Joe Thomas has short arms and is one of the best LT's ever.

Wow, talk about jumping to conclusions... I did not know you were a mind reader COW. I guess there was no other reason for Jones to be fighting.

Its funny how ones perception can be so influenced by ones beliefs.

Interesting thought. And, yes, their 1st and 2nd round pick probably would have been enough to move up a 4-5 spots to grab Shazier.

I can see your point about Adams. While I think he's going to be a good player, the top 3 spots are all but locked up and for the foreseeable future (yes, Cobb will get re-signed). So, how valuable really is a #4 WR? Especially with all the depth at the position. A 2nd round ILB would have been nice, but the position was so thin this year. After Mosley or Shazier, the pickings were pretty slim.

All that said, jesus, slow your roll. It's the 3rd day of camp. Richardson had a nice day. Hyde is still ahead of HaHa. Dorsey is getting every chance to prove himself. But there is still A LOT of time for things to change.

If Hyde and Richardson emerge as we all hope (and Boykin continues on his trajectory) then, sure, there will be plenty of hindsight criticism. But like you said, with the WR and S uncertainty, you can't really fault the picks at the time.

I'm just really liking all I'm seeing and hearing about this team so far. (FYI. In your scenario, hypothetically, the Packers would have Shazier and Rodgers as their top 2 picks. Can't say I would be upset about that. Nothing but great things about Rodgers so far.)

PS: "Yes - Adams sounds like he's doing some good things." From a "ghost" to "doing some good things" in, what, 36 hours? Like I said, slow your roll.

But how often does a team get through an entire season without a wide receiver getting injured and missing some significant time (i.e. Cobb, 2013)?

Having depth there to insure AR has top shelf talent to throw to no matter who goes down isn't a bad thing. This team is going to score points. Even if the Defense improves to decidedly average, we will win the games we're suppose to win. A top 10 D would be great, but if we just improve to middle of the pack I'm fine with that. Most weeks, teams will need to score 30 to beat us

Love the pool of talent they've assembled on offense...I wouldn't have traded up for Shazier.

I see your point, Clay. At 11, the Titans took Taylor Lewan. I wouldn't have traded a 2nd and a 4th or more to get Lewan, Shazier or Mosley. Shazier went 15, and Mosley 17th. Dallas picked Zack Martin 16th, whom by all reports they really liked, and moving to 16th probably would have taken GB's 3rd and 4th or 5th. Moving up in the 1st round is costly! Strangely, Chicago might have done very well trading the 14th pick (they took Fuller) to GB, since they would have gotten our 2nd (53) and might have had their pick between Fuller and Ha Ha at 21! [In fairness, Chicago might have had to send their 5th or 6th round pick to even out the trade.]

In any event, if GB had traded up and thereby lost Adams, TT might have been looking hard at say Dante Moncrief at 85 (Moncrief went 90th) instead of Thornton. Come to think of it, that might have made Stroh happier about such a trade! Well, this is all speculation. The point of this post is that trading up is expensive. The GM has to really like the player to trade up, particularly in the 1st round.

Thank you for pointing that out about Tretter. I read he was wiped out by just about everyone he faced, not just Raji. I wouldn't say his bicep size is irrelevant either, tells me the boy is in the gym getting bigger and stronger.

And why are you so sure that Shazier is a "DIFFERENCE MAKER?" Really, I think you're just blowing smoke out your ass.

Watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Po4n2xehbc

There is no guarantee that Shazier would be a starter and there is no reason to think that HHCD can't be a starter. HHCD was a huge difference maker at Alabama.

About Adams, we'll see, but he was a HUGE playmaker at Fresno St: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20Y-YGtGFQk

I don't disagree with you at all on your "difference makers over depth" point, Cow. This is a defense that has been short on difference makers since Collins and Bishop were lost, no question, and it's possible (though by no means certain) Shazier could have been one.

However, it's easy to play the "shoulda" game when you have no idea about the "coulda" part of the equation. As others have pointed out above, there is a great likelihood no team in the 12-14 range (above which Shazier would have been a prohibitively expensive reach) would have made the trade. As we all know, every potential trade requires not just the ammunition to pay for it, but a partner willing to pull the trigger. You can say "shoulda" all day, but that doesn't mean there's a "coulda" to enable the "woulda."

If you're approaching it from the standpoint of "Sure would have been great if..." that's legit, but if you're thinking "They're going to suck again because they didn't," then you're really not approaching it fairly.

Totally agree. I liked Shazier also but he wasn't there. Dix was there. Ted picked Dix. Good move IMHO. End of story.

I think you are making the mistake of looking to the rookies to make the biggest impact. The players that tend to upgrade the team the most are the injured players, the players that were rookies last year, and sometimes FA's. Datone Jones should have a huge impact on the pass rush. Clay Matthews missed 5 games last year. Nick Perry is coming back from injury last year. We added Julius Peppers as a bigger name FA.

In regards to the OL, I feel like people are never happy with it. I'm really happy with it. Our only weak spot in my eyes is C and we have options there. It also happens to be an easier position to find a body for as C's don't have to be super athletic. I love Bakhtiari, I love Bulaga when he's healthy, I like Sitton a lot, and and Lang is plenty good IMO.

I don't think we'll see OL addressed next year with a high pick, I do think we'll see LB addressed, though. Hawk is getting older, Jones has been inconsistent. and while some of the depth guys have showed promise, they haven't shown the consistency to prove they are a starter. So I'd be surprised if we didn't see a LB in Day 1 or 2 next year.

I don't think so to be honest. S was weak last year. Mosley had MAJOR injury concerns. Also, imagine waiting until the end of the 3rd round to improve the S position, which was easily the worst position last year. I would've been upset about that. We also just lost James Jones in addition to Nelson, Cobb, and Boykin all having contracts coming up soon (until the Nelson extension). I just don't see how an ILB when we have Hawk and Jones and when we are adding more 4-3 elements to the defense makes more sense than a S and WR when S is an extreme need and WR took a big hit and may take another big one. (Also, having options helps negotiations.)

All I asked for in the first round is that one of the four (Mosley, Shazier, Pryor or Dix) would still be available at 21. I was elated when Dix was there. I still am. I think Dix is extremely likely to be a good to a very good player, and might have been the safest pick. I responded to COW by noting how expensive it is to trade up. I love it when TT drafts "football players." Watching Hayward and Hyde, both of whom have good but clearly not elite athletic gifts, shows the value of having players with instincts, football IQ, and love of the game. Athletically, Shazier and Pryor have elite attributes, but I think Mosley and Dix are football players.

Hell yea!

I hope so. But he has a lot to prove first. I do believe he is a gamer.

I honestly feel Mike Neal is really going to shine. He's lost more weight and should be more comfortable at OLB.