But we still have Barry as DC. I would think Rich Bisaccia would make an excellent DC.

Totally agree GG!

This team is going to be extremely exciting & fun!

Amazing! “Young” is one thing, but “the youngest” is quite another!

1) Very young also means that, on the whole, they earn less - which is good considering the Packers cap situation.
2) It also means they do not lose so many guys over the next few seasons due to players being too old to play in the NFL any longer - which is also good.
3) Younger should also mean a slightly decreased injury rate - good again.

4) It does mean the team is (relative to other teams) naive and unpolished - that's bad.
5) The Packers still have Barry as DC - that's probably bad, but lets wait and see how that plays out.

The Packers under Ted Thompson often boasted the youngest roster in the league. And I say boasted becas it is definitely a good thing. Just like Aaron Rodgers did, Jordan Love will have the opportunity to "grow up" in the nfl along side some very talented young players

The Packers under Ted Thompson often boasted the youngest roster in the league. And I say boasted becas it is definitely a good thing. Just like Aaron Rodgers did, Jordan Love will have the opportunity to "grow up" in the nfl along side some very talented young players

I'm excited, but worried about the O line. Yosh is a fine swing tackle, especially LT, but if he's the starting RT, we're in trouble. Myers has to improve or be replaced. Zach Tom needs to be starting, either center or RT. We'll need a 2nd year step up from someone when an injury hits. I really had hoped they'd pick up an OL in the first 4 rounds, but I can't argue with this draft class.

'61, Ray Rhodes was the first D coordinator then moved on to coach the Eagles, hauling Gruden along with him. Fritz came onboard in 1994. He put them over the top. Comparing Holmgren's crew with these apologists is painful for me. Take Care.

But it’s not a rebuild! Yes it is. The turnover has been huge in profile and number: the old have been and are departing, the young proliferating. Jones and Bakh aside, the holdovers are young and mostly relatively recent. This team is one trying to found the core of the next era.

As Shakespeare said: “What’s in a name? That which we call a rose by any other name would smell as sweet.”

It really all depends on Love, and MLF now that he will be calling the plays for the first time in GB ;)

“…by this time in his Packer tenure Wolf had won a Super Bowl.”

As had Thompson — for both, their sixth season with the team, which this season was for Gute.

One major difference: both Wolf and Thompson got to bring in their QB of choice in their first year, and in Thompson’s case, have him starting in his fourth year. Gute didn’t get his guy until his third year, and he isn’t starting until his seventh.

Paper Tigers, or The Enforcers? If Barry was not at the helm, I would feel more confident. Rich lurks in the shadows, just in case.

Just a great take, splitpea1!

I couldn’t agree more. I think this defense will look very different, as will the O and STs, making this 2023 season super fun to watch. I’m very encouraged by the talent additions, changing out some old guard in need of replacing.

We’ll see.

or the most part, Love has looked cool and calm in his brief time of meaningful action, even in that game against KC where he was blitzed all afternoon“

I agree with you about Love and the KC game. I was at the game and it was also very windy and loud. Not easy playing conditions. Mahommes, didn’t fair much better that day. But, Love stayed calm and collective. We may very well have a winner in Love……3 would be a charm.

Thank you Ferrari-Driver, for yet another super fast, tight, sharp, sexy take!

Lolz

It IS a young man’s game. NYJ are about to find out for themselves. Just wait till that Honeymoon’s over!

One of the good things about FA (never thought I'd ever say that) is that FA will often take care of being forced to hold onto a team/fan favorite too long.

You have been interestingly away since pre-draft. Where you have been & glad you are back!

Idk about most but I don’t think the first round could have gone any better for us. LVN was the best possible player at no. 13 (thank goodness he wasn’t gone earlier), and could very well be the best edge rusher from this class 2-3 years down the road. And it fills one of our largest roster needs I LOVE that pick. An A+++ for Gutey.

Not only that, but the Bears massively reached for an OT (with a questionable work ethic) in the top 10, the Vikings took a 170 lb WR (while not addressing their 31st ranked defense despite Deonte Banks, Joey Porter jr, and Bryan Bresee still being on the board) and the Lions had the dumbest 1st round of the decade, REACHING for a RB at pick 12 that was thought by most to be a second rounder (and wasn’t even the best back in the class!) and taking an ILB at 18 (I truly believe Jack Campbell is a first round talent, though, but it was not a big need for them and the positional value is questionable)

Well done Nick. I was wondering the same thing about Bakhtiari. But based on the fact we didn’t draft any O-line, I would be surprised if he was dealt. I’m still holding out hope that Sean Rhyan and Rasheed Wallace are something.

"don't even get me started on Jimmy Graham".

One of my most frustrating moments with the GBP's but I always knew it was AR who had him remain & why AR kept passing to an inept & past his time Graham.

There should always be concern when “institutional knowledge” takes a severe hit. In the case of the 2023 Packers, the main concern would be the tight ends and wide receivers rooms.
They really don’t have any significant carryover players who have multiple years of starting experience.
The other groups all have at least one.
Losing institutional knowledge can be catastrophic, because it can be decades or more of retained and refined ideas. Lazard learned from Adams learned from Nelson learned from Driver learned from Jennings learned from Freeman ad infinitum.

"There will almost certainly be times this season when Love and one or more of his receivers are not on the same page because of a misread coverage or a poorly run route."

Exactly why I am opposed to signing a cheap vet TE or WR to take valuable snaps in camp, preseason and season practices from the younger, more talented players.

And I also disagree with Rodger's being responsible for his 6-10 inaugural season. He consistently gave leads to Bob Sander's D whose brand in 2008 was consistently collapsing late in games lost.

Ironically, Love's inaugural season could be subjected to the same fateful D. I hope not and also hope Bisaccia's promotion to Assist. HC was to offset MLF's mistake retaining Barry Ball.

The youthfulness of Packer teams of the past burned longer, while the youthfulness of the present teams seem to burn out as fast as sparklers. Granted, there are reason for such quick sparkler burn-outs, but nonetheless, their sparkle is shorter.

IIRC, sparklers appeared to be the hardest/took longest to ignite. I'm not sure if that can be tolerated today, especially if the sparkler fades faster than it took to get lit.

Is it reasonable to expect fewer injuries with a young team? Quicker recoveries?

I say good, and about damn time! Packers have been slow rolling younger players for years. I don’t agree with it. Now that reality is here and there is little expectation of a Super Bowl, let the young guys show their worth and desire. I believe they will surprise.

It's a little unsettling how young the Packers are going into 2023, but more so it's exciting.
I'm bracing myself for ups and downs due to learning, but still hoping there's a lot more good than bad.
If we could win 9 games next season, and play hard and smart throughout, it would likely be a fun ride.
If the ride is bumpier and it's less than 9 wins, I'm still enthusiastic about a new era for the Packers.
***
A key is players not blaming each other but developing a camaraderie in which they play every game all the way until the very end.
That may seem like a cliche, but with so many games being so close in the NFL, it's essential for young players to develop their patience and poise and perseverance.
Suffer together as a team, celebrate together as a team.

Gil,

"There will almost certainly be times this season when Love and one or more of his receivers are not on the same page because of a misread coverage or a poorly run route."

It true, then nothing will have changed from last season. Didn't we experience the same last year (2022) with the young WR's when QB1 wouldn't come to practice with them at OTA's?

Our new QB has more talent overall in the WR/TE department than we have seen in years. We have a very good run game and decent Defense and ST. Love will be playing behind a solid OL. Love will play the offense as it was intended and ML will scheme receivers open. Love will go thru progressions when throwing the ball. I have the utmost confidence we will have a better record than last season and be in the playoffs. How far we go is a question mark with JL. I'm excited for the Packers future. Next season we may have a little CAP space for a FA or two to solidify a couple spots that may be weak. Good times are not too far off. I believe we will have 2-#1 picks next season if things go awry. GPG

Just watched the entire game of last year's game between Dallas and the Packers. Just a few observations, first off Watson did have 3 TDs, but he had at least three or four bad routes and two drops. The drops and route running issues were before he got his first TD but he needs a huge improvement in how to be a NFL receiver. He can't be strictly a home run receiver.
Green Bay has got to either keep Aaron Jones or get his placement ASAP.
The offensive line can be very, very good and do have some decent reserves.
All the discussion about Joe Berry's defense....is well deserved. Kenny Clark may be an all pro player, but not last year. Why blitz if you aren't going to have tight coverage on outside receivers. Twice it happened in that game, both with Alexander giving too much cushion. I can hope the defense is much better with everyone healthy, but in that game Savage had no impact.
Love will have some potential weapons that he can make games very interesting. The defense just looks dysfunctional maybe it was the DB coach...I don't know. But Green Bay needs some real pass rushers over the next two years or they will be picking high regardless of what Love does for the next few years.
Just MHO

And if Bakhtiari runs his team down some more, Murphy and Gutey may make the team yet younger.

It’s always unpredictable to determine what players can perform early in their careers. With technology and the vast amount of personal trainers/coaches/etc., rookies are coming into the league more ready to play than ever. But of course there are sooooo many variables.

If a team has an entrenched starter, then any rookie that gets drafted is most likely not gonna see much playing time at their position…unless injuries happen. So again, it’s always tough to predict.

This point can go either way, but many of these players got an extra year in college. Yes, one of those years they could not gear up and play, but it still gave them more time to interact with coaches to better refine their skills and build their strength and conditioning.

Love’n the “youts”-(Jersey Al) movement and excited to see how all of these pieces come together!!. Forgot to give JA props for his My Cousin Vinny reference last week.

I have been hooked on the Pack since 1978. Ted Thompson consistently kept the team among the youngest for years.
NOW is an exciting GOOD time to be a Packer fan !!!
I am looking forward to the upcoming season more than I have in YEARS !!

Last year Cory did an excellent story on Sean Rhyan. Anyone know any more about him ? I have seen players like him experience slow beginnings and bounce back to have excellent careers. ( Earl Dotson was one) I think he could be a “sleeper”

+ we have 11 selections in 2024 :)

It’s a brave new world, my friends.
A fresh start. Exciting because the “safety net” at the QB position is gone. I think most of us are optimistic about what Love can do; but he is still largely an unknown quantity.
One thing that’s been bugging me lately: why do some fans love the Packers by hating the Packers?
Seems kinda odd.
I don’t mean merely questioning the moves they’ve made or not made. That stuff is fun to debate. I mean just an overwhelming negativity about everything. Cheer up, hang on, and enjoy the ride!
My son just turned 29 the other day. When he was 12 I took him to Six Flags for his first taste of “real” roller coasters. We agreed that part of the excitement was due to them being just a little bit scary.
Same deal w GB in 2023 and beyond. (But mostly 2023 because after this season we’ll have a much better idea about Love’s capabilities.)
Can I get a Ric Flair “whooooo!”?