordan Love to Aaron Jones video, right?

Month or more earlier I predicted that Packers will be 7-10 to 11-6 team this 2023 season. That relatively large span comes from unpredictability of many factors in playing football. First and the most important one are injuries. They will happen. The question is how many and how much severe they will be. Than some rules changing issue that will need accomodation. How good players will accomodate to the new rules? Will many of young players make that second season jump or they will enter second season slump, Will Packers have a good draft with pieces which they contribute immediately, how much of them and at what positions. Than coaching, how well they will prepare play book and how well they respond to their own players strengths and weakness as well as to opponents. And lot of other things.

In my life I pass through many changes, in business and in private life. Some changes were easier to bear, some were hard to overcome. But new beginnings always brings hope and with will and vision everybody will be on the right path to success. Faith in yourself will allways produce positive result, but you have to avoid to fool yourself. You have to be as much objetive as you can about yourself to achieve success.

For now, Jordan Love shows nothing but faith in himself and he shows that he quickly learns from his mistakes, which he admitts without any excuses. That is the way to be successful. And that should be a main message to all young players to whome he should and would be the leader.

I read a lot of about Packers young players from many sources. Christian Watson took many accolades for his second jhalf of the seasons play. He need to improve himself, no doubt, and there is sources that he is working on himself. Doubs is another player about who you can only get reports from assistent coaches that he stays one or two hours after practice and catch the ball from jug machine, thriving to be better every day.

I believe we will be much more positive about new season if we would have more information about players, what they are doing and at what phase of their improvement they are, But, it is understandable why coaches and FO do not give those informations out.

I have little expectation for this season, but I have hopes. I know that old proverb say that "Hope is fools friend", after all I except that to be fool, just Packers to thrive next season. I will be more that happy with play off spot in this season.

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LeotisHarris's picture

April 03, 2023 at 08:53 am

Thanks, Ken. You described that magical season perfectly. It was such a time of hope, almost as if the game had suddenly gone from black and white to color. That power run game was a beautiful thing to watch, especially sweet against MN.

What I recall most about the playoff loss to Washington was Hunter's pass just off the finger tips of a wide open Dave Davis. I also never understood why they had Hunter consistently roll to his left, then turn, set and throw.

And, I agree with feeling hopeful. No disrespect or ill will toward 12. Just time to move on.

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BirdDogUni's picture

April 03, 2023 at 09:31 am

Ken (My Dad's name was Ken, may he RIP.) In 1972, he had his only undefeated season as a HC. One of the best years of my childhood. '73 really sucked. We moved that summer. Had to sell all the horses. Dad was in summer school, my older brother spent the summer in Vegas (longer story), so I was in a new town. (Hated it. Hated living in town.) I wasn't built for "in town" living.

Seemed I had a fight every day that summer. Most were one on one, some were 3 on 1, and one time was 5 on 1.

My point is: Sometimes change is hard. Sometimes it is harder on some than others.

Looking back, change can be very painful. (My hands hurt that whole summer.) It was a great learning experience though. I learned who I could trust and who I couldn't.

I hope the change from AR12 to Love isn't near as painful, and I don't think it will be. I do hope Love can trust his HC to put him in a position to succeed.

If MaLF steps up, I think Love will surprise some people this year.

L%'inG...

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T7Steve's picture

April 03, 2023 at 01:32 pm

Animals are allot easier to like than people aren't they? I'm not much for cities either. Fun to visit, then get home. Have to keep telling the city dwellers how nice they have it, so they don't think about moving out here.

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Doug_In_Sandpoint's picture

April 03, 2023 at 09:57 am

You guys are pushing my buttons this morning with your calls for patience, highlighting of unknowns, and talk of transitions. I’ve had it with your realistic viewpoints and making sense. This is the Green Bay fricken’ Packers. 19-0. Average 60 points. No points allowed all season. 3rd HOF qb.

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LambeauPlain's picture

April 03, 2023 at 10:11 am

Those are lofty BHAG's, Doug (Big Hairy Azzed Goals).

When they transpire, you will forever be known as Cheesehead Packer Prophet Extraordinaire.

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greengold's picture

April 03, 2023 at 10:29 am

Fuck yeah! That's the way to roll.

AGNFB

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TKWorldWide's picture

April 03, 2023 at 11:41 am

Hells yeah, baby!!

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Swisch's picture

April 03, 2023 at 10:15 am

At age 10, living in a suburb of Philadelphia, this was the first year I really followed the Packers game to game, if only through the highlights on television and what little was in the newspaper of that area.
As I remember it, the highlights included Ken Ellis snagging four interceptions against the Lions; and Ron Widby, as a punter, running a long trick play around end against the Oilers; and most of all, beating the Vikings to clinch the division while containing their elusively whirling quarterback, Fran Tarkenton.
I had a cold or something on the day of the playoff loss to the Redskins, and was really frustrated and sad -- but was also (somewhat like Ken Lass in his fine piece above) excited about the future in the naivete of my youth.
***
The next season, as I remember it, having recently moved to suburban Chicago, the Packers started strong with a win over Joe Namath and the Jets on Monday Night Football (perhaps about the same time Namath had a guest role as himself on one of my favorite shows, The Brady Bunch.)
That fall, in 6th grade, I did an art project of a decoupage with a cutout from a magazine cover of Bart Starr caught from his playing days. My teacher made it more stylish by burning the photo around the edges. (I'm still hoping this masterpiece will turn up one of these days in what is left of the family treasures.)
It was downhill from there for the team, and those were tough days to be a Packers fan. I think Willie Buchanan broke his leg on the same Sunday my dad was planting a small maple tree in our newly-sodded backyard on the reclaimed prairie outside of our aluminum-sided house.
During the 1970s and 1980s, it was season after season of mostly grinding disappointment.
I do think the thrill of the 1972 season helped me to get through -- but what had really captured my imagination and inspiration was the lore of the Lombardi Packers (probably learned through retrospectives on television), which I had missed due to being born in 1962.
I don't know why this legendary team from before my time got a hold of me at such a young age, while not even living in Wisconsin (though visiting relatives on vacations). I had a big poster of Bart Starr, as a player, in my room, even though he was retired, and remember reading a book about the venerable players of the 1960s checked out from the Wheaton public library.
Over the years, even my dad (born and raised in Milwaukee, Holy Redeemer parish, Messmer High School, worked his way through Marquette, son of a city bus driver who had immigrated as a child from the Austro-Hungarian Empire, and was one of the last to serve in the horse cavalry in the American West of the 1920s) was somewhat mystified by my tenacious loyalty to the Packers, especially as he eventually defected to becoming primarily a Bears fan.
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What I realize more and more as I've grown older -- even to the disconcerting stage of reaching age 60 last June -- is that those Green Bay Packers of five championships in seven seasons (and an unmatched three in a row across the playoff era begun in 1932) are indeed a team to be cherished as the apex of NFL lore, and even an integral part of American history.
The esteemed sportswriter, the late Dick Schaap, in the 1980s called the Packers of the 1960s the greatest team of all time in all sports. What he was saying, as I understand it, is that they weren't necessarily the most talented team, not even necessarily the most successful team, but the most superb as individuals working together to reach their common potential.
That's epic. Men from all over the country, of various backgrounds, came together in the obscure outpost of Green Bay on a common mission for excellence that caught the imagination of the nation.
In the Catholic vision of Vince Lombardi, the Packers even wrote a largely overlooked though exceedingly important chapter in the Civil Rights Movement, with the coach going so far against the conventions of the day to support the marriage of one of his black players, Lionel Aldridge, with a white woman.
To Lombardi, they were all men, all equals, all loved by the God who sacrificed for us on Good Friday to bring us to glory of Easter Sunday. They were all flawed men, indeed, but their days with the Packers helped to bring out the best in them, and for many became a defining point in all of their lives.
Herb Adderley would go on to win a Super Bowl as a Cowboy, but famously said in retirement that he would always be a Packer at heart (as enshrined in the hall of fame). He said he loved his own father but didn't think about him as much as he did his former head coach; he thought about Lombardi every day.
What these players did in sacrifice for each other is indeed representative of the best of America, and a timeless lesson for today in any human endeavor.
The tough and gruff Lombardi went so far as to described this dynamic of camaraderie and teamwork among the Packers (somewhat shyly, though unapologetically) with the word "love."
Somehow, even in my childhood -- not appreciating all of this aura, but seemingly sensing something of it -- the true legend of the Lombardi Packers sustained me as a fan through many lean times -- and continues as a model of emulation and encouragement all of these years later.
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Johnblood27's picture

April 03, 2023 at 12:00 pm

Yo Swischer, you should have posted a gale warning in your first sentence...

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Swisch's picture

April 03, 2023 at 01:26 pm

Long-winded, I admit, with occasional gusts of enthusiasm, but I like to think at the least harmless (plus, with short paragraphs, and other efforts of writing style, as readable as I can make it).
At the most, I hope to impart a little background as to what it means to carry the "G," as well as to suggest the transcendent ideals necessary to bring another championship to Titletown.
Also, it's hard for me to resist opportunities to indicate how the Green Bay Packers, and sports in general, are important to society as a whole.
A major theme in the life of Vince Lombardi seems to have been that football relates to life in general, that what makes for success on the field of sports also makes for success in other fields of endeavor.
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At a time when the Packers, and America, are in such disarray and discouragement, it seems of great worth to do what Ken Lass does in his essay above: encourage enthusiam, and enthuse about encouragement.
Yet, enthusiasm and encouragement are mostly empty without emphasizing the skills and the virtues necessary to turn around a loser into a winner.
The Packers were a dismal 1-10-1 the year before Lombardi became head coach. Bart Starr was invisible, Ray Nitschke was unstable, and Paul Hornung was uneventful.
Then came the most glorious team in the history of the NFL, a team that drew in fans from all over the country to remote Green Bay -- perhaps including Jersey Al, Since'61, and others who are regulars in this virtual tavern of CHTV.
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Why such enduring fanfare for the Green Bay Packers?
Isn't it worth probing the reasons, and discerning what is relevant for us today, all of these decades later?
Not only are the Lombardi Packers about success, but about meaning in life: faith, family, friendship, even freedom. How do we voluntarily come together as individuals to build something worthwhile for the common good? How do we become part of something bigger than ourselves?
If we dismiss such considerations as outdated, what do we lose along the way?
This Holy Week, more than any other week of the year, speaks to these questions.
As Bart Starr liked to say -- to paraphrase him as best I can -- life isn't about destiny, it's about decisions and dedication. Life is what we make of it.

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TarynsEyes's picture

April 03, 2023 at 10:44 am

The attempt to make a comparison of the Packers after Lombardi and the coming era of Love is not any comparison I'd hope for, for those who rely on 'hope'. The Packers had one good season, 1972, so, by comparing them as new eras of optimism, it is horrifying. I'd want more than one year with Love and the Packers being good.

There was no resurrection in GB after Lombardi, just a couple of players that exceeded the other players. I'm not disparaging the play of Brockington and Lane, but their 'individual' play went for naught in the whole picture, which can easily be the case for a couple/few in this new era of excitement.

This new era has to be as productive as the most recent, not less, or it becomes as false as the one being touted in the article, of 50 years ago.

Let's not confuse the individual play as era setting, and to draw a false emotion in support of what hasn't done diddly in the perceived new. The odds are against it, but it can happen. A lot needs to get done before the season starts. Let's see how that plays out before we canonize what hasn't been performed, pre- and post-Week one.

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Tundraboy's picture

April 03, 2023 at 10:07 pm

Even the bad times had there moments. Brockington and Layne and many others were not for naught. Even after being spoiled in the 60s, I always enjoyed following,rooting and watching the Packers. No need to be gloomy especially now.

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stockholder's picture

April 03, 2023 at 11:00 am

Another article to get Rodgers out,
regardless of the costs.
Regardless of the the returns.
Ok- so you walked the path of changing history.
And You got the hate Rodgers group to walk it with you.
Well I'm not falling for your trip down memory lane.
The failures of this writer; show me the disregard for
Consistency and persistency over time.
There is RISK! More than years past!
The Feelings of getting crushed,
by a never ending burden of stress.
IT Just can't be ignored.
This Team is No Longer Americas Team.
The holes in the roster are the result of Gutey.
The failures are everywhere, if you pre-mock the draft.
And yet - you only want a figment of your imagination.

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Coldworld's picture

April 03, 2023 at 11:29 am

“They don’t listen to me, they don’t hear me, they don’t see me.” Nikolai Gogol

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Johnblood27's picture

April 03, 2023 at 12:04 pm

before internet invisibility you would have all of your fingers broken simply for not learning to just STFU after you had made your points, right or wrong.

Goog God man, get over yourself and stop pounding the same shit with every post.

How about a post about how you will miss Big Bob Tonyan?

How about just a simple "The Bears Still Suck".

or maybe even a nostalgic piece about Tom Braatz just because of his name...

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Packerpasty's picture

April 03, 2023 at 07:24 pm

Ha ha...good ol Stockholder sure gets under a few guys skin...and if he turns out to be mostly right about all this, which I hope not but it has a decent chance...then I hope he get a few apologies from the AR haters cult...this team could easily go down the dumpster as easy as winning the division...and if Love doesn't pan out...oh boy.

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Johnblood27's picture

April 04, 2023 at 07:27 am

actually, despite the support for JLove, the chances that he does not succeed to the level of Favre or Rodgers (or Starr), or even Majic or Dickey, are quite high.

All the support is really nothing more than whistling through the graveyard by concerned fans that are used to winning football since the GBP have provided that for the past 30 years with a couple blips.

I don't think it is so much that fans believe in JLove as it is that fans are tired of AR's schtick and just want the non-sense to end, just stop the mental pain of AR's narcissism and arrogance.

J-U-S-T M-A-K-E I-T S-T-O-P!!! ...Any way you can...

We will give up the positives of AR's HOF career, he won only 1 Championship and hasn't done that in over a decade. The unknown is better than the known pain and angst.

J-U-S-T M-A-K-E I-T S-T-O-P!!! ...Any way you can...

As for stockys constant bleating...

J-U-S-T M-A-K-E I-T S-T-O-P!!! ...Any way you can...

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lou's picture

April 03, 2023 at 11:13 am

In reference to 1972 the question at the level of play at QB is an issue but the difference is the team has draft capital to address it compared to the numerous wasted high picks spent on Hadl and DelGazo. The current team has an equivalent backfield tandem and solid offensive line but are minus a true #1 WR (Carroll Dale) but their young receivers today have much more potential than Leland Glass and Dave Davis did. Rich McGeorge was a solid young TE and the Packers should be able to counter that in the draft this year which is heavy in that area. On the defensive side both eras had/have a true shut down CB (Buchanon - Alexander) but today's defense has considerable more talent than the 1972 team overall across the board. Marcol and Crosby are a wash as kickers and Nixon has provided a boost to equal what Ken Ellis provided on returns. If Love turns out to be the answer fine but the team will be competitive and if not the resources are in place to pivot from Love if they have to. Forget the Doomsday rhetoric , THE FUTURE IS BRIGHT IN GREEN BAY WISCONSIN.

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BamaPackFan's picture

April 03, 2023 at 11:17 am

I am looking forward to seeing Love play ball. Even more, I am very happy to see that he takes time to meet with his young receivers and Aaron Jones in the offseason to work on timing and routes etc. I know Rodgers was a veteran, but last year his receivers were rookies. It was disappointing that, for whatever reason, he didn't feel it would be helpful to meet with those guys during the offseason and work on a few things. I wonder if he will show up for a single non-mandatory practice for the Jets. I bet he does.

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Alberta_Packer's picture

April 03, 2023 at 11:55 am

A lovely little trip in the way back machine - to 1972 - which is enjoyable. However, history never exactly repeats itself - which makes each new era unique. Frankly, I'm not too enthused about the start of this "new era" because of the lack of a clear, concise and comprehensive vision and action plan from management. Instead they seem to be creating one - on the fly - which does not augur well for optimal team development.

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Johnblood27's picture

April 03, 2023 at 12:09 pm

much like you, Alberta, I am leery of jumping on the team-wide optimism bandwagon.

I am hopeful concerning Jordan Love and I am really looking forward to seeing the QB position play out.

I am very apprehensive concerning GBP Management.

I feel like the foot-shooting will continue right up until Mark Murphy takes the golden parachute and fades away.

The GM needs to be empowered to roster build with coach and scout inputs, free from upper management influence. Until this becomes a GBP management philosophy the team will struggle just as they have for every single season when the Team President not named Lambeau or Lombardi dipped their hands into football operations.

COACH COACHING SEASONS COACHING YEARS Regular Season Won - Lost - Tied Playoffs Won - Lost League Championships GENERAL MANAGER TEAM PRESIDENT - YEARS
Lambeau 29 1921 - 1949 209-104-21 3 - 2 6 Lambeau Lambeau 21-35 - Joannes 36-47
Ronzani 4 1950 - 1953 14-31-1 0 0 Ronzani Fischer 48-52
Blackbourn 4 1954 - 1957 17-31 0 0 Lewellen Bogda 53-57
McLean 1 1958 1-10-1 0 0 Lewellen Olejniczak 58-81
Lombardi 9 1959 - 1967 89-29-4 9 - 1 5 Lombardi Olejniczak
Bengston 3 1968 - 1970 20-21-1 0 0 Lombardi - Bengston Olejniczak
Devine 4 1971 - 1974 25-27-4 0 - 1 0 Devine Olejniczak
Starr 9 1975 - 1983 52-76-3 1 - 1 0 Starr Olejniczak 81 - Parins 82
Gregg 4 1984 - 1987 25-37-1 0 0 Gregg - Braatz Parins
Infante 4 1988 - 1991 24-40-0 0 0 Braatz - Wolf Parins 88 - Harlan 89-07
Holmgren 7 1992 - 1998 75-37-0 x 1 Wolf Harlan
Rhodes 1 1999 8-8-0 0 0 Wolf Harlan
Sherman 6 2000 - 2005 57-39-0 x 0 Wolf - Sherman - TT Harlan
McCarthy 13 2006 - 2018 125-77-2 x 1 Thompson - Gutekunst Harlan 07 - Murphy 08
LaFleur 4 2019 - present 43-17-0 x 0 Guntekunst Murphy present

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Alberta_Packer's picture

April 03, 2023 at 12:32 pm

Indeed - too many blurred lines of managerial authority and responsibilities will continue to negatively impact the product on the field. As to Murphy - “Ego clouds and disrupts everything.”

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Johnblood27's picture

April 04, 2023 at 07:18 am

I spent a lot of time digging through resources to build that table of Packer Management and records.

This site does not allow pics too be pasted in.

The excel file didn't transfer with any reasonable formatting.

I saved the file many ways and tried all file formats to get the table to load in the comments section.

There is really good info for Packer fans in that table,, and it isnt all easy to find in one place, Team President and GM timelines are not posted together anywhere. Likewise records are for the coaches, that you can find, however overlapping the other two management roles and trying to correlate with record is quite a task.

I wish this site allowed more liberal posting of content other than just plain text.

C'mon Nagler! Get on it! All the CHTV posters provide at least as much quality content as the writers and we all get paid the same! Open up the comments section! Free the posters! We have quality contributions to make! Empower us!

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ReaganRulz's picture

April 03, 2023 at 12:17 pm

I was actually a Cowboy fan back in those days and somehow flipped over to being a Packer fan. And so glad I did :).

You know how the networks love to create names for special teams or players. Well I’m looking forward to the title of “Young Guns” with our passing game. Love chucking it to three 2nd year receivers along with a highly drafted WR and TE. Zipping and zagging all over the field both short and long. Having the ML offense finally take full shape without any disruptions!! That would be awesome!!

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Swisch's picture

April 03, 2023 at 06:15 pm

Sounds good to me, ReaganRulz, in hoping our young guys gel into a creative and dynamic offense of "Young Guns."
Most of all, it's good to have you in the fold of the Packers from the Cowboys.
For me, during the 1970s, the most despised teams were the Cowboys and Vikings in their dominance of the NFC, and I've never quite gotten over it in terms of rooting against them.

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Qoojo's picture

April 03, 2023 at 12:48 pm

The excitement for me is that the packers might have a chance now, because I know there is little chance of the packers winning a superbowl with AR. AR is too comfortable and isn't motivated enough. Given his salary, he isn't the difference maker he is required to be, and quite frankly, he failed to deliver the past 2-3 years when it was in his hands. Both parties (packers and AR) will benefit from a split. Plus, it will be nice to get rid of all the baggage that AR brings.

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Tundraboy's picture

April 03, 2023 at 10:16 pm

Perfect.

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Spawny's picture

April 03, 2023 at 04:14 pm

Dear Ken,
Something is coming.... sort of like that burning itch that preceeds the inflammation of a massive hemorrhoid invasion.

Ken when will Cheesehead actually address what the Packers dynamic duo in the front office have done since Gutekunst's first draft?
Initially drafting Alexander in round one appeared to bolster the team. Adding Jenkins the folowing year had me thinking "holy moly Gute is building a dynasty". Since then the pea green hue of an eminent disaster has struck.
Isn't it time to evaluate what Murphy and Gutekunst have done to this team? We are losing Rodgers (not Amari). We are talking about moving Bahktiari with Rodgers. Akexander has been injured and so has Jenkins. And what have we received in return?
Right now it appears we should just accept the inevitable. Gutekunst has had his feelings hurt. Murphy has turned into a tongue in cheek, "I know nothing" Sergeant Schultz.
Come on Cheesehead writers, try being a tiny bit critical. The sun does not always rise in Green Bay. This club appears to be on the verge of disaster.
Something is about to happen. You are right. And if Love isnt the real deal Murphy and Gutekunsts will become the hemorrhoids on Vince Lombardi's rear.
I ask, how many hall of fame players have the Pack drafted during Farve's and Rodgers careers?

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BirdDogUni's picture

April 03, 2023 at 04:29 pm

The Sun has risen in Green Bay since the dawn of time, just like everywhere else on earth.

It may not rise someday, but it did today, and probably will again tomorrow...

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StarrtoRodgers's picture

April 04, 2023 at 04:31 am

Spawny, common sense and logic you post, but logic is not allowed.

The Packers General Management pays writers to come on here and run a public relations/propaganda campaign to defend their ignorance and emotion driven moves.

Who has the time to make 14,346 posts unless one is being paid?

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Spawny's picture

April 03, 2023 at 04:28 pm

Yes I know. If you become critical Gutekunst and Murphy might toss you out of the Packers glee club. But im just asking what have they done for us lately? I sure hope Love is the third coming of the quarterback messiah. But even so, will this front office find a way to support him? Many here point to hey many teams dont ever win. Well Lombardi teams won and Belichek teams won. Excuse my spelling Bill, cheesehead tv seems to have lost spell check along with their objectivity.

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StarrtoRodgers's picture

April 04, 2023 at 04:16 am

"Coldworld
April 02, 2023 at 11:04 am
You might find this challenging to your manufactured take in history.
How Drew Brees Almost Replaced Brett Favre (from Zone Coverage)
There is plenty more out there if you really don’t remember."

Coldworld, are you actually Wes or Mike from the Packers website or some of other Packer management Public Relations/Propaganda writer paid by the Packers Management (i.e. Mark and Brian) to defend them?

Who else is on this website every day – 14,346 posts now – defending Packer management?

Got to be paid to put forth that much time spouting management propaganda.

You did not explicitly state what point you were trying to make with the Brees article. Please tell me what point you are trying to make?

The points I make are based in nothing but fact:

2023 for Jordan Love will be his 4th year for the Packers.

2008 for Aaron Rodgers was his 4th year for the Packers.

1) Consequently, if Packer Management’s IGNORANT EMOTION DRIVEN trade of Rodgers to the NFL Owners hunger New York Television market goes through, expectations should be for Jordan Love in 2023 to match or exceed Aaron Rodgers performance in 2008, specifically:

Statistic: 2008 total (NFL Rank)
Passing Yards: 4,038 (4)
Completions: 341 (7)
Completion %: 65.6 (10)
Touchdowns: 28 (4)
QB Passer Rating: 93.8 (6)
20-plus yd. completions:48 (5T)
40-plus yd. completions:16 (1T)
Third-down QB rating:105.8 (3)
First downs passing:182 (9T)

2) If not for the fact that the Packers defense fell from 6th ranked defense, giving up 291 points in 2007 to the 22nd ranked defense in 2008, giving up 380 points in 2008, Aaron would have the Packers in 2008 as well. (the defense lost its dominant sack leader Cullen Jenkins in game 4 for the season, its leading tackler, middle linebacker Nick Barnett to a knee injury for the last 7 games and its leader in interceptions from 2007, Atari Bigby, for most of the season in game 2.

As it is Aaron led the Packers to the playoffs in 2009, his 2nd year as starter, and a Super Bowl victory in his 3rd year as starter and the Packers were in the playoffs every year – 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, until Aaron broke his collarbone in 2017 and management rode with 5th round disaster Brett Hundley.

3) And Aaron succeeded despite the fact that over the last 20 years no other team other than the Seahawks has failed to draft a wide receiver in the first but the Packers.

The Packers last draft of a wide receiver in the first round was Javon Walker in 2002 was a stud that ran a faster 40 – 4.35 - at the combine than Christian Watson’s 4.36 last year. Walker made the pro bowl in 2004 and established several NFL records in first 3 years, but the Packer management played hard ball with Walker – with the help of Favre – and alienated Walker much like they did Davante Adams last year.

There is nothing “manufactured” in the history I provided. I lived the history. I remember all of it very well.

As with the foolish 2020 drafting of Love, all of college football leader in interceptions thrown the year Love was drafted – without communicating this trade first with the QB who for 2018 (2 interceptions) and 2019 (4 interceptions) set all time NFL records for the fewest interceptions in a season by a quarterback attempting more than 500 passes - If this ignorant emotion driven trade by Packer management goes through and they continue to refuse to sign their own young free agents like Tonyan and Lazard and Reed and Barnes and other experienced vets like Cobb, Lewis, and Crosby, my fellow Packer fans and I will be watching the Packers of the late 60s, 70s, 80s and early 90s again when the Packers went through GM after GM and Coach after Coach, and QB after QB, and Rodgers will finish out his 4 year contract at the end of the 2026-27 season leading the Jets to the playoffs all 4 years – and the Jets fans, who have only known losing, will be very appreciative, unlike the young 40 and under spoiled Packer fans, who have seen a winning team for the last 30+ years largely due to Favre and Rodgers, not Packer management.

And all my Packer friends – who watch every game with me from preseason until the end of the season – feel the same way. Only Packer management plants and the NFL Owners’ talking heads – who are there to create hysteria and maximize viewership and clicks – and Rodgers to New York will be right in line with that – think differently.

And if that should happen we will be cheering loudly for all the Packer players – including Jordan Love – as we did Don Horn, Scott Hunter, Jerry Tagge, John Hadl, Carlos Brown, Lynn Dickey, David Whitehurst, Randy Wright, Don Majkowski, Anthony Dilweg, Blair Kiel, Mike Tomczak, and others.

And the young spoiled Packer fans, who complain about the Packers winning “only” 1 Super Bowl during Aaron’s 15 years as starter will be long gone.

But Packer Management’s writers will still be on these websites writing to protect Packer Management and the 31 Billionaire Owners’ talking heads will still be out there each day creating hysteria and pushing those Billionaire’s agenda to maximize collectively shared television, internet, and gambling revenues.

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