The Lass Word: The Difference One Year Can Make
How did Rodgers fall from grace so quickly?
By KenLass
At some point, in the weeks following the end of the 2021 season, Mark Murphy, Russ Ball, Brian Gutekunst, Matt LaFleur and others would have gathered together in a conference room to discuss the future of the team. The Packers had just completed a year in which they had won thirteen games for the third season in a row. Their quarterback had been voted the most valuable player in the league for the second year in a row. But their playoff run had, once again, ended prematurely with a soul crushing loss at home to the 49ers.
By this time, unbeknownst to the public, the front office would have been notified by Davante Adams that the star receiver would refuse to play under the franchise tag and was through in Green Bay. They would have known they had no choice but to trade him. This meant rebuilding the receiver position with rookies.
Another consideration was the fact that Jordan Love had not yet shown them he was ready to be a successful starting quarterback in the league. He had just one start under his belt, a shaky performance against the Kansas City Chiefs. There was more instability when offensive coordinator Nathaniel Hackett and quarterback coach Luke Getsy both left for better jobs.
Considering all these factors, the brain trust concluded that, in order to remain competitive for a championship, it was absolutely essential that Aaron Rodgers be convinced to come back and lead the team in 2022, and management resolved to do whatever it took to accomplish that mission. What it took was a lot of very public groveling, and a contract making him the highest paid player in league history. A contract constructed in a way that gave Rodgers, not the team, virtual control over his destiny. Gutekunst said at the time the Packers wanted Rodgers to be their quarterback in the coming year and into the future.
The deal raised eyebrows, but the Packers did not flinch. It was worth it. They had Rodgers back. He would compensate for any deficiencies. If necessary, he would put the team on his back and personally carry them to the playoffs, just as he had done so many times in the past. After all, he is one of the greatest to ever do it. All was well so long as number twelve would be on the field.
Flash forward one year to the present day. Now the Packers are giving every indication they are done with Rodgers. They appear to be desperate to trade him. They are reported to be on the verge of giving him away to the New York Jets without even getting a first round pick in return. Mark Murphy is already referring to him in the past tense. What happened? What could take place in just one year that caused the front office to make a 180 degree turn in their thinking?
It likely began with attitude. Rodgers had always been difficult and headstrong, sometimes openly critical of coaching and management. He cast doubts on his commitment to the team by ignoring all voluntary workouts. Still, that just came with the package. It was always tolerated because the Packers were winning. However, come last September, that was no longer true. The Minnesota Vikings brought the season to an ominous start by thumping Green Bay soundly in the opening week. The team would stumble to a losing record. Rodgers would flash that incredible accuracy and savvy a few times each game, making those plays only he seemed to be able to make.
But more often, he was making bad decisions, turning down open receivers to try futile hero throws, throwing behind guys, self-destructing by holding the ball too long, particularly in the red zone. A thumb injury certainly didn’t help, but coaches and management concluded their future Hall of Famer had experienced significant decline. And if they had any doubt, there was yet another crushing loss to end the season. This one might have been the most painful of all. Losing at home to the division rival Lions, a game in which a victory would have sent the Packers to the playoffs, was devastating. It wasn’t all Rodgers’ fault, but it convinced management that QB12 was no longer able to lead this team to a Super Bowl.
Meanwhile Jordan Love was showing impressive improvement in all aspects of his game. In a brief appearance against the eventual NFC champion Philadelphia Eagles, Love threw with authority and accuracy, leading the team to a pair of scoring drives.
It all adds up to where we stand today. Green Bay has gone past the point of no return. Once the team gave Rodgers permission to talk to the Jets, the quarterback knew he wasn’t wanted back. Under these circumstances, it would be incredibly awkward for him to stay with the Packers, since both he and his teammates would know he wasn’t wanted. Considering how Rodgers likes to carry a grudge, the locker room would have enough tension to cut with a knife.
If the national talking heads are to be believed, the Packers have no leverage in this negotiation with the Jets. New York is the only suitor, they say, and can low ball Green Bay. However, I dispute the notion that the Packers have no leverage. The New York media and national sports networks have got Jets fans so stirred up about the possibility of acquiring Rodgers, they would burn the stadium down if management fails to close this deal, especially considering the Jets passed on Derek Carr. The pressure to deliver Rodgers is sky high. Thus, I believe the Packers can afford to take a hard line stand in these compensation talks.
But Gutekunst may be of no mind to do so. He may be so anxious to get out from under the money crush of the Rodgers contract, out from under the attitude and the drama, that he would gladly accept less than market value for his star signal caller, just to be free of him.
What a difference one year makes.
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Ken Lass is a former Green Bay television sports anchor and 43 year media veteran, a lifelong Packers fan, and a shareholder.
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Comments (300)
SwedeBayPacker
March 13, 2023 at 06:06 am
If you're a humongous POS who spreads bad vibes and makes everyone uncomfortable but you're also massively talented, people will tolerate you as long as you're the best at what you do.
Lootstone
March 13, 2023 at 06:30 am
Geez. Rodgers has always paved his own path. Even if he's hard to deal with, he was the only one with a brain during covid in the nfl who would speak publicly on the matter. Got painted as the villain, but always paved his own path. Dude was a baller in and out of nfl Sunday and comments like this have no grounds.
Thank you Aaron for being the QB the world needed, when all people cared about was a BS superbowl that tends to get decided by BS ref calls in the end anyway. Good luck with whatever you choose, but Woody Johnson? Just make sure you rob that entitled schmuck of an owner on the way out.
jurp
March 13, 2023 at 08:01 am
He lied about being vaccinated; that's not speaking publicly on the matter. He didn't want to get vaccinated? Then he should've just been honest about it, like some of the other players in the league.
Packers2020
March 13, 2023 at 08:42 am
Who cares. It's a vacination for a virus that has less deaths than the flu.
Not sure why everyone has to keep bring this up.
jurp
March 13, 2023 at 11:00 am
One million deaths in less than two years in NOT less than deaths from flu. SMH. Flu averages about 52000 per year. Educate yourself.
BirdDogUni
March 13, 2023 at 06:06 pm
Yeah, getting shot on the streets of Chicago and testing positive for covid at the morgue is not a covid death, no matter what they/you say...
Knowing the truth and still believing the lies tells me all I need to know.
MainePackFan
March 13, 2023 at 06:53 pm
The most deaths attributed to covid in the world were in the US.
Either our medical system is the worst in the world, or hospitals were reaping the financial benefits of a covid diagnosis.
india 1.4B people 750,000 covid deaths. US 331M people 1M covid deaths. Apparently we really suck at pandemics.
Surely you aren't suggesting we've been lied to ; )
BirdDogUni
March 13, 2023 at 08:24 pm
Lied to from the very start and it didn't end there... It was two years before they even acknowledged "natural immunity"... It was easy to tell who believed the lies... I'm not going to go into detail, because this should be about football, but when people hate someone who is a critical thinker, does his own research, and makes up their own mind, and doesn't try to get people to think like him, I have to question why people hate him?
You question science. That's how science works. (Especially science based on fantasy and lies.)
People who cite the BS horse wormer narrative must be unable to search the internet. Of course, you can't use Google Search engine, because they censor (remove or suppress) fact driven studies. (India pandemic study on Ivermectin) (National Library of Medicine)
People who just regurgitate the BS narratives by a certain group of people who are making millions, nay billions of dollars because of that narrative, were the same type of people handing out blankets infected with small pox to Native Americans in the 1700s - 1800s...
The reason the US had the most deaths attributed to covid is because for two years, nobody died of anything else, according to hospitals and the CDC... SMH Follow the money. How much did hospitals get if a person died of covid? The CDC admitted financial hospital incentives drove up Covid Death Rates...
Hey, I am all for people believing whatever they want to believe. I will defend their right to do so, but don't expect me to believe a man is a woman or Hunter is an artist. SSMH
MainePackFan
March 14, 2023 at 05:41 am
Bird, you and I are on the same page when it comes to this topic.
Packers2020
March 14, 2023 at 08:48 am
It is percentage wise less than the flu based on the amount of people that had it.
Lootstone
March 13, 2023 at 03:52 pm
This is why Rodgers said, question what everyone says. He did not lie. He said, I'm "immunized," the average person thinks that means vaccinated. Every thumbs up to this comment is proof of the medical brainwashing we have in our country.
You can thank him for educating you indirectly. But the problem for you was you still didn't understand the true story.
jannesbjornson
March 13, 2023 at 05:27 pm
Put it this way, most people do not go to the Feedstore to seek treatment for the virus.
Bitternotsour
March 13, 2023 at 05:35 pm
nicely put. want to worm your goat? ivermectin is your go to. personally, i don't consult with Joe Rogan for my medical needs.
MainePackFan
March 13, 2023 at 07:49 pm
Correct, they depend on a government solution that obviously doesn't work, yet was extraordinarily profitable for the very people who insist nothing else will work.
FYI. The government solution in 1918 was Bayer Aspirin. A relatively new miracle drug that was overprescribed and led to lethal doses that killed many people due to toxic levels being prescribed.
Ignorance and profit is a bad combination, especially when scientific freedom of speech is silenced.
jannesbjornson
March 14, 2023 at 11:36 am
Most covid deaths were experienced by people who were not vaccinated. The Data still supports this Evidence. mRNA research is the primary driver for a vaccination treatment for Cancers. The preacher in the Warehouse church is not an authority on science, especially the field of Virology and Epidemiology. Take the coursework and see if you can pass the exams.
Packers0808
March 13, 2023 at 08:40 am
Thanks for the comedic post to start the day!
SwedeBayPacker
March 13, 2023 at 10:54 am
Ok, Rodgers paves his own path, so? Good for him, doesn't change the fact that he's an asshole who rolls his eyes at his teammates and screams at them when they mess up, as if he's the only one giving 100% on the field. What a freaking narcissist, get out of here...!
Who in their right mind would tolerate that sort of behavior at their job? Would you?
greengold
March 13, 2023 at 11:17 am
Exactly!!!!
I'm so done with this narcissistic prick's BS. All I want is football, without tweaker inspired drama.
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
He's personally destroyed the last 4 seasons for me as a fan with his garbage.
KnockTheSnotOutOfYou
March 13, 2023 at 01:43 pm
You and me both GG!
It is all about AR and pathetic there are still some GBP fans here who cannot see that & continue to hang on his shirt tail and his every move.
Lootstone
March 13, 2023 at 03:44 pm
Because there are a lot of competitive A holes when testosterone is pumping. Just don't get why everyone is so targeted at just one guy for the problem that was really the front office more so than Rodgers. Was Rodgers a little full of himself, yeah but to a lot of people he is in their top 5 QBs of all time, Tom Brady was an A hole during practice with the bucs. He's just more of a hand holder so people view it as leadership quality when he gets mad.
Even if I don't agree with everything Rodgers does, I think the guy is just searching in his own for Jesus, like most people - I still thank him for being one of the few people to push back against the very tyrannical measures of covid protocol. But it seems people care more about their feelings than the truth in our modern time, kind of sad.
LambeauPlain
March 13, 2023 at 10:02 am
You describing Jeff George?
mnbadger
March 13, 2023 at 11:25 am
yes
WestCoastPackerBacker
March 13, 2023 at 04:14 pm
I'd save humongous POS for guys who commit violence against women and children. Rodgers has not hurt anybody, not at all. Unless you fault him for not living up to his contract, but then a huge chunk of the NFL is a humongous POS by that definition. By all accounts, he is a more-than-decent guy, with a great sense of humor, who has done quite a bit of charitable giving and donating time: https://www.sportskeeda.com/nfl/5-humanitarian-charitable-efforts-aaron-...
He's well-like by team mates (read Rasul Douglas tweet, Aaron Jones recent comments). Even the not re-signed Micah Hyde said recently about Rodgers: “I love 12. That’s my guy. He’s a loving, great person. He’s one of the best teammates I ever had.”
So you're mad that they didn't win another Super Bowl and you don't like him saying he was immunized. That doesn't add up to humongous POS. That's just a disagreement. The rest is you pretending you know the guy, based on articles written by a media site looking for clicks.
BirdDogUni
March 14, 2023 at 07:24 am
Hear, hear WCPB...
Anyone who hates AR12 for his stance on BS Covid narrative, just admits they swallowed the government, media, and big pharma's propaganda campaign without question...
I grew up in the 60s and 70s, when hero's questioned everything the government, media, and big corporations did at every turn. If you are sitting there raging against AR12 for his questioning a narrative that never made sense from the very beginning, let me just say, he's not the problem.
If you actually believe the government (rich people), media conglomerates (controlled by rich people), or big pharma (more rich people), have your best interests at heart, you were the ones who actually believed cloth masks protected you. You were the ones forcing children to wear cloth masks. You were the crazy people yelling at people to stand on the X's, while pulling your mask down to do so...
I get it. You're mad, but don't be mad at AR12. Be mad at the people who closed small businesses. Be mad at those who didn't allow you to go to church or bury your dead. Be mad at those who said it was fine to go to Walmart and Lowes and any other big business, but it wasn't OK to go get your hair cut or the local neighborhood gym.
The biggest scam in history. The biggest money grab in modern history. Don't be mad at Aaron %'in Rodgers. If you want to be mad, go to the beach, play in the surf, enjoy the sunshine, but make sure you have your colorful, homemade cloth mask, because you don't want to kill someone... SSMH
*If you don't like this comment, look in the mirror, and ask yourself why. You won't like that answer either...
Packer_Fan
March 13, 2023 at 06:17 am
It's legal tampering day. Will Rodgers be so cooperative to let both the Packers and the Jets know? I hope so.
KnockTheSnotOutOfYou
March 13, 2023 at 01:44 pm
I'm hopeful some other teams reach out & talk to AR starting today to increase potential competition.
Cubbygold
March 13, 2023 at 06:46 am
How did Rodgers fall from grace?
Well... Here we sit, just hours from legal tampering, with no answer. Just a big middle finger to GB and NYJ leadership. It's hard enough to win a championship, we don't need our GM being unsure of what roster he's building while other teams chase after FAs were interested in. Rodgers has had months to think about this since the end of the season, he should have had a decision in last week so the teams could prepare over the weekend for a very important week. Instead here we sit and Gute and the team have to have multiple plans while just sitting around waiting.
How did rodgers fall from grace? Because he's selfish and egotistical.
dobber
March 13, 2023 at 07:26 am
"Stay Tuned" --> That's all we really need to hear to understand the matter.
Johnblood27
March 13, 2023 at 09:49 am
"Stay Tuna-ed" as in "Sorry Charlie" to the GBP by Mr Tuna Rodgers...
Tekraut17
March 13, 2023 at 10:47 am
As if we have any $'s to go after FA's anyways. Whatever he decides we're only going to be able to go after middle of the road, inexpensive replacements
jannesbjornson
March 13, 2023 at 01:21 pm
Draft better.
davekenya
March 13, 2023 at 08:34 pm
...but of course we don't know that he's already notified the front office or not of his intentions...and that the delay is working out a trade package...or AR may have let the Jets know his playing with the Jets might be conditional on the Jets signing one/both of Lazard/Cobb. IF that happens, THEN AR signs on the line. Since this can't happen until FA signing period opens, we have the delay...
NickPerry
March 13, 2023 at 06:47 am
"Gutekunst said at the time the Packers wanted Rodgers to be their quarterback in the coming year and into the future."
Personally I think THIS is what has pissed the Packers brass off so much. I think when they gave him that ridiculous contract they ASSUMED Rodgers would be here a MINUMUM of two years, maybe three, but in no way be back at the "Will he/Wont he" bullshit the moment after the 2022 season ended for GB. He said he didn't want to take away from the SB and the two teams who were playing. How "BIG" of Rodgers. What a guy!
INSTEAD Rodgers has taken his own sweet time on a decision I think he made days or even weeks ago. Why? He's a attention whore. He LOVES this shit and LOVES that he's at the center of least TWO teams attention, the Jets and Packers. Will he won't he. If he does this we need this much money. If he does that we need that much money...UGH!!!!!
The Packers really screwed the pooch by giving Rodgers that contract and control. I HOPE they've learned a lesson. NO PLAYER is bigger than the GB Packers. I don't care what the Packers get at this point...TRADE HIS ASS or FORCE him to retire. It's impossible to come out of this looking smart if your the Packers. They totally and completely saw to that last year by not trading hm to Denver. Do what you can and move forward...ASAP!
Go Pack Go!!
T7Steve
March 13, 2023 at 07:40 am
I still think they should take some power back and stick it to him by trading him for Nathanal Hackett. Even if he doesn't come back and coach a day in GB.
Have to walk a thin line though. Rodgers is still a Packer great and even though he's doing to us what we never wanted to go through again, we'll have to welcome him back some day.
KnockTheSnotOutOfYou
March 13, 2023 at 01:46 pm
Do we really have to?
RCPackerFan
March 13, 2023 at 07:57 am
What changed from the start of the year to the end of the year for Rodgers? When Rodgers came back at training camp when asked if he will retire as a Packer he said yes.
When asked if he would be back this next year at the end of the season he said well it has to be a mutual thing.
So what happened in between? Why did his answer change?
Everyone wants to blame Rodgers for everything. I get why, but its not always that simple. When he was talking about it needing to be mutual, do you think that is Rodgers saying he didn't want to be back, or was that him saying that he didn't think the Packers wanted him back?
jurp
March 13, 2023 at 08:04 am
"When he was talking about it needing to be mutual, do you think that is Rodgers saying he didn't want to be back, or was that him saying that he didn't think the Packers wanted him back?"
This is ultimately the problem with Rodgers - he never, ever, speaks clearly about his intentions. Always hinting, always obfuscating. Always. Fucking. Annoying.
If he didn't want to be the center of attention, all he had to do was clearly state his intentions.
RCPackerFan
March 13, 2023 at 08:20 am
You can be annoyed with how he speaks in public. But in reality it only matters how he speaks to the Packers. Just like when people were pissed off about his vaccine status. Reality is the only people it mattered that knew was the Packers themselves. They knew it and there were no issues.
Here is a question. What if he was told by certain people in GB they didn't want him back? So is he supposed to come out and basically throw the Packers under the bus?
Its easy to be pissed off at him. Its easy to be upset. But why are so many people upset with him, and why aren't more people upset that the Packers don't come out and talk? Gutey could have come out and talked more. Why doesn't he come out and say, We want Rodgers back, or we are ready to move onto Love? Murphy could have. They never talk, so all we get is the cryptic messages from the QB. Basically from training camp/start of the season we don't hear from Gutey until after the season.
My whole point is we are missing pieces to the puzzle. Until I find the pieces I'm not pissed off at the puzzle. I need to see the whole picture to know if I like it or not.
For the record I have no idea what I'm talking about. I'm tired. This time change thing sucks.
MainePackFan
March 13, 2023 at 08:31 am
Great response RC. None of us have any idea what's going on behind the scenes. It's pure speculation on our part.
RCPackerFan
March 13, 2023 at 09:00 am
Thanks Maine,
I wish we knew what was going on. I wish the team and the players would be open and honest. Its just not the way it works.
davekenya
March 13, 2023 at 08:42 pm
...well, it would not be in the players' or team's interest if all parties were fully honest. Do we want our GM being open and honest at PCs stating what the team is looking to do in the draft or FA? No...TT and BG obfuscate. We want them too. For all we know, AR made his thoughts known...and was told to 'keep it quiet while we negotiate with the NYJ' so GB can get the best trade package. (I'm speculating...but so are all of us).
If you've ever been part of a (union) negotiating process through work, your best strategy is RARELY to put all your cards out there on the table at the get-go. You lose your bargaining strength.
Johnblood27
March 13, 2023 at 09:58 am
Yo RC, GBP management cannot just come out and say what they are thinking concerning Rodgers and his contract and playing this coming year beyond the statement "We have a contractual agreement in place with Rodgers".
To say anything more is beyond stupid.
To say anything more defeats the bargaining position of the team.
To say anything more is akin to telling the other players around the poker table what cards you are holding.
The fact that the GBP came out and said "We want you back more than anything in the world" last year gave them the biggest loss in the history of contract negotiations. Look at where it has left them this year with that albatross of a contract tied around their necks.
GBP management has put their feet in their mouths so many times there are permanent footprints on their tongues.
...and above all, Mark Murphy should NEVER talk about anything that falls under the duties of the GM or Head Coach.
Even if they report directly to him.
Even if he tells them every little move to make.
He should NEVER speak publicly concerning either their plans or his directives to them. THAT undermines the entire process as far as advantage to the GBP goes.
Mark Murphy is a complete DOLT and an IDIOT. He needs to keep his mouth SHUT about football operations of the GBP. He can talk all he wants to about the CBA, TV contracts, Gambling cash cuts, real estate development, sledding hills, etc. Football operations? Just STFU you MORON Murphy!
NickPerry
March 13, 2023 at 10:14 am
"Mark Murphy is a complete DOLT and an IDIOT. He needs to keep his mouth SHUT about football operations of the GBP. He can talk all he wants to about the CBA, TV contracts, Gambling cash cuts, real estate development, sledding hills, etc. Football operations? Just STFU you MORON Murphy!"
Gotta say, JB27 completely hit the mark with this! Murphy needs to stop playing Jerry Jones and Start being more like Bob Harlon...You know, like he was in the beginning of his tenure. It's not a coincidence this crap started AFTER Ted Thompson retired.
greengold
March 13, 2023 at 10:17 am
BRA-fucking-VO!
jurp
March 13, 2023 at 11:03 am
I' m not referring to any missing puzzle pieces - Rodgers could say what he thinks in clear, concise English if chose to. The fact that he never does that about anything is beyond annoying - and shows that he loves the media attention. When asked when he would tell the world what his decision is he had no need to waffle: "I'll let the Packers know by March XX, after which we'll have a joint announcement." Clear. Concise. No Bullshit "wait and see! stay tuned!" crap.
Packers2020
March 13, 2023 at 08:50 am
What gives you any right to know what Rodgers or the Packers want to have happen or what is going on behind closed doors. Because you're a stockholder?
I find it funny how fans think because the Packers are publicly owned and have a fake stock certificate that they have the power to know everything that is going on with this team. It's hilarious.
We will know when we know.
Oh and when you or anyone else on this board has played only football for 30 years and has a huge decision to make on if they continue their career or move on with a different life then come and talk to me.
Give the guy time to decide. He has given us a lot of great football over 18 years.
WestCoastPackerBacker
March 13, 2023 at 10:18 am
That's how I read it. I saw Rodgers looking back at a season that did not meet the expectations for the highest paid QB in the league, while he had to have seen Jordan's Love development in practice and in games. I think he saw GB might be ready to move on from him, and the reason why it is taking this long to decide is b/c he might not be quite ready to retire. So, feeling like you're no longer wanted at work, but there's another job you might take before retirement, you ask yourself: do I have the energy to learn a new system at a new job with new owners and team mates? Or do I stick with what I've been saying out loud the last couple of years, that I would like to finish my career where I started it.
croatpackfan
March 13, 2023 at 10:59 am
"I'm done with them. I will never ever play for Packers. They do not respect me enough."
Is that what you were thinking when you put next sentence to your post: "Or do I stick with what I've been saying out loud the last couple of years, that I would like to finish my career where I started it."
Because first sentence of my post was ACR statement 2 years ago. So if he is so firm with his statement from the past, why he so often change them?
BruceC1960
March 13, 2023 at 08:05 am
Hopefully 12 gets done filling out his NCAA bracket soon so he can let the Packers know his intentions.
RCPackerFan
March 13, 2023 at 09:10 am
Should we be mad if he doesn't share his bracket with us?
MainePackFan
March 13, 2023 at 09:22 am
Lol. As long as he shares it in the allotted time frame we have allowed him : )
RCPackerFan
March 13, 2023 at 10:07 am
lol fair point.
dobber
March 13, 2023 at 10:46 am
Friend asking for my bracket: You have to have it in before the play-in games this week.
Me: Stay tuned.
MainePackFan
March 13, 2023 at 12:41 pm
did you get your bracket in on time? If you didn't, I assume you are disqualified dobber :) In my bracket, you can't even fill it out before the play-in games ; )
Tekraut17
March 13, 2023 at 10:50 am
Unfortunately he's under contract so they can't FORCE him to retire. They could cut him but that's not an acceptable outcome as the financial aspects would be crippling.
croatpackfan
March 13, 2023 at 11:02 am
They may. Little bit more expensive, but duable. Let him be back up QB. And Packers franchize would be the first to have 4× MVP as back up. History would written.
WestCoastPackerBacker
March 13, 2023 at 04:18 pm
That is ridiculous, just ridiculous. They're not keeping #12 as a backup. Your anger is outdistancing your common sense.
croatpackfan
March 13, 2023 at 04:52 pm
No, this is one of the options. And if he will not accept, he will break up his contractual obligations and allow Packers to make that contract invalid.
KnockTheSnotOutOfYou
March 13, 2023 at 01:50 pm
They can make his sit on the bench holding a clip board & tablet for Jordan Love. How do you think AR would tolerate that?
croatpackfan
March 14, 2023 at 09:27 am
Maybe he would do that with dignity, but I strongly doubt.
ReaganRulz
March 13, 2023 at 07:07 am
Enjoyed the article Ken…a lot of dynamics and ego’s involved in this. Hope that we hear something today and that our future will be with Jordan Love and Company!!
mnbadger
March 13, 2023 at 11:27 am
well said
GPG!
Handsback
March 13, 2023 at 07:09 am
The last two contracts to Rodgers were mistakes. Rodgers is the most talented passer I've seen outside of Thompson of Cincinnati (hurt his elbow I think and was never the same) and Joe Namath before NC State took out his legs. BUT that netted Green Bay a SB win and a threat to win it almost every year.
When Love was drafted Rodgers made a point to be the best QB he could be and won two MVP trophies. That chip on his shoulder was bigger than the desire/will to win another SB.
Why do I say that? Look at the games they lost. Did he come up big when he needed to or small when the pressure was on?
That question needed to be answered by Packer management and it appears it was the wrong answer.
Just MHO
Bearmeat
March 13, 2023 at 07:25 am
Nailed it. I knew before this season started that we'd under-achieve. What an awful decision made by the FO. We'd be sitting pretty with Love right now. UGH.
RCPackerFan
March 13, 2023 at 07:38 am
"I knew before this season started that we'd under-achieve."
I mean, considering we had 2 of our top OL, and top TE coming off torn ACL's. They traded the best WR in the league, and were relying on a pair of Rookie WRs and taking a flier on Sammy Watkins. I think we can say it wasn't a bold prediction that this was a very strong possibility.
jurp
March 13, 2023 at 08:07 am
"I think we can say it wasn't a bold prediction that this was a very strong possibility."
True, so why the hell did the FO decide that extending Rodgers was the right thing to do?
RCPackerFan
March 13, 2023 at 08:12 am
Because at that moment Love clearly wasn't ready to be the starting QB.
So the only options they really had, would have been to sign Rodgers, try to sign another veteran to fill in for a year, or go with a young QB that wasn't ready. They didn't really have a lot of options.
Also Rodgers was coming off back to back MVP seasons. They were hoping he could carry them until the rest of the team caught up. But they didn't account for the amount of injuries at WR and the OL struggling as bad as they did.
jurp
March 13, 2023 at 08:22 am
Signing another vet would've been the preferred way to go, then, because said other vet would've been a hell of a lot cheaper. Rodgers' two MVP seasons got the rest of the team exactly what? Bounced from the playoffs, again.
Why is it that the fans can see these things and the FO can't?
Coldworld
March 13, 2023 at 08:48 am
It worked for Seattle. It also seemed to reinvigorate them. Having said that, to me Rodgers personality is irrelevant. He’s not winning here in combination with what we have around him, he’s just getting older and adding to cap burdens. It’s simply time, past time, to move on towards finding a chance to renew and return to competition.
Reading posts here, that’s a realization that some seem to struggle with, but it’s just how it is and we’ve seen enough to settle that here and around the league. I think we will now see how much of our recent history is really down to Rodgers and how much was off field. That is something we have to face to improve. Thus his departure may only be one step in many: the road may be rocky, but it’s a road that we are overdue taking.
RCPackerFan
March 13, 2023 at 09:13 am
And how would have the fanbase reacted to that? Outside of the group that has been loud in the disgust towards Rodgers. How would them getting rid of Rodgers and signing an Andy Dalton for example, went? I don't see it going well in the media and the majority of the fan base.
Coldworld
March 13, 2023 at 09:33 am
An empty argument if you look around now.
RCPackerFan
March 13, 2023 at 09:43 am
There is a loud fanbase that hates Rodgers. it only got louder with the vaccine thing.
greengold
March 13, 2023 at 09:54 am
And stop with your "hater" routine. Please!!!
Just because some fans can see it's time to move on from a player does not automatically make them haters of the player.
FFS, RC. Keep it to football and put your big boy pants on. We are fans of the team. We've watched a fuck ton of football in our lives, and we know what we've been seeing going well back into McCarthy's tenure.
RCPackerFan
March 13, 2023 at 10:02 am
Does the truth hurt?
Read the comments. What conclusion should one come away with?
No thanks. i prefer wearing shorts.
greengold
March 13, 2023 at 10:37 am
Please, share the truth, RC. I want to hear what you're referring to as "truth."
Cut the crap.
RCPackerFan
March 13, 2023 at 10:43 am
Cut what shit Green Gold?
That people on this website hate Rodgers? You are blind if you don't see that. Every article is about something and the people with pitchforks come out and just trash him. No matter if the article is about Rodgers or not. That is what the past 2 months have been like on this page. I'm not saying that everyone hates Rodgers, but its clear a lot of people want him gone.
Hell for the last year and halfish, its been that way. There was a lot of people that turned bad on him when the covid thing came out.
Listen, if you don't like my posts you can simply move on. You don't have to stop and talk shit to me if you don't like what I say.
greengold
March 13, 2023 at 10:57 am
RC, I began by stating that I have nothing personal with you in replying. I think you're a great fan whom I've enjoyed sharing info with.
I do not appreciate being labeled as a "hater" of a player simply because I disagree with his value to the team as may be perceived by others.
Has he had his great moments? Without question. Have I as a Packers fan appreciated those great moments? Oftentimes.
But, I don't think he walks on water like others here. I'm not going to just bow to that. Sorry.
RCPackerFan
March 13, 2023 at 11:34 am
I never said you specifically were a hater. I said there are haters on here.
Who on here thinks he walks on water? For anyone that thinks I do, I don't think that. But i try to keep things more realistic and honest.
barutanseijin
March 13, 2023 at 07:36 pm
The truth must hurt you. Otherwise why so stubbornly refuse to see his declining skills and poor decision making?
The_Baloney_Stops_Here
March 13, 2023 at 10:08 am
Maybe the media hates Rodgers over the jab, but thats not why fans have turned on him and you know it. The diehards have turned on him cuz not only does he shrink in the biggest games, but hes also become a giant douche on and off the field who only gets worse by the year. Why is that so hard for you to understand? Better question, how can you still defend him? Im an unvaccinated healthcare worker who faced losing my damn livelihood while he was playing weasel words like the coward that he is. So miss me with the mUh JaB nonsense. Theres literally nothing left to like or admire about him as a person. I hate that it came to this because I was one of his biggest fans since before he was even a starter in GB. It is what it is. Douchy actions have consequences.
RCPackerFan
March 13, 2023 at 10:52 am
A lot of fans have turned on him over that moment. There is a big change in how people are towards him the minute the jab crap happened.
Let me ask, how has he become a big douche on the field? Is it the eyerolls at WR's? Is it him throwing tablets on the ground? Is it him getting in the faces screaming yelling at players? Because Tom Brady did that every week and no one says crap about it. Peyton Manning did it and no one said crap about it. But if Rodgers does it, he is a colossal dbag?
I'm trying to be realistic about Rodgers. You say he shrunk in big games. Yes he isn't always perfect in some of those, and missed plays. Those missed plays are magnified because of the meaning of those games. But these games are not purely won or lost based on the QB play. They get all the credit and all the blame, but Rodgers didn't solely lose all those games. Just like he didn't solely with the Super Bowl for them. Its a team game.
I praise you for being an unvaccinated healthcare worker because I know that was not easy to do. So many didn't want to get it but were forced to. So well done on that.
Look at how the media and people treated Kirk Cousins and Cole Beasley when they weren't vaccinated. It would have been 10x's more hate for Rodgers. I get why he did what he did. I'm not saying he did what he should have done, but I get why he did what he did.
Coldworld
March 13, 2023 at 11:17 am
I am sure some turned on him over COVID, but I think less than you think. Others may have seen what you don’t, the start of physical decline.
Personally I just see a guy who is not good enough to lift what we have in order to pay him and is going to drag down the team as a result.
That’s while accepting that the coaching staff have at least as much responsibility for the failures to convert and that the FO should never have given him his current contract. It’s simply not a winning proposition for the team any more.
croatpackfan
March 13, 2023 at 11:23 am
RCPF, you know that two of us disagree on many things related to ACR. I never said that he was not, once, great QB. And he will be remembered by that. 10 years from now when anyone talks about ACR it will be with respectfulness. But, at the moment he is doing nothing else but dragging out attention. I'm listening lot of different sources and from the moment last season ended, most media was little bit more on his side than they are today.
If he is indecisive in himself it would be correct to retire and end this nightmare many are dragged into. If he finally decide that decision he made is wrong and want to play football again, he can unretire. This time to the team willing to pay for his services.
Once I asked Vic Ketchman what if player decide to retire while he is under contract regarding SC issue, he explained that if that happens contract would be valid and if he want to unretire, he will be considered as player of the team he retired from. If team asked league to liberate them from contract and consequently salary cap implication of it, if player decide to unretire he becomes FA.
So, he may test himself through that and still, if he wants, be returning and play football.
If he wants to help Packers, retire as Packers he can do that, left team to decide if they want to liberate him for possible returning. Why is it so hard to do? That is more correct to all parties than what he is doing now. But, as he said, that is his life and he has all rights to decide what he want to do and when. Who fu*ks the others! Right?
Philarod
March 13, 2023 at 05:10 pm
Actually, though I won't cite chapter and verse of every Packers playoff game during the Rodgers Era, he's been a very good playoff QB.
As for "giant douche on and off the field"?
I don't see a case for that, either on or off the field.
Off the field, mainly it's about vaccination (and to be clear here, I'm not with him on his stand). But otherwise? What trouble has he ever gotten into off the field? Ever?
He's been somewhat critical of the GM at times, and not beyond what a long-tenured player of his status (note: there aren't many) has done.
And on the field? Has he played hard, played through injuries, and played about as well as any QB in the last 50 years? To me, a resounding YES to all.
jurp
March 13, 2023 at 11:12 am
From the team's perspective, who cares what the fans think if we get the haul that Denver got" (which we would have, IMO - or close to it). The same fans who are screaming at the FO for "disrespecting" Rodgers now would've screamed then, too.
The Packers don't need to worry about any marketing issues as far as the fans are concerned because of the waiting list for Lambeau. Running scared is a terrible way for a business to make decisions. Said businesses often fail.
greengold
March 13, 2023 at 09:32 am
RC, I'm not buying any of that "Love clearly wasn't ready," stuff. Not at all. None of it. That's a statement made without factual basis.
As a fan of the Packers, I wasn't "hoping he'd carry them." Ever. Quite the opposite. The NFL game is a team sport, and Rodgers appears to forget this.
I wanted Rodgers to hand the ball off to a deadly two headed monster in Aaron Jones & Jamaal Williams. And then the three headed monster with the addition of AJ Dillon. I wanted him to save himself the beatings of constant pass rush by helping to turn his stellar backfields into unstoppable forces, NFL rushing leaders, and All-Pro players. And, maybe win more Super Bowls by being unstoppable via both run and pass. Nope.
I wanted Rodgers to embrace young WRs who were getting open, but were rarely thrown to. The entire team would have benefitted had he chosen the route of being more of a game manager, less of a hero baller.
Rodgers' skills have diminished over the last 4 seasons.
Rodgers' legs are gone, and have been for a while now.
Rodgers' accuracy has decreased greatly. (regularly throwing behind receivers for years).
Rodgers' long ball went away at least 3 years ago.
Rodgers refused often to throw to young WRs in our system, to the team's detriment.
Rodgers apparently overruled run plays so he could stat pad in RPO situations, again, to the team's detriment.
Rodgers refused going back well into the end of McCarthy's era to allow his WRs to win contested catch battles, with great regularity, choosing instead to throw the ball away or take a sack.
That's how a QB can game back to back MVP seasons.
RCPackerFan
March 13, 2023 at 09:42 am
You don't have to buy it, but if he was ready, why would GB given Rodgers the contract? That says it all that I needed to know that Love wasn't ready. If Love was ready to be the guy they never would have given Rodgers the contract.
I don't see a big time diminished skill set. He can make every throw needed. His legs definitely weren't as good as the past. But was there injuries? There was a lot that went wrong this year. But not all of it is on Rodgers.
The accuracy is also a part of having new WR's also a broken thumb.
The long ball there are a lot of factors into it other then just the QB.
When did Rodgers refuse to throw to the young WR's? Are you referring to this past year or in the past?
Where is your proof that he "apparently overruled run plays so he could stat pad"?
greengold
March 13, 2023 at 09:59 am
Do you have any idea how much $$$ the Green Bay Packers make in AR merchandise alone?
Have you considered Mark Murphy might have aims other than winning Lombardi Trophies?
Accuracy has been an issue years before the thumb of last season. If you haven't seen him regularly throwing behind WRs or under throwing deep shots since 2021 or prior, then we really have nothing more to talk about.
RCPackerFan
March 13, 2023 at 10:06 am
How much money has Rodgers made GB?
Murphy doesn't care about Super Bowls. His job isn't to care about that. His job is earn the Packers money. With all the moves they have made around Lambeau, that is his mark on the team. He has been instrumental in creating $ outside of what the Packers do on the field.
You are correct, we don't have anything more to talk about.
dobber
March 13, 2023 at 09:43 am
"the OL struggling as bad as they did."
Come back to the point that the OL had some games where they got had, but overall rated as a top-ten pass-blocking unit in aggregate in 2022.
RCPackerFan
March 13, 2023 at 10:04 am
Do you have a break down of what the OL graded as before and after the made the big switch?
dobber
March 13, 2023 at 10:37 am
I'll turn it around and put it this way: here are 12's game stats over the course of the season. You'll notice they're pretty steady all year, with his best statistical games coming early and v. Dallas. He didn't have any big games down the stretch when the Packers were winning, and his QBR is actually--on the aggregate--worse post-Dallas than pre-Dallas (line switch).
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/RodgAa00/gamelog/2022/
There's little here in his play that points to an uptick after changes were made in the OL.
RCPackerFan
March 13, 2023 at 11:00 am
I really wasn't talking about Rodgers. I was more talking about the OL. Just wondering how they graded out before they made the switch compared to how they graded out after they made the switch.
But looking at it, before they made the switch they had 15 sacks in the first 6 games. The final 11 games they gave up 17 sacks. I don't know about pressures and stuff like that.
So to me the OL improved a ton as the season went on and after they made the moves they did.
Coldworld
March 13, 2023 at 01:00 pm
I think we can all agree that the right side of Newman and Hanson wasn’t stellar and that Jenkins was struggling when thrust back in early and out of position. There is your difference. Yet despite a weaker overall set of opponents as it turned out, the offense did not notably improve with a better OL, one good enough to pull us up the rankings dramatically over that period.
Tekraut17
March 13, 2023 at 10:54 am
Well at the time they didn't know DA was intent upon leaving for one. Probably didn't know how Bak/Jenkins/Tonyan were going to be game by game players and most likely didn't know Stokes/Gary/et. al. were going to be out for significant time so it is what it is.
Coldworld
March 13, 2023 at 04:55 pm
Other than Stokes and Gary, I believe they were well aware of the rest from what was and has since been said.
greengold
March 13, 2023 at 09:12 am
Me too. 100%. We weren’t winning anything with that kind of attitude witnessed over these past 4 years. Diminishing skills and non-compliance. Wow.
I’ll be elated when his trade is official.
Amazing how the NY media already overloaded with his antics just one month into this? Two?
Enjoy, NY.
Tekraut17
March 13, 2023 at 10:56 am
Yah because AR didn't block very well on those blocked punts in the SF game...we win that with average "Special" teams play and everything changes...but here we are.
greengold
March 13, 2023 at 11:02 am
You're talking about a completely different subject.
I didn't deny Matt LaFleur his choice of one of the best ST Coaches in NFL history in Rizzi. Mark Murphy didn't want to pay the man. It was his job to pay the man...
Every STs gaffe since LaFleur's hiring can be pinned upon Mark Murphy, to be sure.
Coldworld
March 13, 2023 at 01:13 pm
Thank you Murphy for giving your accountant Russ Ball a say in personnel decisions. Rizzi was expensive wasn’t he Russ? Not getting him set in motion the causes of us losing our last real shot at a Lombardi with Rodgers and to where we are now. No higher price for a publicly owned football team in my view.
greengold
March 13, 2023 at 01:19 pm
Thank you very much for the corroboration, Coldworld. Been thinking along those lines since it happened, which I found for Mark Murphy's bungling to be both on brand & unforgivable.
These things matter.
Untylu1968
March 13, 2023 at 07:43 am
I look forward to seeing how attitudes and efforts will change if Rodgers leaves. The competition should ramp up, with young guys knowing they'll have a chance with Love running the show. Of course Rodgers will have a great year, and we'll have to all the crying from his fan club.
jurp
March 13, 2023 at 08:08 am
He may have a great year, but he'll fail in the playoffs. Yet again.
Coldworld
March 13, 2023 at 08:35 am
The only thing certain is that his remaining great years are numbered. That number may be zero, but a really good roster might enable one or two more. If he really believes that, he will take the Jets offer as Brady took that of the Bucs.
Had Favre not torn his bicep, he would have likely taken the Jets well into the playoffs. Despite revisionism he was playing better than Rodgers before being hurt (and I was a Rodgers booster). That didn’t change the fact that we were right to move on. If Rodgers wins with the Jets, all power to him and them. He won’t be winning it here and his contract will simply be driving us further away for longer.
Bitternotsour
March 13, 2023 at 11:14 pm
He may win the super bowl, but no matter what, he'll never be 24 years old again. That's it. It's time. We have the next quarterback and he's ready. Hand him his gold watch, pat him on the back and wish him well. He may have one or two decent years left, but those years will not be in Green Bay. I'm more than willing to accept that. Time marches on.
Lootstone
March 13, 2023 at 07:15 am
People have the patience of a goldfish. Seriously, if he decides before or after Wednesday, does it matter for the Packers...? Chances are Rodgers wants to bring Lazard or give the Raiders time.
murf7777
March 13, 2023 at 08:12 am
I think it does matter because the Jets, their main suitor for Rodgers might move on with another QB if he doesn’t make his decision this morning and not even by Wednesday. Negotiations with FA’s starts today. Of course, that depends on what the Jets are offering which none of us know. Let’s say the offer is really good for the Packers, then by Rodgers holding off his decision will throw that out the window and other offers could end up being less.
Lootstone
March 13, 2023 at 08:20 am
I don't think Rodgers would jeopardize his legacy and stall just to stall. Plus the front office screwer went public pretty much with the push out of Rodgers. And the Jets don't really have a better option. Lamar, maybe? But who else is worth pursuing?
murf7777
March 13, 2023 at 08:28 am
My guess is if Rodgers doesn't give his ok this morning the Jets will try to sign Grappollo or whoever they think is their next best option. I just can't imagine what is taking Rodgers so long to make this decision, especially when he said he would soon after the SB and wouldn't hold the Packers Hostage.
KnockTheSnotOutOfYou
March 13, 2023 at 01:53 pm
Exactly what I have been thinking Murf!
I think AR has known for many weeks whether he is playing or not, but the stall is for the reason you mention. AR wants to play in GB and he wants all the Packer QB records and he needs to play one more year to achieve that. He is stalling and hoping the Jets' option dries up and the Packers have no choice but to take him back.
packerbackerjim
March 13, 2023 at 08:36 am
The decision does not occur in a vacuum. GMs, FAs, among others, will feel the repercussions of AR’s decision. I will be very much surprised if something isn’t agreed to in principle in the next 24 hours.
jurp
March 13, 2023 at 11:17 am
At this point, I'll be amazed if ANY trade of Rodgers happens. I think he'll wait until the Jets move on and sign an FA, then tell us he's coming back. Oh. Joy. Or maybe he'll wait for April Fool's Day, just to troll us further.
KnockTheSnotOutOfYou
March 13, 2023 at 01:54 pm
Jurp you and Murf are spot on IMO. He is stalling until the Jet's move on.
Bearmeat
March 13, 2023 at 07:22 am
Aaron Rodgers fell from grace so quickly because that's what entitled POS's do. I have nothing more to say about this human penis, other than I am thankful for the years 2009-2014 when he was actually a team player.
RCPackerFan
March 13, 2023 at 07:28 am
Man, he hurt you bad.
Oppy
March 13, 2023 at 07:30 am
He hurt the Packers bad, but an awful lot of Packers fans have fallen for it when Rodgers was pissing on their backs and telling them it's raining.
RCPackerFan
March 13, 2023 at 07:39 am
When did Rodgers piss on our backs?
Oppy
March 13, 2023 at 08:14 am
For the last near decade he's been an issue for this organization and it's been largely ignored.
The easiest example of pissing down your back was all the years he led fans to believe the imbalance between run/pass was a coaching issue as opposed to his own desire to check out of run plays.
This guy has been deceiving the fans so regularly over the last decade it makes the head spin.
RCPackerFan
March 13, 2023 at 08:22 am
How has he been an issue for the organization for the last decade?
How do you know what plays he checked out of a run play to a pass play? Do you have proof of this?
What has he deceived us fans of for the last decade?
greengold
March 13, 2023 at 09:06 am
RC, I can’t believe you are blind to AR’s schtick. Completely. He’s been playing Mark Murphy and the rest of us fans like a fiddle since before McCarthy’s firing.
We really should have jettisoned both at the same time.
His 2 recent MVPs were all he cared about, and he gamed them by:
1. Only throwing to trusted veterans.
2. Never throwing into contested catch situations, even when desperately needed.
3. Removing “Run” from RPO.
MVS wears a Super Bowl ring. Proudly, and he should.
Aaron Rodgers’ accuracy has been failing him for the last 3 years, despite those MVPs. We all saw it. He’s been throwing behind receivers through that time, and lost his long ball.
If you can’t say you haven’t seen that… I don’t know what more there is to talk about on AR.
RCPackerFan
March 13, 2023 at 09:24 am
blind to what schtick? Everyone talks in cryptic anymore. I ask questions and no one answers them. How has he played Murphy?
"Only throwing to trusted veterans." What players was he supposed to throw to? Adams the best WR in the league, why wouldn't he throw to him?
"Never throwing into contested catch situations, even when desperately needed" When he was throwing contested catches to Adams, people complained.
"Removing “Run” from RPO." The RPO's really only work with mobile QB's who offer the threat to run. The amount of RPO's they did early in the season didn't work because there was no threat of Rodgers to run.
He missed a number of deep throws. But some of those are timing. Its easy to make an observation, but we need some facts to go with it. How many of the deep throws did the WR slow down on? How many did the WR run the wrong route? How many did the WR get bumped on the play throwing the timing off? There is a lot that goes into this stuff. I know he threw an absolute dime on the first play of the season that was dropped. He also had another on in the Dallas game that got Watson going after that.
Its easy to place blame on stuff, but while placing blame have an open mind and understand the circumstances.
greengold
March 13, 2023 at 09:49 am
Don't give me that BS. Adams. pffft. I have nothing against you personally, but you are coming off like Aaron Rodgers' shill. It's just been so over the top, RC.
I suppose you loved how he threw into triple coverage to Adams in his wild fantasy that it would somehow keep Davante in GB, while ignoring every other Packers WR for an entire 3 Quarters in our last playoff game?
Look what MVS did for KC.
Rodgers refused to hand the damn ball off, consistently, for the last 6 years or more. It is plain as day.
Take those "circumstances" and shove 'em. I know what I've been seeing. My eyes have not been deceiving me.
dobber
March 13, 2023 at 10:12 am
"Look what MVS did for KC."
He was in KC exactly what he was in GB: a couple big games per season, but otherwise mostly invisible or replaceable.
greengold
March 13, 2023 at 10:32 am
Not really, dobs.
MVS was targeted more playing with KC than ever through 5 seasons. More receptions too.
MVS had more 1D conversions than he ever had in a season. More Receptions per game. More touches per game. Was just 3 yds off of his season high with GB for Total receiving yds.
MVS had his highest number of snaps with KC than in any other postseason with GB.
MVS scored more TDs with KC than in any other postseason with GB.
dobber
March 13, 2023 at 10:44 am
Granted on targets and on 1D. Not trying to be a turd, but I think you're making more out of his numbers and performance than is really there.
We'll have to agree to disagree, but MVS--esp. WRT his contract--was no major loss and was nothing stellar in KC.
greengold
March 13, 2023 at 11:12 am
Eh, I know... It was a flippant comment because I'm torqued with the whole thing.
Frankly, this Aaron Rodgers bullshit has pissed me off for a solid 3-4 years. He's a tweaker. Tweakers are all about controlling others for their own personal gain. I got lucky in having some numbers to share...!!! LOL.
I didn't think MVS deserved $10M - *from the Packers. I question how badly MVS wanted to stay in GB. To me, it seemed AR took his, "you have to earn my trust," routine way over the top, to the point where the development of some players was hindered.
My bigger point was he often chose his hottest targets to throw to, and his motivations in so doing were geared more towards MVP trophies than winning Championships.
RCPackerFan
March 13, 2023 at 10:32 am
I'm trying to keep things on the level. I'm not talking with emotions like you and others have been. The problem is when people try to talk with reasoning, people with emotions react poorly to them.
What did MVS do in KC that he didn't do in GB?
The best comparison we can make is 2020 to this year where he played in every game each season. You tell me which year he played in GB and what year he played in KC without looking it up.
In one year he had 42 receptions 687 yards 16.4 avg, 2 TD's.
In another year he had 33 receptions 690 yards 20.9 avg, 6 TD's.
MainePackFan
March 13, 2023 at 09:58 am
gg. I watched the 2010 Super Bowl on NFL network yesterday, and then some film from this last season. The things I noticed more than anything was his accuracy on deep throws and his mobility.
However, In spite of the opinion of many in here, neither have diminished to a point of no return. It's not like watching Drew Brees or Peyton Manning at the end. Is he 25 year old AR? Nope. Nor should anyone have expected him to be. He is still an upper echelon, if not elite NFL QB capable of making all the throws.
greengold
March 13, 2023 at 10:08 am
Maine, I agree they haven't completely left him, but, he's nowhere near what he once was. Rodgers won two MVPs despite his diminishing skills and physical abilities.
His wheels are gone. His long ball is gone. His accuracy no where close to what it was. In spite of that, he's still better than many other QBs under Center in this NFL.
That's really all I am saying, along with the fact the man needs an attitude adjustment, which will never happen.
MainePackFan
March 13, 2023 at 10:23 am
"That's really all I am saying, along with the fact the man needs an attitude adjustment, which will never happen."
This a completely different discussion gg. One not likely to be resolved with any debate here at CHTV. If I say a comedian is funny, and you say he isn't, who is right :)
I will say this, if AR's contract was 35M this year with a team option for 35M next year, you can bet half the league would be jumping at the chance to grab him. It's not AR's eroding skills, nor his "personality issues" that scares teams away. It's his contract plain and simple.
jurp
March 13, 2023 at 11:20 am
Elite QBs don't have 91.1 passer ratings.
MainePackFan
March 13, 2023 at 11:45 am
so what do elite QB's have for passer rating?
Coldworld
March 13, 2023 at 01:45 pm
Historically, it was originally thought of as any rating over 100. Last season 6 QBs with meaningful playing time achieved that. I6 scored above Rodgers. Interestingly, since he’s put himself out there as willing to be our back up, Taylor Heineke was very close behind Rodgers.
1 Brock Purdy San Francisco 49ers QB 108.0
2 Patrick Mahomes Kansas City Chiefs QB 106.4
3 Tua Tagovailoa Miami Dolphins QB 105
4 Jimmy Garoppolo San Francisco 49ers QB 103.0
5 Jalen Hurts Philadelphia Eagles QB 100.8
6 Geno Smith Seattle Seahawks QB 100.8
——///——-
7 Jared Goff Detroit Lions QB 99.3
8 Joe Burrow Cincinnati Bengals QB 99.0
9 Andy Dalton New Orleans Saints QB 95.2
10 Ryan Tannehill Tennessee Titans QB 94.6
11 Josh Allen Buffalo Bills QB 94.5
12 Kirk Cousins Minnesota Vikings QB 93.7
13 Dak Prescott Dallas Cowboys QB 92.7
14 Justin Herbert Los Angeles Chargers QB 92.7
15 Trevor Lawrence Jacksonville Jaguars QB 92.2
16 Daniel Jones New York Giants QB 92.0
17 Aaron Rodgers Green Bay Packers QB 91.1
——///——
18 Lamar Jackson Baltimore Ravens QB 91.1
19 Taylor Heinicke Washington Commanders QB 89.6
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MainePackFan
March 13, 2023 at 02:29 pm
CW, the list on ESPN was a little different. I looked at it after responding to jurp. For some reason It didn't list Purdy, but it did have Burrow as the 6th at 100.8
So it appears that Allen, Jackson, Brady and Rodgers (to name a few) would not be elite. Whereas Purdy, Tua, Jimmy G and Geno are. I'm not sure I would use just the QB rating as a one year quantifier to determine "elite" status.
Coldworld
March 13, 2023 at 05:01 pm
I suspect the variation depends on the game/snap cut off applied. I just responded to your question as to what has typically constituted an elite QB rating and listed those who played significant non garbage snaps. Personally, no one season makes any QB elite for me in the broader sense. However, the list does give a reasonable comparative of performance last year under that measure and where Rodgers’ falls comparatively.
MainePackFan
March 13, 2023 at 06:32 pm
" Personally, no one season makes any QB elite for me in the broader sense"
Nor in a vacuum does it make them a bum. That was my point.
greengold
March 13, 2023 at 09:40 am
Every season for the past 6 years or more.
KnockTheSnotOutOfYou
March 13, 2023 at 01:55 pm
RCP,
Actually, he has hurt the Packers the past several years.
The_Baloney_Stops_Here
March 13, 2023 at 10:13 am
"human penis" lmfao
RCPackerFan
March 13, 2023 at 07:27 am
"Meanwhile Jordan Love was showing impressive improvement in all aspects of his game. In a brief appearance against the eventual NFC champion Philadelphia Eagles, Love threw with authority and accuracy, leading the team to a pair of scoring drives."
Don't get me wrong, Love looked the best he ever looked against the Eagles. He played the best we have seen of him as a pro. But serious question. Are we putting to much emphasis on this 1 game?
We don't know how much more he has improved since we haven't seen it.
In this game Love threw 9 passes. He completed 6 passes for 113 yards. he had a passing rating of 146.8. He was very good that day. In that game Love took over in the 4th quarter with 11:11 left. Packers were down 37-23. His 4th play he hit Watson for a 63 yard TD, to bring it to 37-30. Eagles scored a FG on the next drive making it 40-30. Nixon returned the following kickoff to the 47. Packers got the ball back with 2:09 left. Love drove them to the 15 where they kicked a FG, making it 40-33. Packers didn't get the ball after that. There have been various players saying they were playing prevent defense and others saying they weren't. Regardless if they were or weren't, Loves accuracy and command of the offense were no doubt better.
But realistically that game Love had 2 drives and scored 10 points. The TD, was hitting Watson on a slant and Watson outrunning the defense. The FG drive, he made good plays, and had some good throws.
Don't get me wrong, he looked different. He felt different. But we never saw him in practice, so we have no idea how much he improved there. I am just asking are we as fans and media placing too much faith on Love based on this one performance?
Lootstone
March 13, 2023 at 07:40 am
Finally, someone who isn't thinking with emotion. Thank you. I was curios to the fan base reaction this morning, but wow was is this a break up type situation for GB. Everyone is so desperate for the "next" relationship, I hope Jordan can continue to improve because so far IMO he's been a great pocket passer, and that's it. Under pressure, the man needs practice. He hasn't proven to be better/as good as Rodgers yet, but because of the new passer weapons he has an opportunity to grow some rapport with his receivers. I personally would have another QB on scout or shoot for some sort of back up plan.
If Love doesn't perform 8 games into the season then what Packer fans? Let Rodgers choose what he wants; the guy has earned it. Not perfect, and pretty sure he likes trolling at this point, but the narratives and reactions make it too easy and the guy is going to make sure he makes the right decision.
Coldworld
March 13, 2023 at 07:58 am
The past is a false comfort and misses the point. If Love fails it’s on to the next candidate, but your thinking implicitly assumes that 2023 Rodgers would succeed significantly better. He didn’t succeed well enough last year to make that materially significant. I actually don’t think that’s all in him: coaching is a part of it. Injuries are inevitable, they aren’t a valid excuse for what we saw. Nevertheless, where we are at and Rodgers didn’t stack up past year and doesn’t this. It’s simply time ti part. We aren’t winning with him, we may as well find out if we can with Love to start out and heal our cap in the process.
jurp
March 13, 2023 at 08:11 am
And isn't the 24 draft supposed to be pretty well-stocked with good QB prospects? If we lose with Love then we'll have decent draft position and could snag his replacement or good backup.
Coldworld
March 13, 2023 at 08:28 am
My thought reading this piece is that there is yet again a huge and obvious piece missing: the coaching issues we’ve all discussed at length.
This omission, which is almost a fixture here it seems, has a side effect in that it very much focuses every thing on Rodgers, over blowing his share if responsibility and, since many people have emotion vested in him, ratchets up the heat of the discussion by personalizing it.
Rodgers may well have covered incompetence off the field for a while. Certainly he’s not responsible for Barry, Drayton etc. with him gone, we finally get to see who is what. I fear that’s as necessary as anything if we are to return to relevance.
The_Baloney_Stops_Here
March 13, 2023 at 10:27 am
Love's not even the starter yet and were already discussing drafting his replacement? Fellas, have a little faith. This organization leaves a lot to be desired for sure, but the one thing they get right more than literally any other team in the history of the sport is the quarterback position. Combine the track record (developed 5 pro bowl qbs in 30 years) with Love's awesome natural talent and 3 years of stress and hit-free learning, and theres absolutely no reason to think Love wont shine. Everything is in his favor and he's going to be special. Im calling it right now. The Packers did it again. All thats left is for Rodgers to buy the next one-way ticket out of town so #10 can prove it.
jurp
March 13, 2023 at 11:24 am
Not thinking that Love will fail, but just planning for the future. If you've remembered my posts about Love, I think he's going to be a star, which is why I think the people who want us to trade him are nuts.
Regardless of who's under center this year, I strongly expect the Packers to take a QB in R2 or R3 in the next draft, if for no other reason that to groom a reliable backup. Remember what Wolf did when we had Favre (Pederson, Flynn, Brunell).
Coldworld
March 13, 2023 at 01:28 pm
Just pointing out that the rationale for moving on from Rodgers is not dependent on Love but independent of him. He’s simply next up and, since he’s not tested, some element if doubt as to his ceiling is undeniable (I think if it as the Brohm caution).
We simply have reached a point where Rodgers’ is no longer a positive match for the Packers. In fact we had last year, but then contractually exacerbated it. There’s no justification for going further than that.
Lootstone
March 13, 2023 at 08:13 am
Rodgers did decline but why? Didn't bond with his receivers, broke his thumb, and the management committed too much to Rodgers painting him black now unfortunately. You think he wanted to even admit he broke his thumb with the contract he had? I don't think he even believed he deserved the contract he had once he broke the thumb. Why else did he hide it? He knew his replacement was knocking. He was the only one honest on Pat McAfee when he said, "I have a hunch" they don't want me in GB anymore. All while management/coaching said, oh no we want Rodgers next year. This is what management is supposed to prevent from happening. Hope the front office learned what they needed for the next dynasty.
RCPackerFan
March 13, 2023 at 08:06 am
I have no clue what is going on at 1265.
I have no clue if and where Rodgers will be playing. Maybe we will find out today. No clue.
But I feel like a lot of people are looking strictly at the Eagles game and saying because of that he is our next HOF QB. Which he maybe will be. But there is a a good chance he won't be too.
We weren't at practices to see what happened. We only have this game to go by.
I will say that if Love struggles for the majority of the season, what will fans reactions be like towards him? Look how much hate Rodgers gets. Look how much hate other players and coaches get when they lose a game.
Hopefully that won't be the case. Hopefully if he is our starting QB he has some good success and fans allow him time to have growing pains.
jurp
March 13, 2023 at 08:12 am
It would've been nice if we could've benched Rodgers with his broken thumb and started Love with gameplans specifically for him so that we could've seen what we really have with Love. Don't know who to blame for THAT decision...
RCPackerFan
March 13, 2023 at 08:27 am
If Rodgers comes back, it really wouldn't matter I guess.
But if Love is our starting QB, it definitely would have been the best thing if they could have gotten him more playing time.
I seen a lot of people talking about how Love would have game plans specifically designed for him. My question with that, is what would be different from him to Rodgers?
I don't see them doing a lot of different stuff if Love is the starting QB. I mean it is still the offense of LaFleur.
Coldworld
March 13, 2023 at 09:08 am
Rodgers coming back now will be a new level of bad. He and the entire world know he’s not wanted. It’s in the record now. We also know they can’t cut him. There will be no trust.
If he returns, I doubt another team will try to trade for him after he walked from the Jets. I suspect that he’s eventually cut with a post June 1 designation. We take the cap hit spread over 2 years by exercising the option and get nothing for him, just because that cohabitation would be worse and his contractual cap burdens grow vastly if he’s on the starting roster. There’s no way now that the Packers can let that trigger.
I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s what Rodgers now wants: true free agency to play anywhere he wants or not. He may yet get what Favre had to wait a year for. If Rodgers doesn’t accept the Jets soon he’s starting to restrict their options to maximize the strength around him. They won’t wait too long as that diminishes his value while other options disappear.
If Rodgers rejects the Jets, I am now pretty certain he will never play another down for the Packers and we won’t get anything for him. We have crossed the Rubicon now. Then we should be looking straight at Murphy for what he has cost us. This won’t be pretty.
RCPackerFan
March 13, 2023 at 09:26 am
It would be a whole new level of bad because a majority of fans already have in their minds that he is gone. And if he would come back, this website along with twitter will have the biggest meltdown we have ever seen.
Coldworld
March 13, 2023 at 09:44 am
If he comes back, I wouldn’t worry about Twitter or what we think. That will merely be a sideshow.
RCPackerFan
March 13, 2023 at 11:01 am
it will be very loud and obnoxious.
Coldworld
March 13, 2023 at 01:49 pm
It will be, but nothing on the ructions within Lambeau.
jurp
March 13, 2023 at 11:27 am
"I mean it is still the offense of LaFleur."
Perhaps, but all indications since Scooter was hired is that he had to consult with Rodgers to "make it work" for him. This has implied that plays that Rodgers doesn't like have been replaced by the McCarthyesque plays he DOES like. This could (I stress COULD) be why we've seen no Illusion of Complexity since Scooter's first year. But as Coldworld has been saying, for all we know Rodgers has kept Scooter from being exposed as a terrible coach.
With Rodgers gone, Scooter could retool the offense back to what he envisioned when hired in 2018 (improved by experience, one would also hope).
RCPackerFan
March 13, 2023 at 11:47 am
Why wouldn't the coach include Rodgers or whoever their starting QB is, in those discussions? Why wouldn't he try to work with his QB to get him comfortable in what they are doing?
Didn't Brady and Manning each work with their coaches to come up with a scheme that they liked?
croatpackfan
March 13, 2023 at 12:50 pm
Because ACR demanded to be involved in players acquisitions, game planning and play calling. You forgot that from a year ago? It was said and it was visible. How many pre snap movement you saw last season? ACR publicly said he hate that. Why do you think Packers played not fully recovered David Bakhtiari at the end of 2021 season vs Lions, where he played obviously not completely healed and prolonged his return to the field. Packers medical staff is one off the most conservative one in the whole NFL when it comes to decisions will or not injured player can or will play. Still, ACR was left to play with broken thumb?? David Bakhtiari get medical clearance to play vs Lions not healed completely?? All other players were held out until fully recovered from injuries, how it come that ACR did not finished with his injury sidelined? Because he get rights to decide who plays who not!
C'man RCPF wake up!
Oppy
March 13, 2023 at 08:20 am
There's even some people who were ready and willing for Rodgers to be moved before Jordan Love entered the NFL.
Go figure.
Consider that maybe it's just as much about what Rodgers isn't as it is about what Love might be.
Rodgers is not the future. He hasn't come through in the biggest moments. He's not getting younger. He's not exactly an honest man. Bye bye 12. On to the future.
RCPackerFan
March 13, 2023 at 08:29 am
Yeah, those would be called Rodgers haters. Most likely most of those people hated Rodgers from the minute he was drafted. I know those people. Even during the super bowl those people were pissed because he missed a throw or 2.
We can have conversations about those "big moments". Rodgers definitely has missed things at times. But also if we have those conversations do we get to talk about other things that happen outside of his control?
How is Rodgers not an honest man? What hasn't he been honest about?
BirdDogUni
March 13, 2023 at 10:33 am
Some people think he's a liar and deceived people with the "immunized" comments...
Most people who "still" believe the whole BS covid narrative were disgusted with AR for his critical thinking. (How dare he not buy into the whole Fauci led lie fest.)
How dare he go against Big Pharma and the leftist's narrative. Many people thought AR12 was a hippie leftist and when they found out he was a critical thinker it crushed their souls because he didn't think as they do.
Anyone who doesn't think as they do are Nazi, Fascist, racists...
Naturally, I love the guy! ; P
RCPackerFan
March 13, 2023 at 11:06 am
Agreed!
jurp
March 13, 2023 at 11:31 am
BDU - I assume since you don't believe the CDC that you no longer see doctors or take medications seeing as how the CDC and other government agencies control most of our medical and pharmaceutical practices.
If you still see licensed medical practitioners or take any prescription medicine, then I'm sad to say that you're a hypocrite.
Calling AR a "critical thinker" is like calling "water solid". He's a thinker, but he's not a critical one.
Oppy
March 13, 2023 at 01:24 pm
I identified the tactics Rodgers regularly uses to deceive the fans and the press as far back as 2015. I repeatedly attempted to illustrate these tendencies here. lol and behold, he got caught using those exact same deceit tactics with the Covid immunization situation. I know a liar when I see one.
Like I said, you guys just keep on believing it’s raining. You’re the folks PT barnum was talking about.
Ferrari-Driver
March 13, 2023 at 10:56 am
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RCPackerFan
March 13, 2023 at 11:07 am
I was just about to respond to this. Oh well.
Untylu1968
March 13, 2023 at 08:45 am
The sad part is that we had the perfect opportunity last season, to find out what we have in Love. I take it as a positive sign that Rodgers didn't want Love to get a chance to shine. Aaron knows his replacement is ready to roll.
RCPackerFan
March 13, 2023 at 09:02 am
I have thought about that as well. Maybe Rodgers saw the light was going on with Love and he didn't want him to have an opportunity to show what he could do.
That being said, I have to say Rodgers is an ultra competitive guy and why would he willingly sit if he feels like he can play.
jurp
March 13, 2023 at 11:32 am
Why should he have sat? Because he had a broken thumb which definitely hampered his play. He should've sat for the good of the team.
RCPackerFan
March 13, 2023 at 11:53 am
When you are that competitive, why would you concede to someone else? When you think you give the team the best chance to win, no matter how hurt you are, why would you sit for someone else?
For the record i want my QB to want to play through everything they can.
croatpackfan
March 13, 2023 at 01:05 pm
Read carefully now RCPF:
BECAUSE IT IS NOT ABOUT SINGLE PLAYER! IT IS ABOUT TEAM! IF YOU ARE NOT 100% YOU HURTS TEAM! IN TEAM SPORT THERE IS NO EGOISM AND NO STEEL MAN SH*T!
Do you understand? Because some of those players might be released and their future salary might be lower because people believe in sh*ts brought by ACR!
Because in team sports selfish egoists are rarely successful, no matter how good they are! If you are not willing to put yourself in for good of your team mates, go, find some individual sport, like golf. But then you'll need to face that for every mistake you made, you are accountable, no others on which you can throw over your own fails. That is why your beloved QB is not willing to play tournaments for money. He would need to accept he is not that good as he think he is.
After all, this story with ACR is very sad story. Soon he will learn that all that money can not bring you happiness, just from time to time joy. And having more money does not mean you are better than others. Whole world knows about Albert Einstein - just US citizens and probably American continent and Europe knows about him. But tomorrow someone else will become star and he will be forgotten. So sad.
Coldworld
March 13, 2023 at 01:08 pm
What is the definition of “can” in that context? I want a coach who will pull a QB if he feels that continuing will hurt the team in current or future games. That should never be a player decision alone. If Rodgers thumb was as big a deal as some seem to claim—it’s an injury that can be debilitating or simply unpleasant—then he should not have been out there. If not, we need to just face up to the fact that he just was not good and it’s a manufactured excuse for that. Cant have it both ways.
Leatherhead
March 13, 2023 at 01:41 pm
I remain kind of curious about why Love didn't get on the field during that stretch. Obviously, his hand hurt because you'd see him get up holding it or shaking it. And he wasn't playing that well, and the team was losing. We went 0-4 and scored 57 points against the Jets, Commies, Bills, and Lions. The Lions defense was bad, obviously, but the other three teams all finished the year in the Top 7 in scoring defense. So although part of it was the injury, IMO, these were also good defenses. We just weren't good enough on offense with an injured QB.
To me, if you give him a week or two off so his hand can recover, it gives you an opportunity to see what Love does. The only problem I can see is if the offense starts hitting 30 or more then people are going to start asking the obvious question when Rodgers is healed, and then that would be a distraction you don't want.
I get that there's a downside to replacing Rodgers in the middle of the season if you don't absolutely have to, but there's also a downside to not replacing him as the starter.
It was probably a borderline decision last year to bring him back, and the Packers have crossed the border.
I know how to put a smile on your face , Coldworld. How's this? Warning: This is Not True.
The Packers and Jets agreed today to exchange All-Universe Aaron Rodgers for 2nd round pick and financial considerations . The details are not yet known, but it provides substantial relief to the team.
Coldworld
March 13, 2023 at 01:53 pm
Sadly it isn’t true, but a valiant try.
T7Steve
March 13, 2023 at 07:52 am
I think Rodgers sitting out OTAs and his thumb injury helped Love the most last season, because he worked with the 1s throughout the whole year. That's how you improve as a QB. The players got to know and trust him while at the same time they were getting in sync.
Call the Eagles' game his final exam or internship.
RCPackerFan
March 13, 2023 at 08:09 am
Yeah that probably helped him out a ton.
But what I'm saying is we haven't seen it and we don't really know. The Packers don't really know either to be fair. The next step is to play games.
With what we have seen, we have only seen the Eagles game. So I'm asking are we putting way to much emphasis on this one game?
T7Steve
March 13, 2023 at 08:34 am
Would you rather draft and start a rookie? There's always an unknown. I think Love's through the learning curve rookies go through that we were fortunate enough to have. How many teams get this opportunity? We've had it twice in a row. I can think of Montana to Young. There must be more, but I'm drawing a blank. If you lower your criteria, maybe Smith to Maholmes?
How will Rodgers play next year? Like last year, or the year before? Will he keep falling off the cliff or get back to MVP play? There's always an unknown. What's not unknown is his cap hit.
Isn't the NFL great?
RCPackerFan
March 13, 2023 at 09:07 am
Personally I like the Packers approach. Draft a guy, let him sit without pressure to play right away, allowing him to develop.
I do think Mahommes sitting a year helped him. I think its better to allow the guys to develop. Sometimes it works for them to start right away. But I think overall its better to let them wait until they are ready to take over, then to put them out there when they aren't ready.
For Rodgers, IF he were back in GB, I think he is closer to the MVP performance then he was a year ago. Reasons why is the OL is better, the WR's will be better. I think those 2 reasons are why he is better. As for him going elsewhere, maybe he is better, but a new team, new WR's, i think it will be a bit of a struggle.
Coldworld
March 13, 2023 at 10:02 am
Rodgers will never play another down for Green Bay. He will end up getting cut with a post June 1 designation with the option exercised to avoid the one year mega hit.
Rodgers is then free to play or not play on his terms and for whomever he likes, walks away with a ton of money. There’s no way, with where we are and his contract that coexistence will work and no way we trigger greater liabilities by having him in the roster to start the season.
It’s over. The only question is whether we get anything or simply have to eat suffocating cap amounts thanks to Murphy agreeing to that extension last year.
It’s time to move on from hoping to see Rodgers as a Packer. Fingers crossed he takes the Jets offer. If not, it’s going to be ugly and Rodgers will get what he wants and we will not.
RCPackerFan
March 13, 2023 at 11:08 am
You very well could be correct.
I am just saying with everything going on, I have no clue what will happen.
I would have thought had he wanted to be a Jet, he would have by now.
croatpackfan
March 13, 2023 at 01:12 pm
For you only RCPF:
https://youtu.be/e4AlN9DSnVE
Go, look what someone who is QB evaluator can say you of Jordan Love playing in KC. It will be interesting and it is contra what many here wants to tell - that Jordan Love is a bust!
Then, come back end tells us that he was not ready last season! He was ready, but lack in game experience. He is fast learner and he would improve very fast by playing. We would have same if not better score at the end.
I really search a lot of evaluation of Jordan Love and all of them tells the same story - Jordan Love is unbelievably talented QB!
barutanseijin
March 13, 2023 at 03:17 pm
Here’s another scenario: Rodgers never OKs the Jets deal, the Jets move on and the Packers are stuck with Rodgers. They cut him in June — and no one wants him.
barutanseijin
March 13, 2023 at 07:31 pm
Don’t stop believing that Rodgers is the greatest if only for Capers, the reffffs, MM, the Packers defense, Pettine, TT, Gutekunst, vaccination boosters, Barry, MLF, Murphy, Pettine, rookie receivers, older receivers, the O-line, Anthony Barr, Greg Jennings, Jermichael Finley, Florio, McGinn, Dunne, Silverstein, haters… everything and anything under the sun. He’s going to win it all next year with The Big Chip on his Shoulder. Or the year after that. Surely. Because he’s the greatest.
jurp
March 13, 2023 at 08:13 am
I think Clement had more than a little to do with it, too. Good thing he's coming back.
MainePackFan
March 13, 2023 at 08:40 am
You're right jurp, I don't believe it was a coincidence that we saw a big improvement from JL this year.
RCPackerFan
March 13, 2023 at 09:09 am
I think Clements coming in possibly helped Love more then anyone will know. Loves footwork and timing was so much better this year then before. I think him coming back will only improve Love more.
J-Rome
March 13, 2023 at 09:15 am
You're right in that there are no guarantees with Love, we don't know how good he will be. I would argue we don't really know that with Rodgers either. I think we will see a different offense with Love because it won't be hybridized with Rodgers ideas. The offense in the Lions game looked suspiciously similar to McCarthy's offense at the end that relied on receivers running go routes and having to win on the route, not getting schemed open. When things go wrong Rodgers seems to revert back to that. I'd like to see what the offense looks like with someone else at the helm.
RCPackerFan
March 13, 2023 at 09:36 am
I think with Rodgers we have a good idea of what we would be getting back. Last year the thumb injury hurt, and that would be healed. The OL is better, and the WR's he will have a better rapport with.
As for Love, we just don't know. I think we see a little more RPO, and roll out/bootlegs then with Rodgers. But the offense itself will look similar to what we have seen. I don't see a significant difference.
Coldworld
March 13, 2023 at 10:11 am
If you are correct that the offense will resemble that of the last 2 years, then we will have a new Head Coach by this time next year.
RCPackerFan
March 13, 2023 at 11:12 am
Why would we?
The way the offense has ran there is nothing wrong with it. Its a play action style offense. I'm sure they would change some things to use Loves athleticism that Rodgers no longer has, but for the most part it will be similar style.
There is nothing wrong with the offense. They just need more talent to run it. Look at what happened once Watson started emerging. The offense looked night and day better.
barutanseijin
March 13, 2023 at 03:20 pm
For once we agree RC. The Packers would know exactly what they’re getting in a going-on-40 Aaron Rodgers: a washed up quarterback who can’t move very well, can’t hit the long ones and doesn’t cooperate with teammates or coaches.
KnockTheSnotOutOfYou
March 13, 2023 at 01:57 pm
RCP,
Respectfully my friend I am glad you are not a GM for the Packers. FYI - none of the players in the draft have played even one down in the NFL. What do you do?
MainePackFan
March 13, 2023 at 03:33 pm
"Respectfully my friend I am glad you are not a GM for the Packers."
Knock.
it's safe to say that assessment would apply to all of us in here : )
BFK
March 13, 2023 at 10:38 pm
I agree with RC Packer Fan. Is Rodgers a diva with his personality quirks and is he bullheaded ? 1000% no doubt. Does he drive Packer fans bananas with his yearly waffling ? Absolutely
1000%! Did Jordan Love look great against Philly ? Yes, he looked the best he has as a pro. However, the Eagles let up some. There was no way Love was going to lead a miracle comeback. The Packers seem like they want to compete, so if Rodgers is traded they will need a veteran and probably draft a QB as a hedge against Love. Some may think I am nuts, but Jones takes a paycut to stay, Bakhtiari restructures his contract and Nixon comes back. Does that sound like rebuilding? Love might be a first year starter, but it also sounds like he will have some pressure to perform.
BFK
March 13, 2023 at 11:04 pm
If Love was ready why not give him a "tryout" after Rodgers broke his thumb ? The Packers and the fans would have had a larger sample of games to see him against "live bullets."
greengold
March 13, 2023 at 07:28 am
Aaron Rodgers: “I don’t want to make anyone wait.”
Also Aaron Rodgers: “It puts the lotion on its skin.”
Oppy
March 13, 2023 at 07:32 am
Fallen out of grace quickly?
Maybe for the fans who ignored all the warning signs because they just wanted to believe Rodgers was infallible.
Rodgers has been showing his true colors since at least 2016. It's always been there to see if you cared to look.
greengold
March 13, 2023 at 07:49 am
Name one game of great consequence that AR helped to win in the last 12 seasons. Anybody…
Can fans honestly say he gave his receivers every chance to win a contested catch battle when it mattered most, or did he choose the stat padding throw away? Take the sack?
Personally, I think there should be an asterisk next to his last two MVPs, because he gamed that system of TD:INT, and made a mockery of RPOs.
He and his self absorption can’t hit the road fast enough as far as I’m concerned.
Go Pack. For reals.
dobber
March 13, 2023 at 09:11 am
"Personally, I think there should be an asterisk next to his last two MVPs, because he gamed that system of TD:INT, and made a mockery of RPOs."
He didn't reprogram the Kobayashi Maru simulation or cheat anything. He played the games, the Packers won a lot of games, and the voters voted for him--even with significant, "I won't vote for him" sentiment in 2021. His 2020 season was really good. His 2021 was not as good as 2020, but nobody else blew it out of the park either. Move on.
"Name one game of great consequence that AR helped to win in the last 12 seasons. "
The goal posts are too mobile on a statement like that. It's also too backward-looking.
I'm ready for him to go, too, and I've taken my jabs at 12, but the Packers likely win more games with him under center in 2023 than with Jordan Love. There is so far NO objective basis (faith and hope don't get you there) on which to say that Love wins more games than a healthy 12--20-some snaps in Philly doesn't do it, but it gives us hope.
I think 12 needs to go because his contract is about to truly become the beast that everyone makes it out to be...and that's at least as much on the Packers as it is 12. The cap hits have been mitigated thus far, and his 2023 cap hit isn't brutal, but the options that vest and the cap hits in 2024 on are team-crippling. This is their chance to get out. It needs to happen.
This whole situation needs to be forward-looking and one of stark objectivism--or as close as those involved can get--based on every aspect of the organization that touches the field. The organization is surely signaling it's time.
Leatherhead
March 13, 2023 at 02:15 pm
Well, there was the playoff win against Dallas in 2016. I don't know if anything less than a Championship Game is considered of "great consequence", but the Packers don't win that game without Rodgers playing miraculously. And we've won other playoff games, and multiple regular season games that you have to win to get invited to the dance.
He's been a significant asset of this organization for a long time, and he still may have value to us yet in terms of the trade. However,
I have to at least take a shot at arguing why the Packers win more games with Love than Rodgers.
First, we're going to win more games than last year. Second, we're going to score more points than last year, and the one substantial player that is different is at QB. Still Jones and Dillon. Still Watson and Doubs. Still Bakhtiari-Jenkins-Nijman-Runyan-Myers-Tom blocking Possibly still Tonyan and Deguara at TE. It's mostly the same guys.
So, if we score more points than last year, with mostly the same people, I think that would a strong hint that maybe Love is a better QB for the Packers in 2023 than Rodgers would be. Rodgers is 62 years old....he could get injured. It happens.
So no, I'm not going to concede that point.
croatpackfan
March 13, 2023 at 02:21 pm
I do not agree with you on this:
"...but the Packers likely win more games with him under center in 2023 than with Jordan Love."
He is not 100% in football. You can say that by his talking on McAfee show. He has so many interests beside football (which is not bad for any person) that he just does the playing, not playing with a full heart. You can see it clearly.
jannesbjornson
March 13, 2023 at 09:24 am
@ Dallas. Deep shot to Cook. Crosby FG off to Atlanta for the NFC CH.
greengold
March 13, 2023 at 10:48 am
Yes. No doubt. There's one game. Congratulations!
You win a cookie.
jannesbjornson
March 13, 2023 at 11:22 am
I really hope you do not want to read a screed 10 pages long to assuage your Fear of Rodgers returning to cheeseland.
Lphill
March 13, 2023 at 10:15 am
GG Please list all the 1 st round receivers the Packers drafted for Rodgers.
greengold
March 13, 2023 at 10:46 am
Ugh. Have a sense of the quality ratio realized by selecting a WR in the 1st Round. It's nearly identical to that found in the 2nd Round.
dobber
March 13, 2023 at 10:49 am
He won a SB with primarily 2nd (and 7th, Driver) round WR.
But he's not that player, now, and he won't be 2010, 2014, or 2016 AR even if you surround him with 1st round WR.
Leatherhead
March 13, 2023 at 02:28 pm
Truly, if I were Rodgers, I'd be embarassed to even hint that the reason I didn't win more big games was because my WRs weren't very good.
Driver. Gregshells Jennings. Jordy the Great. James Jones. Davante Adams, MVS, Lazard, Watson.
The Packers have had a lot of success, but they've lost some big games. Not because their WRs weren't any good.
Guam
March 13, 2023 at 07:45 am
When Davantae Adams gave notice he wasn't playing in Green Bay anymore, it was time to move on from Rodgers too. Yes the team would take some lumps, particularly if Jordan Love wasn't ready, but trying to win a Super Bowl with an aging QB who doesn't like rookie receivers (and that's all the Packers had other than Lazard) was a bonehead move. Particularly when they could have fleeced Denver for a package of draft choices and players and jump started their rebuild.
Offering Rodgers that awful contract was a panic move by Murphy and the Packers will be paying the price for that decision for at least a couple of years. How much worse would the Packers have been in 2022 with Love at the controls plus all of the players and draft choices from Denver? And how much further along would the Packers be in 2023 with more Denver draft choices and Love with a year under his belt? Ouch.......
MainePackFan
March 13, 2023 at 07:58 am
Reasonable post Guam, with no unnecessary Arod bashing to stir the pot. Thank you. We could use more of these type of posts.
Guam
March 13, 2023 at 12:03 pm
I don't care for Rodgers' personality, but in my career I have worked with people I don't like and managed to have a professional relationship with them as long as they were good at their jobs. Rodgers is very good at his job. I just believe given age and trade value the time to move on was last year or certainly this year.
Razer
March 13, 2023 at 08:08 am
Guam - Thanks for making me cry to start the week. Sometimes the truth hurts and you are full of truth this morning.
KnockTheSnotOutOfYou
March 13, 2023 at 01:59 pm
So true Guam! The Packers would have had lots of draft capital last year to take a top QB if they thought Love was not ready. The FO screwed up big time!
Coldworld
March 13, 2023 at 07:48 am
Personally, I think it’s more a question of reality biting. With the run backs we’d already had rendering us cap deprived, the roster, especially post Adams and continuing coaching issues, any extension was always based on a questionable assessment of competitive strength and that extension sealed the deal. The season was predictable.
The Packers now seem to have faced up to that. Whether subsequent actions played a role we can’t know. This, however, is simply a year late and a contract further than ever made sense.
Razer
March 13, 2023 at 08:04 am
...This, however, is simply a year late and a contract further than ever made sense...
So, so true. What is the saying, better a year early than a year late. Smarter leadership in this organization would have avoided this AND had us further along on a solid future path.
T7Steve
March 13, 2023 at 08:38 am
Do you think Love was ready last year? It's crippling, but last season sure helped him take a big jump and might have gotten him ready for this year.
Glass half full?
BirdDogUni
March 13, 2023 at 10:52 am
We'll never know if we traded AR last year if Love would've performed well or not. It doesn't really matter now, but he would've gotten a whole year of starting experience, so he'd be ahead of where he is now.
We would know if the Eagles game was the norm or an anomaly though.
I'm optimistic Love can thrive as long as he takes what the defense gives him, gets the ball out of his hand quickly, like he did against the Eagles, and MaLF designs plays which takes advantage of Love's strengths...
As long as our OL is above average, I think Love's game play will be above average.
T7Steve
March 13, 2023 at 01:29 pm
He might have had a full year of playing behind a shuffling O-line. It would have been good to see him at the end of the year when it started to stabilize. Maybe It might have saved some wear and tear on that young man.
We're due to have a turn at healthy line play this year. That alone would have meant playoffs last year.
KnockTheSnotOutOfYou
March 13, 2023 at 02:01 pm
The Packers could have had all that draft capital and players last year that Denver ended up getting and easily could have traded up for the Top QB if they had concerns about Love. Even then they still would have ended up with quite the haul in players & picks.
Razer
March 13, 2023 at 07:56 am
I don't have any hard feelings towards Rodgers or problem with his "decision" time. This is a Packers management problem, a problem that they have created. The team isn't making sound decisions and we are blaming Rodgers. If they thought that Rodgers was the guy, they should have surrounded him with weapons and coaching. The Packers have barely given him a true number one and a college coach. I heard someone say that a offense is only as good a their #3 WR. Our number two WR isn't even a number 3 WR and we still don't know how to spell tight end.
If you are mad at Rodgers then you should be really pissed with the donkeys running the organization.
MainePackFan
March 13, 2023 at 08:01 am
Another reasonable post. Thank you Razer.
jurp
March 13, 2023 at 08:16 am
"If you are mad at Rodgers then you should be really pissed with the donkeys running the organization."
A lot of us are annoyed beyond patience with Rodgers and really most sincerely pissed off at Murphy. He runs the show, and he's running the show into the ground.
murf7777
March 13, 2023 at 08:42 am
It takes two to tango...."offense only as good as their #3 WR". Tell that to Brady most of his years or even Mahommes this year. They won SB's without a #1 much less #3 WR.
Razer
March 13, 2023 at 09:23 am
There is more than one way to skin the cat. Great TE, RB and O-line play can overcome any one deficiency. Hell, even a solid slot WR would have been nice. My point is that the Packers could have been more timely in weaponry. Letting Adams walk, doubling down on your 39 year QB, giving him a new OC and a batch of rookie WRs hardly seems like a "win any time soon strategy". Knowing that the contract CAP squeeze would get tighter, management did little to move into a brighter future.
HarryHodag
March 13, 2023 at 07:58 am
Who would have thought this just a few years ago: Aaron Rodgers returning to the Packers is the worst-case scenario?
In the end it comes down to the old statement: poop or get off the pot.
Some time apart from Green Bay will restore Rodgers to the hearts of Packers fans like it did with Favre. Rodgers needs the big stage with a good team and as Sinatra sang, "New York....New York".
BamaPackFan
March 13, 2023 at 12:14 pm
I'm not sure it will. Whatever Brett's faults, I always respected and admired him as a man. That is NOT the case with AR.
Bitternotsour
March 13, 2023 at 11:22 pm
Jeez, that's a heck of an argument. What part of Brett was worthy of respect an admiration, was it his addictions? Perhaps sexually harassing a reporter, sending her unsolicited dick pics of his 4" wiener? Forcing his way onto the Vikings so he could "stick it" to the Packers? Maybe it was stealing all that money earmarked for Mississippi's poorest and trying to justify the theft?
I'm sick of Aaron Rodgers act, but he's 10 times the man that Brett ever was. My main issue with Rodgers is that he's spent. Past his expiration date.
pantz_bURp
March 13, 2023 at 08:15 am
Some days your the pigeon, other days your the statue.
Just depends on the day. We all will play both rolls many times in our lives...
*Anyone have an extra umbrella (prefer Packer-themed) or an old New York Post rag floating around? 😁✌️
Gute's my boy...but the image kicking off this article has him looking up at the sky. Hopefully, it ain't a pigeon overhead setting coordinates....🤔
Swisch
March 13, 2023 at 11:32 am
The New York Post got the Hunter Biden story right before the 2020 election, and the elitist establishment squelched it with massive censorship until after the election.
We the people were considered too stupid and too dangerous to decide for ourselves whether it was true or not.
Aaron Rodgers is like the elitist establishment in America who think they know better.
It's the New York Times that is the rag only fit for an impromptu umbrella soggy with dreary rain and bird droppings.
It's time for we the people to stand up to arrogant and domineering and self-absorbed jerks who think they are superior -- unless we care little for dignity and democracy.
As we've seen with great dismay, Rodgers has become a tyrant. That should give us pause when it comes to other elitists.
pantz_bURp
March 13, 2023 at 11:48 am
I so hear ya Swisch. Without me knowing the conversations (if any) going on right now...my analogy was that NY and GB are getting shat on.
I believe, what goes around, comes around = hubris. The only way I can try and stay positive is disengage with people like #12. When/if he is no longer a Packer...I will be able to exhale for my beloved Packers team.
GPG!
Swisch
March 13, 2023 at 12:13 pm
You're totally fine, b_m, while I tend to get carried away.
In the classic movie, "Mr. Smith Goes to Washington," the title character reads the Declaration of Independence as he filibusters against a corrupt establishment on the floor of the Senate.
Then he says something to the effect that we can't make a noble document like that work if we can't tell human rights from a punch in the face.
***
I feel like the elitist establishment is punching the American people in the face daily by lying to us and restricting us in violation of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution.
Then, when I try to get some respite from the real world by following the Packers, as a fan of more than half a century, I get a similar punch in the mouth by our smugly-superior quarterback, who is increasingly a controlling tyrant.
Our democratic-republic is built on a foundation of equality of worth for us all, and a certain teamwork in citizenship necessary for shared prosperity and glory.
Instead, we the people are becoming peons.
pantz_bURp
March 13, 2023 at 12:28 pm
Exactly, I am able to disengage with a very small minority in my business endeavors, family affairs, community...when there isn't mutual back and forth amt of respect. Especially sad when it involves football as a way to be entertained that you are forced to deal with it or turn the channel.
All things come to an end. Sometimes that can be very sad. Other times, a new beginning like Spring. I can't wait for "Spring" where e e cummings described it as "mud luscious and puddle wonderful".
Hope your day and evening are good, my friend
✌️🙏👌
Swisch
March 13, 2023 at 12:46 pm
You, too, friend.
At age 60, I still love Winnie the Pooh as much as at age 6.
CheeseEdWest2
March 13, 2023 at 08:21 am
It's a team sport. If by being a team player you can lift up everyone else, you deserve League MVP. If a player starts subtracting from the team by deciding they know better than their coaches and creating disharmony everybody can see, by too much free-wheeling on the field, by being above the need to build cohesion with new players then you bring down the team. Like an anti-MVP. I hate it that now he makes Greg Jennings look right--that in more and more ways, 12 values himself above the team.
Packers0808
March 13, 2023 at 08:44 am
Rodgers if not careful might find even NY get tired quickly of his antics and pass on him and look to Stafford or someone else!
KnockTheSnotOutOfYou
March 13, 2023 at 02:04 pm
Packers,
I believe that is exactly what Rodgers may be trying to do is force his way back by stalling and the Jets move on.
pantz_bURp
March 13, 2023 at 02:27 pm
I have been thinking this as well but don't want that thought in my cranium. :)
KnockTheSnotOutOfYou
March 13, 2023 at 03:08 pm
Great minds think alike! :)
Hopefully, I am wrong but all AR needs to say is 'yes, I am returning' and then everyone knows it is simply the Jet's and the Packers working out compensation. Nope! That is too difficult for AR to do apparently making me believe he is intentionally stalling.
BirdDogUni
March 13, 2023 at 09:34 am
I find many of the above comments comical.
I don't blame Aaron Rodgers for our current situation at all. Not one little bit.
Here's why:
TT drafted AR12 in 2005... Brian Gutekunst has been with the Packers since '97.
Mark Murphy and Brian Gutekunst have known who Aaron Rodgers is since before some of CHTV posters were born.
Our front office could've easily traded Rodgers last year, for a plethora of picks, installed Jordan Love as their QB1, benefited from all the cap relief, and our record would probably have been the same. Even if our record was worse, we'd have seen Jordan Love for a whole season. We'd have seen enough to determine if he is in fact the real deal.
We would be sitting in the catbird's seat with the 5th overall pick, 15th overall pick, 37, and 45 in the first two rounds. We would have been rid of all the perceived drama last year. If Murphy and Gutey would've listened to De'Vondre Campbell, they'd have known that Jordan Love was a "starting QB in this league."
Instead, they chose their own poison and signed AR to the stupidest contract in the history of the Packers (besides the extension they gave AJ Hawk back in the day) and now they're stuck behind the eight ball and it's their own damn fault.
Mark Murphy talking about Aaron Rodgers in the past tense as a Packer was also very stupid, IMO.
IDK what Aaron will decide, but it's his decision to make, and we only have Mark Murphy to blame...
If AR12 decides he's coming back to the Packers, I can't wait for that press conference. SMH
Since'61
March 13, 2023 at 10:34 am
BDU I agree with you 100%. I have been posting from day 1 of this fiasco that it's not Rodgers fault that the FO threw all of that money at Rodgers. They are the ones who showed no concern for the team's salary cap or the teams future. It was a clear sign of desperation to try to force an aging player and team to reach another SB.
Then they decided to play musical chairs with the OL, sign an aging FA wide receiver and continue to start Rodgers which he had an injured thumb and other injuries.
Why should we give any credibility to a management team that is now telling us that Love is ready to start after 9 passes in a game that was virtually over when Love entered the game? Why didn't they start him if Love was ready to play while Rodgers was injured?
here is another question that no one has brought up. The Packers are allegedly fed up with Rodgers and yet they only team they allowed Rodgers to speak with about a trade was the NY Jets? Why not the Raiders, or the Panthers, or the Dolphins or at least more than one team? How anxious can the Packers be to trade Rodgers and yet they only allow one team to speak with him?
This entire situation wreaks of a management team that has no idea what it is doing, starting with Mark Murphy who continues to mishandle his communications with the media. They claim to have a plan for Love which they had an excellent chance to execute during the 2022 season while Rodgers was injured.
And yet Rodgers is blamed for this mess and the article is asking what a difference a year makes. After all who ever heard of a QB going into decline when they reach their late 30s or early 40s?
And on top of all of this the team has turned over the decision making process for the 2023 to Rodgers by allowing him months to make "his" decision about the future. Rodgers cn string this out forever because he has a contract with the Packers. Yes, a contract that the Packers gave him. The only people holding the Packers hostage are the Packers themselves. The difference is that now they realize it and now they are desperate for a way out. Their problem is that are dependent upon Rodgers for their way out.
I've posted before and once again I say that I hope Rodgers retires and walks away from the whole mess because at this point in his life and his career he doesn't need any of this stupidity and that is what this episode is, it's stupidity and it's on Murphy and the Packers management. None of this ever needed to happen. But here we are. Thanks, Since '61
Coldworld
March 13, 2023 at 10:58 am
I think Rodgers may well want to force a cut now. Then he’s got his money, can sign with whom he wants or simply sit and ponder even if he’s not ready to formally retire. After Murphy’s comments, that wouldn’t surprise me at all.
We would, if I’m right, now be in the equivalent phase to Favre boarding the plane from Kiln. Just a little earlier in the year. The difference is Rodgers has been put in a position where he can force freedom and screw the Packers out of any compensation while getting complete control.
Since'61
March 13, 2023 at 01:03 pm
Coldworld I think that you may be correct about Rodgers trying to force a release.
If he wanted to go to the Jets he would have agreed to a trade by now. It he wants to retire he would have announced by now. I think the issue is that he wants more time and he is not going to agree to a trade to a team he doesn't want or need to play for. Also he's not sure if he is ready to retire or not.
Like Favre, come TC he may decide that he wants to play again. However, he knows that the Packers or any team can't wait that long so maybe he's plays for a release, takes his money and goes to another team when he knows he is ready to play again. Or he stays retired. Nothing would surprise me at this point.
I don't understand why the Packers allowed only the Jets to speak with Rodgers and if Rodgers wants to go to NY why he hasn't jumped on it by now?
I would love to write this scenario up as a Graduate school case study for "How to screw up handling a key employee near the end of their career." Or better yet, "How desperation leads Executive Management into bad decisions." The problem is we will never get to the complete truth and would need to fill in with speculation which just won't do.
Maybe this ends today or tomorrow but maybe it doesn't. I know that nothing is coming out of NY as of this point. At least we're getting a nice long laugh out of it all. The longer it goes on the funnier it becomes. Only 16 days to NY Yankees opening day. In the interim any talk of the FAs the Packers will likely try to sign this week? Thanks, Since '61
Coldworld
March 13, 2023 at 02:16 pm
That contract was, and I said it at the time, an unbelievably irresponsible structure for any team to agree to. To be clear, this is very much not a comment on the wisdom of extending Rodgers here, but about the ceding of control by the Packers in doing so.
No matter how badly I wanted a deal, I would never agree to that contract as written. Sometimes one has to walk away. No person responsible for bringing me such a deal to approve would remain in authority over such processes. Murphy and Ball look like they are about to reap the rewards of a negligent negotiation.
Were I a board member, I’d be all over any President who signed such a document, before it blew up. If I’m not, I’m not worth my position. The rot is deep.
croatpackfan
March 13, 2023 at 02:36 pm
They re-signed Nixon today! For 6 mill $ for one year allegedly.
barutanseijin
March 13, 2023 at 03:42 pm
Just how big of a market is there for Rodgers? The Raiders weren’t interested and they had no quarterback. Carolina didn’t want him. The idiot-drunk in Indy isn’t interested . He’s a quarterback with declining skills who wants a lot of money and control.
Aaron is probably afraid of going to New York where there would be pressure to win, and high probability he’d be blamed for not winning.
davekenya
March 13, 2023 at 08:58 pm
"I don't understand why the Packers allowed only the Jets to speak with Rodgers and if Rodgers wants to go to NY why he hasn't jumped on it by now?"
Pure speculation (like everyone else's comments here): maybe the Jets told GB they'd offer a better compensation package if GB allowed them to be the sole suitors until XYZ date. or NYJ have already made a deal with GB to give them a 7th rounder or whatever for exclusive negotiation rights for a couple weeks --
Think: In real estate, the right of first refusal is a clause in a contract that gives a prioritized, interested party the right to make the first offer on a house before the owner can negotiate with other prospective buyers.)
Also: lightly or strongly...AR may have let Jets' brass know he'd be happy playing for the Jets IF IF they first sign either/both Lazard or Cobb.
jannesbjornson
March 13, 2023 at 12:23 pm
Many varied opinions cryptically, floating about the blogosphere.
"A Recap of the situation for the Church Ladies:
GB is not and has not tried to push Rodgers out of GB. At the end of last season, Murphy and Gutekunst made it clear they wanted Rodgers back next year at two press conferences. It's Rodgers who has had enough of Gutekunst and Lafleur. Failing to re-sign Adams , then using two college kids, a vet with 3 TDs in 4 years and a No. 1 receiver who couldn't make half the NFL teams was the seasons disaster. As for reports that GB wanted to" move on", of course, when you have no choice, Rodgers has not contacted GBFO since the end of the season so it wasn't their choice. It's the classic employment situation " He quit but we where going to fire him anyway". All sour grapes. It's Rodgers who told GB it's time to move on."
jurp
March 13, 2023 at 11:49 am
The problem is indeed the front office, embodied by the de facto owner Mark Murphy. As you noted, Mark Murphy is to blame. 100%, And as I've posted before, I have no problem with Rodgers asking for the moon in that last contract; my problem is with Murphy, Ba'al and company giving it to him. My problem with Rodgers is that he's been trolling us for years and it's gotten beyond effing annoying.
KnockTheSnotOutOfYou
March 13, 2023 at 02:07 pm
Dead on Jurp!
Leatherhead
March 13, 2023 at 02:31 pm
BDU
""IDK what Aaron will decide, but it's his decision to make, and we only have Mark Murphy to blame..""
???
So, if Rodgers decides to play for the Jets, and we get compensation for him AND we've got a great replacement ready, is Murphy to blame for that as well.?
croatpackfan
March 13, 2023 at 02:39 pm
You hope so. Still no confirmation.
BirdDogUni
March 13, 2023 at 03:45 pm
Yes, he would be, because he's responsible for all things Packer Football...
Still, you don't have to be an idiot (like Murphy) to take credit for other people's work... ; P
The only person in GB who makes things about himself more than Murphy is Rodgers... ; )
Coldworld
March 13, 2023 at 06:53 pm
Generally one doesn’t take credit for what one doesn’t control, especially if you abdicated it voluntarily. If Rodgers does decide to move, we are still burdened by tens of millions of unnecessary cap. We still wasted last year for apparently not much except to prove that they got it very wrong. We will need to see if, without Rodgers, LaFleur proves he can design a leading offense, handle game strategy, adjustments and personnel as well as prove himself at least not wrong about Barry and Stenovich as an OC. All of those are on Murphy.
golfpacker1
March 13, 2023 at 10:01 am
RC i am curious. Are you related to Aaron Rodgers or do you live with him? Are you married to his sister or what? Man I think you defending him without question is nuts. Aaron Rodgers cares about nothing but Aaron Rodgers. He is playing a TEAM sport and this team is the Green Bay Packers not the Aaron Rodger Packers. He won't ever get it because this is him. Take what is happening now with him not telling the 2 teams in this business transaction what his decision is. He is going to drag his feet until he can screw both teams from running a very expensive business. Shame on the Packers FO for believeing his bullshit that he was all in for the TEAM and signing him to that bullshit contract. Heads should roll after this nightmare is done. This has hamstrung this team for years to come. By the way RC, Aaron doesn't give a shit what you and I think about him. He uses everyone. Whether you believe in vaccinations or not I don't care. When he lied or mislead the media when he was questioned about it he knew what he was doing and that it was wrong but he didn't care. That alone tells what kind of human being he is and your misguided loyalty and devotion to him is wasted.
KnockTheSnotOutOfYou
March 13, 2023 at 02:08 pm
Good post GP1!
Packerpasty
March 13, 2023 at 05:24 pm
meh, just your opinion, just like RC has his, your no more right than he is, except in your own mind...anyway, can't wait to go with 5 wins the next year...of course all you Love fanboys will say he needs more time...I bet he lead the league in INT's thats way more possible than MVP...
Swisch
March 13, 2023 at 10:04 am
When we sell out our integrity for practical gains, we're likely to lose both.
Here's a comment from the way-back machine, September of 2021, which, if heeded, would have saved us a lot of heartbreaking and gut-wrenching moments suffered at the fickle whims of Aaron Rodgers.
https://cheeseheadtv.com/blog/corys-corner-stop-worrying-about-aaron-rod...
greengold
March 13, 2023 at 10:12 am
Nice get from the way back machine, Swisch!!!
I refuse to go back and rehash all the stuff we've spent years bashing about to placate those who hold AR to be some kind of savior.
Ugh. I just can't wait until it is over, and the Packers can move forward with defining the team's future, and Jordan Love as our QB1.
KnockTheSnotOutOfYou
March 13, 2023 at 02:11 pm
I agree GG but do you really think it is over? I'm sensing AR is like that ex-girlfriend who won't give up and who continues to hover around. I think good chance AR is trying to derail the trade to the Jets, and if nothing else negatively affect whatever trade capital the Packers can receive by stalling.
Lphill
March 13, 2023 at 10:16 am
who here actually speaks to Rodgers personally seems like many do, just wondering.
Swisch
March 13, 2023 at 11:08 am
It seems Rodgers doesn't deign to speak to fans -- even collectively -- in a forthright manner.
It seems he disregards us in general -- so we have to assess the available evidence together here at CHTV to make our best conclusions about him.
It seems many of us are right about Rodgers being arrogant and domineering and self-absorbed. He seems to confirm this more and more day by day.
***
If I'm truly wrong about Rodgers, I'll be glad to admit it. I really miss the days when he was a favorite player of mine, and all seemed well with the Packers.
Not long ago, the Packers seemed a model franchise of doing things the right way off the field and perennially being a top team on the field.
It seems Rodgers has undermined that stature into dysfunction and embarrassment, enabled by his rightful bosses to be an insubordinate jerk.
For us as fans to not be angry about the decline of the Packers would be a pathetic display of wimpiness.
greengold
March 13, 2023 at 11:24 am
Correct! Swisch!!! This ought to be entered into a CHTV HOF.
We're all fanatics for our team. I've seen him twist his standing above team goals with statements and actions for his own personal betterment for years. If you look back at many game situations, he made them more difficult by always choosing to pass, when he had great RBs to hand off to to win short yardage conversions and kill clock.
The game of football is not that difficult. AR made it more so.
I cannot wait till he is booted outta here via trade. It should have happened after he started tweaking the F out of fans and the FO Draft Day 1, 2021.
The Packers should have 3 more Lombari Trophies in the ol' case at 1265, if not more. Maybe Jordan Love can help guide us to them the right way.
Lphill
March 13, 2023 at 11:43 am
seems like mostly speculation here at chtv.
Swisch
March 13, 2023 at 12:29 pm
We have to make our best judgements in life based on incomplete information -- whether it's about who fixes our car, who operates on our illness, or who babysits our children.
We also have to make our best judgements about who we want as the quarterback of the Green Bay Packers, a noble position on a legendary team which represents us, the state of Wisconsin, and all of Packerdom.
I can't see deep into the interior of Rodgers as does God, but as a responsible person I have to go by what can be seen and discerned as far as human relations are concerned (realizing I may be wrong, and open to other observations and opinions).
I don't consider myself better or worse than Rodgers as a person, but I don't want him around the Packers.
I truly want the best for Rodgers, but I don't think it's good even for him to jerk us around.
croatpackfan
March 13, 2023 at 02:52 pm
"actions speak louder than words"
That is how I speak with him.
But he do not hear!
mbpacker
March 13, 2023 at 10:20 am
Rodgers is "fools Gold" at this point. The Packers and Jets have both blew it. Not sure how this will end, but the Packers tried to have their cake and eat it too when they resigned 12. The Jets should have gone with Carr. If Rodgers is wondering why more teams are not lining up for his service he should look at his contract and his own actions. Why would a team want an over the hill QB, yeah he can still throw it, but can he win the big game? Packer fans know that answer. Also, the emotional baggage that your team will assume from a self-centered, drama diva, that will only be a headache in the end. It would have been great to get a great haul in a trade, but now you may just have to get what you can just to ditch the drama and improve your cap hell somewhat. In this scenario , less is more!
stockholder
March 13, 2023 at 10:24 am
They're Idiots. And So is the Press.
"Insubordination" is the reason for the change.
It's that simple. Rodgers wanted to win.
Nobody else gave a Damn. And they still don't.
Rodgers wanted the offense simplified.
MLF didn't get it! The meetings never happened.
Nobody liked Rodger's comments.
Nobody! The truth hurt.
This was a bad football team.
And unless Rodgers got them to focus on him.
There wasn't going to be a playoff run.
So now its plan B.
Rodgers in their eyes became the problem.
Not the contract, Not MLF.
Rodgers exposed what this team was.
What the DEFENSE was.
What the GM was.
What Murphy was.
A bunch of idiots who only cared about their Legacy.
Their comfort Level. Their distractions!
Yes, Rodgers was the perfect alibi.
The Losing. The poor evaluations
.For Every player hurt and Gary getting hurt.
Campbell put his 2 cents on field conditions.
Haven't they made enough $$$$$$$$ on us..
Seems Rodgers was suppose to be a puppet.
Something they already have in Love.
golfpacker1
March 13, 2023 at 10:31 am
I would guess there are some people in the Jets FO that are already starting to question if this is the right move to trade for Rodgers, his ego and his boatload of bullshit he will bring along. Probably more every hour this drags on. I was hoping the Packers would do anything even trading Bahktiari to ensure Rodgers would agree to the trade. But I am afraid that Rodgers is going to choose to keep the spotlight on him long enough to piss off the Jets and screw the Packers. I don't get any Packers fan being blind to what he is doing. ME ME ME not TEAM TEAM TEAM!
KnockTheSnotOutOfYou
March 13, 2023 at 02:19 pm
I think the Jets have very limited options at this point with Carr & JG signed unless they want to go after Jackson. They do not have the draft capital to go after a top QB in the draft. I say even though it seems like AR is stalling and trying to wait the Jet trade out it comes down to the Packers FO. If they hold firm and tell him if he doesn't leave he will be QB2 in 2023. If the Packers are firm on that position and should AR want to play in 2023 he really will not have any choice. I sense this is where things are right now and AR has to make his decision on what he wants to do.
LambeauPlain
March 13, 2023 at 10:46 am
As in most organizations, when you have weak leadership, dysfunction, poor decisions, and vacuums are created.
The weakest leader of the Packers is Acting GM Murphy. He purposely eroded the GM position and put himself in charge of the football operation as a temporary fix after the 2017 season. McCarthy was whining about TT not making key decisions due to Ted's sad and rapid physical decline. McCarthy also did not like Ball and threatened to resign of the Packers made Ball the new GM.
Why Murphy waited so long to replace Ted is a head scratcher.
Then, after naming Gutey "GM", he kept his Chairmanship of the Football Committee permanant, now in its 6th year and make Gutey on par with MLF and Ball.
Who rushed to the cameras to announce McCarthy had been fired after the loss to the Cardinals?
Who hogged the mic and answered most of the press questions when MLF was announced?
Who nixed the Denver offer for Rodgers? I do not believe it was Gutey!
Who agreed with MLF's decision to hire Barry, observe 2 seasons with milquetoast Defense, and bring him back for a 3rd year of futility?
Who made the decision to "allow" Rodgers to talk with the Jets, just one year after creating more cap wreckage with the QB.
Who is setting the terms for a Rodgers trade and speaks clumsily while Rodgers is making his decision in national media?
The Packers have a weak HC, a GM in name only, an EVP that has become a can kicker of contracts and exploding salary cap constraints. But the weakest leader is wanna be GM Murphy...and he isn't very good at it.
Murphy needs to go...but the Packers will likely let him fumble around for another 2 years.
Since'61
March 13, 2023 at 11:05 am
Spot on Lambeau Plain! Thanks, Since '61
lou
March 13, 2023 at 11:15 am
You nailed it. When Murphy canned McCarthy with several games to go that told me all I needed to know about him as a PERSON (I would still like to know if he ran that past the Executive Committee in advance - my guess is NO) and that reflected so poorly against the best NFL franchise ever. Scooter McClean went 1-10-1 and the franchise had enough CLASS to let him resign after the season. The most appropriate thing the Executive Committee could do would be to repeat what Murphy did to McCarthy and fire him before his contract expires.
jurp
March 13, 2023 at 11:55 am
I agree, but expect Murphy will ride off into the sunset on his unicorn in 2025, leaving wreckage, desolation and a somewhat thriving Titletown behind him. He'll return a couple of years later for his induction into the Packers Hall of Fame.
Cynical? I prefer to think it's a reasonable deduction based on current and past events, and on the people involved.
Tundraboy
March 13, 2023 at 10:58 am
And here we are. And while it's not Wednesday, it is the day that someone needs an indication of Rodgers intentions, and whether it's the Jets-Packers or anyone else it would be an honorable thing to do. So here we go, perhaps the end of another year of drama.
jurp
March 13, 2023 at 11:57 am
As a "critical thinker" once said, "Stay tuned!"
Ferrari-Driver
March 13, 2023 at 11:05 am
Rodgers is as talented as any quarterback I have watched in my many decades of being a Packers fan. Over the years, I have thoroughly enjoyed watching him perform on the field and helping the Packers to win many games and championships. However, I do have reservations about Aaron Rodgers, the man.
My dad died young at only 48 and my mom followed closely at 59 and what I would give to only play a round of golf with my dad once again or have a chance to take my mom out to dinner on mother's day.
Rodgers, from what I have gathered doesn't even talk to his parents. I would guess that every Packers fan on this website feels that if there is one person who has their back through thick and thin, it's their mother. Rodgers won't even give his dad or mom a gratuity ticket that Packer players get for free to attend a game at Lambeau Field. Perhaps he doesn't realize, that life doesn't go on forever and his mom or dad could die unexpectedly as I realized and believe me, death is permanent.
jurp
March 13, 2023 at 11:59 am
I'm very sad to stay that my Mom never had my back; my brother was her favorite. Must be a family thing - my father's father never had his back, either. Water under the bridge.
Ferrari-Driver
March 13, 2023 at 12:12 pm
jurp, sorry to read that. Hope everything has gone well in your life in spite of the lack of support.
splitpea1
March 13, 2023 at 11:26 am
What exactly is AR's market value, and does it really matter, anyway? The important thing is to consummate this exchange before the Jets start thinking hard about other options such as Stafford, Mayfield, or Garappolo. Some of the Jets players seem pretty excited about landing Rodgers, so let's not disappoint them by being greedy about the compensation.
As a side note, I'm pretty surprised the Jets are maybe going to hang on to Zach Wilson, possibly as a third-stringer. Why? He doesn't seem to be the right fit for the team or that market. You would think they could recoup a little draft capital by moving him and either drafting or signing another QB as a backup. The Jets are probably a playoff team with either good starter or a competent backup.
Leatherhead
March 13, 2023 at 12:31 pm
"" I'm pretty surprised the Jets are maybe going to hang on to Zach Wilson""
Here's the deal. They spent a really high pick on Wilson, so just giving up and throwing him in the trash is the option of last resort. IMO, it might be part of the Jets calculus that Zach Wilson might somehow, possibly, benefit from Rodgers presence. I mean, Wilson has some tools but he has some growing to do as a pro football player and a QB. A year of meetings, film study, practice field work, games , learning from Rodgers might actually have a positive effect on him.
packer132
March 13, 2023 at 11:30 am
Why is Rodgers making everyone wait for his decision? Because he can. At the end of the season, Aaron Rodgers said he's "not going to hold (the Packers) hostage" with regard to his future. That was two months ago. He just signed a new deal in 2022, so there should be no question of his intentions. He is not retiring, and this is the 3rd year in a row that he has done this. I used to be a big fan of his, but not anymore. I am a fan of the Green Bay Packers, and even I realize that the best plan is to get Jordan Love under center and move on. If Aaron gets to the playoffs or even the Super Bowl with another team, I will root for him.
Leatherhead
March 13, 2023 at 12:25 pm
Rodgers is not holding the Packers hostage. If the Packers don't want him on the team, they can trade him. If nobody wants to trade for him, they can cut him.
This is a big life decision for Rodgers, and I don't begrudge him taking some time. He knows the season starts in a few days, he knows the draft is only a month away, he knows he's not coming back to Green Bay, and he knows it's take the Jets offer or retire, at this point.
My prediction is that there will be definitive action this week. I think he'll take the Jets offer because they want him and he wants to play. I suspect we're not going to get much in compensation for him, but we might get some financial concessions that will help our salary cap.
Packers0808
March 13, 2023 at 11:39 am
It seems that the tea and drugs Rodgers has admitted taking his brain has become a clump of self love slush worse than it was before. This man has become hated by so many I think he revels in it by now!
Leatherhead
March 13, 2023 at 12:01 pm
""": coaches and management concluded their future Hall of Famer had experienced significant decline. """
"""Meanwhile Jordan Love was showing impressive improvement in all aspects of his game"""
That is exactly how I see it too, Ken, And I agree with you that a year earlier, the same people looked at all the same facts and reached a different conclusion, because Rodgers was the MVP. This year, Love looked better and Rodgers looked worse. IMO, this "situation" occurred because the Packers drafted a legit QB and worked with him, while simultaneously squeezing two MVP seasons out of Rodgers. If Rodgers had faded faster, or Love been a failure, we wouldn't be here , would we? Or if Rodgers had sustained a major injury, and Love had looked really for a stretch of games, it might have ended differently.
It ended up at this point because that is what the Packers have been planning and preparing for years. IF they hadn't, if they'd drafted some superduper WR instead of Love, we'd have a 39 year old QB with a massive contract (and ego) and no good options. As it is, we've got a horse ready to run. We should be thanking the people responsible.
KnockTheSnotOutOfYou
March 13, 2023 at 02:26 pm
I have been saying since April of 2020 that Gutey did a fantastic job on taking a risk drafting Jordan Love. When a top shelf QB is available you need to pull the trigger. Does anyone really believe drafting a WR in round 1 would have helped the Packer win a SB? I don't! AR would not have thrown to anyone other than #17 in 2020 & 2021. Now the Packers are sitting good with a QB that most say is ready to take over and be a good QB.
Leatherhead
March 13, 2023 at 02:35 pm
Look, you have to prepare for the future and insure the present. At the very least, we needed a competent backup. Remember the Gumchewer in 2017? And if we were going to get that guy, why choose a career journeyman or washed up vet? Why not invest in the future? And they did, and it showed a lot of foresight.
Now, we're going to find out. If Love/Lafleur win games, Gutekunst and Murphy are going to deserve credit.
BamaPackFan
March 13, 2023 at 12:05 pm
Please GO AWAY! Enough of Aaron already. In this offseason he tried to tell the Packers which free agents to keep if they want him to play. Um...No! Packers have held it in and tried to give AR respect, but get smug selfishness and arrogance in return. The Packers will be fine without you Mr. Rodgers. You seem to have forgotten this is a team sport. Please Go.
Tundraboy
March 13, 2023 at 12:24 pm
Still waiting! Sigh
MikeS
March 13, 2023 at 12:34 pm
Enough with all the lambasting. Get the SOB out of Green Bay any way they can. Fans are fed up with his BS.
Since'61
March 13, 2023 at 01:05 pm
Why aren't we discussing the Free Agents who the Packers will try to sign this week? Thanks, Since '61
LambeauPlain
March 13, 2023 at 01:21 pm
Nixon being re-signed is good news. The Kid can run em back. Great vision, balance and speed to exploit good blocks which makes good blocking a lot of fun for Assist. HC Rich's STs.
Since'61
March 13, 2023 at 07:37 pm
I'm happy that the Packers did not let Nixon get away. $6 million seems a little high but maybe the Packers are planning to have him more involved in the offense ini 2023. Thanks, Since '61
Ferrari-Driver
March 14, 2023 at 04:36 pm
I thought I remembered Nixon playing in the defensive backfield last year and doing a yoeman's job when called upon. If it's get sweep you are thinking of we do have a pretty speedy guy in Watson who could be a candidate for running that play once in a while.
MooPack
March 13, 2023 at 02:17 pm
Here we go… again
Trey Wingo hearing Rodgers to Jets is done deal.
Rapoport only talking in absolutes. So for him… nothing.
Maybe the logistics of more than one player takes a bit longer… hmmm?
Ritzy
March 13, 2023 at 02:45 pm
The Packers blew it last year when they failed to deal Rodgers to Denver. That would have netted a boatload of draft picks. Anything less than a second round pick this year and a conditional pick from the Jets would be a huge failure by the Packers front office.
LeotisHarris
March 13, 2023 at 02:45 pm
Even Google is trolling me now:
"People also ask
How many children does Aaron Rodgers have?
Is Aaron Rodgers a diabetic?
What is Aaron Rodgers win loss record?
How many Super Bowls has Aaron Rodgers lost?"
Leatherhead
March 13, 2023 at 02:45 pm
""Packers have no leverage in this negotiation with the Jets. """
Didn't Murphy just tell Rodgers and the Jets that Rodgers would be back with the Pack if things don't work out?
I think it's a bluff, yeah, but at least it puts the thought into your head, kind of like when Putin starts talking about throwing nukes around. You assume it's posturing, you hope it's posturing, but still.......it's in the back of your mind now. Rodgers and the Jets have to make this work if they want it to work.
Here's the flow chart: Rodgers can retire. He can play if he accepts a trade. Jets are the only suitors, so they aren't bidding against anybody. If the Jets and Rodgers come to an agreement, the Packers can approve a trade OR they can reject it and deal with the consequences, which would be massive.
DragonSilk
March 13, 2023 at 03:17 pm
OK I'm officially over Brett. I mean Erin. I mean Aaron. What's the difference? I'm ready for some Love. How funny would it be if he screwed around so long with his "Look at me" party, it ended up nobody is willing to take a chance on this prima donna?
greengold
March 13, 2023 at 03:41 pm
A lot of buzz all over that this deal is done. Rodgers "is reportedly being traded to the New York Jets in a massive blockbuster deal," according to Trey Wingo.
Still no details nor confirmation. Clutchpoints, Sportsnaut and MSN reporting this, amongst others.
Sauce Gardner, Garrett Wilson and Breece Hall all pounding Twitter about it.
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