Packers sign Jordan Love to new contract

The new deal runs through 2024 and includes $13.5 million guaranteed.

The Packers won't be picking up the 5th year option on Jordan Love

That's because the team and the quarterback have agreed to a new contract that runs through 2024. 

From Pelissero:

Love will receive $13.5 million guaranteed, which is much less than the just over $20 million guaranteed he would have gotten on the 5th year option. 

No word yet on the cap impact but I'd expect it to be a significant help in 2024.

 

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

May 02, 2023 at 09:16 am

This is great news! Things looking up!

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CheesePuff's picture

May 02, 2023 at 07:13 pm

Great news for Love and Packer fans! They finally got the fresh start they wanted. And Rodgers is loving it in New York!

https://nypost.com/2023/05/02/aaron-rodgers-loving-new-york-city-life-wi...

Looks like everybody got what they wanted. Can’t wait to watch the Packers and Jets this season!

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Untylu1968's picture

May 02, 2023 at 09:48 am

Any praise for the FO from the crepe hanging crowd? An hour or two ago, they were idiots, give credit when credits due!

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greengold's picture

May 02, 2023 at 10:36 am

Absolutely. This FO should get a lot of credit for clearing AR to NYJ for a decent return, plus working this extension for Jordan Love. Both jobs well done, without looking backwards.

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Leatherhead's picture

May 02, 2023 at 12:12 pm

But....but...but I've spent six months reading that our FO is a bunch of clueless fools, evil idiots, and usurpers. How could this have been accomplished by such people?

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BirdDogUni's picture

May 02, 2023 at 04:02 pm

Blind Squirrel? ; P

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SoCalJim's picture

May 02, 2023 at 07:11 pm

Murphy must’ve accidentally locked himself in the janitor’s closet, again. That’s when Gute does his best work.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

May 02, 2023 at 01:03 pm

I might think twice about playing poker with whoever is now in charge.

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greengold's picture

May 02, 2023 at 01:14 pm

LOL!
They pulled a ton of strings to make it work. Gotta tip my hat to them, for sure!

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egbertsouse's picture

May 02, 2023 at 03:25 pm

OK, let's not put Gute into the NFL Executives HOF just yet. I will admit that he did a good job making the best of a bad situation. Unfortunately, he created the very same bad situation by his lack of acumen or cojones just last year when he refused to trade Rodgers for a potentially big haul of draft picks, gave him an enormous, horrible contract so he wouldn't pout, and quelching any opportunity to play Love in order to make an informed decision on whether he could play or not. All these posts seem to be like praising the captain of the Titanic because the ship sank slow enough that they could get almost half the people into lifeboats.

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beerandbrats's picture

May 02, 2023 at 09:52 am

Daniel Jones got paid pretty well without much production. Glad to see JL10 and his agent were very reasonable. Now go out there and earn that big pay day because we're all cheering for you!

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Coldworld's picture

May 02, 2023 at 10:43 am

They may not be if he’s good next time, they likely didn’t want to price him out of the chance if he’s up and down either. Just makes sense for both sides.

When Gute said that they were working on it that told me this is what they were aiming for. Exercising the one-sided team option takes only a formal pro-forma notification to the league. What I wasn’t sure if was whether the cap and negotiating positions would allow it to be formalized now. Good, now he has no distractions.

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Swisch's picture

May 02, 2023 at 10:10 am

I'm not sure what this deal accomplishes for Jordan Love or the Packers, but I hope it's a win-win.
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I'm more excited about Love with the Packers than I would be with any of the quarterbacks taken in the draft this past week, and most of the quarterbacks taken in recent years.
Of all the young QBs in the NFL (younger than Mahomes, Allen, Jackson), it seems only Burrow, Lawrence and Hurts are showing strong signs of stardom.
All of the others are more or less question marks, including Love.
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I hope Gute and LaFleur are excited about Love, and the Packers players, too.
They must have some sense of Love's potential as a QB.
If Love doesn't appear to have the potential to be a star quarterback in the NFL, then the Packers should have already moved on from him.
As long as it seems there is a potential is for stardom, then back Love with enthusiasm.
Give him every encouragement, every advantage to succeed.
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As fans, we know less about Love, and may have various opinions about him based on the fragments of evidence available to us; but in any case, let's get behind this guy to the extent that our support can help him to get to the top as an NFL quarterback, and attract him to continue to do so as a Packer for years to come.

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The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

May 02, 2023 at 10:25 am

The 5th year option wouldve been $20 mil that all wouldve had to be paid next year with no cap trick flexibility. Doing a short extension allows them to use the cap tricks to lessen the cap hit.

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murf7777's picture

May 02, 2023 at 01:34 pm

It also means they only have to guarantee 13.5 vs 22 with a 5th year option. The only other choice would've been to not do the 5th year option and if he did half way decent you are looking at teh 40M per that Jones just signed.

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The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

May 02, 2023 at 03:48 pm

The guarantee portion is kinda irrelevant tho as hes going to be their starter for the foreseeable future. The important takeaway is that it gives them cap flexibility they wouldnt have had with the 5th year option as all $20 mil wouldve had to be capped in 2024 with no option to restructure. And if he balls out this year, that extension probably gets replaced by a bigger, longterm extension anyways.

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DoubleJ's picture

May 02, 2023 at 10:30 am

Love's guaranteed money goes from $20ishM to $13.5M. He also is able to make up to $22.5M if he hits some accelerators on the deal. Since GB usually only guarantees signing bonuses, the $13.5M is spread out over 2 years, or more if void years are used, instead of 1. That drops Love's guaranteed cap hit next year from $20M > 6.75M. For a team that was $40M over the cap that $13M savings right now is a nice start to getting under the cap. Also for Love he gets the $13.5M today instead of $20M in 18 months. There is something to be said about getting less total but not having to wait.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

May 02, 2023 at 01:24 pm

There is something to be said for getting $13.5M for sure (plus $2.98M he was already guaranteed in 2023) instead of maybe getting $20.27M in 2024 or perhaps getting little or nothing in 2024.

Your numbers are pretty good, by which I mean that I am not entirely sure what Pelisero and Shefter meant exactly in their tweets. It is not clear if Love can earn $2.5M as incentives or if he hits certain landmarks in 2023 then his salary gets a $2.5M escalator in 2024.

I assume he gets the $13.5M as a signing bonus immediately and that his 2023 guaranteed base salary is reduced from $2.298M to $1.01M, with the difference added back in next season. Love's 2023 cap number increases by $1.5M or a bit more which would make his 2024 cap number around $11M.

But those assumptions could very easily be wrong.

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croatpackfan's picture

May 02, 2023 at 03:47 pm

Welcome back TGR.

I would like to know is there are any news how restructured contract of ACR looks like. I'm only interesting if it lower Packers cap hit. Other data are not important. Thank you!

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

May 02, 2023 at 06:43 pm

No news. Any changes to AR's contract no longer can affect GB's cap.

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mnbadger's picture

May 02, 2023 at 12:05 pm

I too hope it's a win/win.
The encouragement needs to given along with praise and corrective coaching as needed.
No gold stars for nice tries or good ideas.
No holding back when a good old fashioned kick in the tail is needed.
One of my favorite coach quotes is still the "no more rocket balls please" line from Holmgren to the old gunslinger. Only topped by Lombardi's "what the hell is going on out there?!"
Let's not build an overly sensitive prima dona. Keep it real and keep it sharp.
GPG!

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Swisch's picture

May 02, 2023 at 01:33 pm

I agree that corrective coaching and even an occasional kick in the tail can be positive things in building up a winning quarterback.
An ascending quarterback should want his coach to be tough but fair.

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dobber's picture

May 02, 2023 at 01:18 pm

"I'm not sure what this deal accomplishes for Jordan Love"

It should put a big chunk of cash in his pocket right now.

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NitschkeFan's picture

May 02, 2023 at 10:16 am

I need The Great Reynoldo! Help explain to me what this means salary cap- wise?

Glad they appear to have given Love a 2 year window to prove himself (if I am understanding this correctly).

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jannes bjornson's picture

May 02, 2023 at 10:46 am

A refi vs. giving a 5th year, as he did with Savage and getting locked into a player carrying higher risk for the ROI.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

May 02, 2023 at 02:09 pm

We don't know so many things! Did they add three void years? Is the $13.5M guaranteed coming now as a signing bonus, as most believe? Am I dividing $13.5M by 5 years or 2 years? Love had a fully guaranteed base salary of $2.98M for 2023 already. Was that reduced to the minimum of $1.01M? Is the difference ($2.98M minus $1.01M) being added back in next year?

The restructure of Savage generates $5.5M in cap relief. Savage's cap number goes down from $7.901M to $2.388M.

If Love's $13,5M is paid immediately and if it is only prorated over two years, that is $6.75M in 2023 and again in 2024. Add in the $1.01M base and his old proration of $1.641M and Love's new cap number would be $9.401M, an increase of $5.46M. That would eat up all but $50K of the cap savings just generated by Savage's restructure. It could be done that way. GB is still a little short on cap and would need to extend Gary.

More likely, they added three dummy years so the $13.5M is prorated over 5 yards to get a $2.7M proration. Love's base probably was reduced to $1.01M. His old proration has to be counted - it is $1.641M. Love's new cap # would then be $5.351M, about $1.4M more than it had been. Savage's savings of $5.5M minus this modest increase in Love's cap means the Packers would net about $4.1M or so. Ken Ingalls thought GB needed about $4M more in cap space whereas I had it around $3.5M. So, GB would be good to start the season.

They probably will extend Gary and save $3M to $4M, which then could be spent on another outside player, a safety or a receiver type, or on Amos, Lewis and/or Crosby. One never knows (maybe Gary wants the sun and the moon), so until Gary signs, maybe they have to sit and wait until cutdowns in late August to see who might pop free.

There are very few other avenues of cap relief, though a couple fairly small ones exist, or they could go back and convert all the game active bonuses of all players with one into signing bonuses to generated $4M or so.

They may have structured Love's deal in some other way which would change the numbers.

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greengold's picture

May 02, 2023 at 02:26 pm

If I remember right from your previous article, Savage is one down now of those very few cap savings avenues for 2023.

Was it the Gary extension (which at this point is good to have) and the other converting a select group of players’ workout bonuses into roster bonuses? Or signing bonuses?

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

May 02, 2023 at 03:00 pm

MVYR - available cap savings:

$2.6M - Nijman
$1.3M - Runyan
$258K - Dillon
$68K --- Deguara
$28K --- O'Donnell

Extension:
$3M to $4M from Gary

~ $4M Convert GA bonuses to signing bonus
~ $4M Convert W/O bonuses to SBs (if still possible?)

Taking salary into consideration at cutdowns. Not big Money here.

Maybe Russ Ball knows some other tricks.
As for me, That's, that's all folks!

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greengold's picture

May 02, 2023 at 04:15 pm

Hahaha! Nice.

Ba-de-ba-de-ba-de-ba!!!

Thanks, TGR!

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Coldworld's picture

May 02, 2023 at 06:26 pm

I would not be surprised if they extend Nijman for other reasons soon. This was the next big step that had to be addressed though.

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greengold's picture

May 02, 2023 at 06:37 pm

Good point. I like Yosh, but I’ve been a fan of his since his UDFA signing. He’s been a valuable asset being able to swing L/R Tackle, and was accomplished enough at it at the college level at VT. Ton of development went into where he is today, with room yet to grow.

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Coldworld's picture

May 02, 2023 at 06:40 pm

He’s going to be cheaper now than in the future, or, if he does take steps back, it won’t all be guaranteed. Get him some money now and build in incentives he can earn.

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jannes bjornson's picture

May 02, 2023 at 05:27 pm

The Savage restructure was good news for me. When did that go down?

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RCPackerFan's picture

May 02, 2023 at 10:23 am

Really smart move by the Packers!

It will be interesting to see how the cap work is set up, but this was a really smart move.

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mnbadger's picture

May 02, 2023 at 12:09 pm

I can't believe I'm saying this, but I wish it were more money, honestly.
If he and his agent are confident in their ability, wouldn't they have pushed harder for more years and/or $'s?
Or is it possible we have a qb1 that is leaving some ammo in the GM's gun to bring in more talent to the team?
Either way, I'm glad to have this settled. Now go EARN a bigger payday.
GPG!

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

May 02, 2023 at 02:30 pm

Scott Fitzgerald of OTC has already written an article that in essence suggests that Love declined to bet on himself and took the sure thing. Fitzgerald thinks this was a great decision and deal for GB and a questionable one for Love.

Now, it is kind of like personal injury attorneys. They might advise clients not to take the insurance company's offer. True, if the attorney had 10 tough cases, he might get more money combined if he went to trial in all 10 cases even if he loses 3. The 7 he won might be very happy clients (or maybe one client won but was underwhelmed by what the jury awarded). But it is a little rough on the 3 who didn't take the sure thing, the offer from the insurance company, and instead went to trial, lost, and got nothing. Macro versus a micro perspective. The other scenario is the criminal defendant who is offered a plea deal for 7 years and is facing 25 years. I just saw this: they didn't take the deal and got 12 years. Ouch.

IDK. I probably would have advised a relative to take the sure extra $13.5M. Love's rookie deal was for $12M and is fully guaranteed. So if he has been smart he might be in a position to take a chance.

https://overthecap.com/packers-and-jordan-love-agree-to-new-contract

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croatpackfan's picture

May 02, 2023 at 04:01 pm

I agree in total with you TGR. He got money and can earn more if he will be more than above average, so I can not see that he is not betting on himself. Contrary to that. And he surely knows if he will be more than very good, he'll get his big money later. I also hope that he will not suffer significant injury. That is another issue that should be taken in consideration.

Thank you for your work for us TGR.

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BirdDogUni's picture

May 02, 2023 at 04:09 pm

IIRC, AR12 took a pretty friendly first extension too, didn't he?

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mnbadger's picture

May 02, 2023 at 07:28 pm

please don't start 12 comparisons already.
Can we move forward please.
GPG

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Oppy's picture

May 03, 2023 at 01:07 am

Is it possible (even if unlikely) that the Packers sat down with Love and explained this is a prove it deal that ultimately puts the team in a far more advantageous place to build around him, put him in the best position to succeed, and if he plays well, still get that big payday extension?

I mean, if having more cap means you can surround Love with more talent, that means higher chance of success which results in the big contract, right?

Is it possible that Love IS betting on himself in that way- and is it possible that Love might actually be taking the Tom Brady approach to career management?

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greengold's picture

May 03, 2023 at 05:37 am

Ops! Bringin’ it!

I’m glad you brought it up, and I think Love saw much that he DIDN’T want to do, watching every AR move x 3 years.

Jordan Love’s a bright kid. The Brady approach truly is the smartest play for optimizing impact & legacy.

Win Lombardi Trophies.

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Cubbygold's picture

May 02, 2023 at 10:26 am

Sorry, completely off topic here...

Vegas released ROY odds, and LVN has the sixth best odds to win DROY. Just interesting relative to the commentary around the pick being a 'reach' or that he's a developmental prospect that won't have a huge impact in his first year, etc.

Also interesting that Myles Murphy and Nolan Smith don't crack the top 10 for DROY.

Just seems like interesting numbers given that vegas is putting it's money behind these odds, whereas a draft review article can just be speculative to generate interest/clicks.

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HawkPacker's picture

May 02, 2023 at 10:41 am

Great.

I also just read that LVN's Iowa college head coach Kirk Ferentz states basically that LVN is the real deal and his best football is ahead of him.

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mnbadger's picture

May 02, 2023 at 12:10 pm

Good note, but Kirk Ferentz also thinks his son is the best person equipped to run Iowa's offense.
No disrespect to LVN, but just saying.
GPG!

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WestCoastPackerBacker's picture

May 02, 2023 at 10:48 am

That is interesting. There's got to be some kind of research that goes into the oddsmakers predictions. They can still be off by a wide margin but you're right about people putting their money down. Who was ahead of him?

I've seen Van Ness likened to the Clay Matthews pick; high motor, not quite ready with technique, needs some time to learn. But Clay hit 10 sacks as a rookie, starting 13 games. With 3 fumble recoveries, a forced fumble and a TD on a fumble recovery. Man that was a fun run when he was young and healthy.

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Cubbygold's picture

May 02, 2023 at 10:56 am

Anderson +350
Carter +550
Wilson +750
Gonzalez +1200
Witherspoon +1200
LVN +1400
Branch +1600
Forbes +1600
Campbell +1600

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mnbadger's picture

May 02, 2023 at 12:12 pm

The lions have two on the list!
GPG!

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dobber's picture

May 02, 2023 at 01:19 pm

Probably some combination of draft position, supporting cast, and likelihood to play a lot of snaps.

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Oppy's picture

May 03, 2023 at 01:24 am

Vegas doesn't put its money behind those odds. Vegas doesn't gamble with their money. Vegas shifts the odds with time to ensure they are putting other gambler's money behind the (ever-changing) odds.

It's a game of balance the books. Live on the juice.

Remember, Vegas doesn't gamble.

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Coldworld's picture

May 02, 2023 at 10:37 am

As I suspected, the sensible option for both sides and our cap recovery too.

We all know Love isn’t going anywhere if he’s good and that that may take time to clearly determine. We also know that the team needs an out if he’s not but that he’d want a guarantee while we had no option but a bigger one if no deal was signed. Love likely gets some money earlier and I anticipate that the cap cost is spread a little more evenly allowing for that.

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HarryHodag's picture

May 02, 2023 at 10:42 am

What this does is give Jordan the confidence that the team wants him around. One less thing to think about heading into the season for him. What the Packers have is a quarterback schooled in MLF's system with Tom Clements as qb coach. His Darkness credited Clements with making him a better qb.

By the end of this year there will be a clear idea what they have. What gives me some hint of excitement with this move is we will get to see MLF's offense in the way it was designed, not how His Darkness wanted it to be.

It is unlikely Love will ever be Rodgers or Favre but if he can be Don Majkowski it would be acceptable. He has enough weapons now to move the ball.

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HawkPacker's picture

May 02, 2023 at 10:45 am

And Majik was very exciting to watch!

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Cubbygold's picture

May 02, 2023 at 10:53 am

I really hope Watson and Doubs stay healthy this year, and some of the rookies play well enough so that we can see MLF's offense on full display. I'm just worried that they're going to have to really simplify a lot of the game plan until this group can gel and get on the same page, which may not be in 2023.

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The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

May 02, 2023 at 11:52 am

I expect the opposite. Without Rodgers trying to run a completely different offense that none of the young guys know, they can actually focus on perfecting one offense. No more tug of war pulling these guys in different directions. One voice, one message, one direction.

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mnbadger's picture

May 02, 2023 at 12:16 pm

Even if it is simplified, it boils down to talent and execution after that.
Lombardi proved that simplifying the scheme wasn't a bad thing when combined with talent and execution.
We're getting better talent, now coach them up and get them to execute to a high level.
I'd be happy with that over the choppy messes we've witnessed in the past.
GPG!

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dobber's picture

May 02, 2023 at 01:21 pm

That's one of my fears with Watson. In his usage a year ago, he was taking a lot of hits...they've got to try to protect him a little.

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Coldworld's picture

May 02, 2023 at 06:46 pm

A lot of that, Doubs too, was the absolute lack of threat from any other receiver. Defenses could just target them with multiple bodies and pack the short zones and just leave a sweeper safety. Cobb, Lazard and Watkins scared no one.

This year not only do we have other targets, we have bigger options and faster options. Several players can stretch the field or threaten yards after the catch. That also decreases the predictability of last year. Should help the OL and RBs too.

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greengold's picture

May 02, 2023 at 02:32 pm

Yeah, Cubby, I’m lowering my expectations for that real gelling until past Week 8. I think that’s when we’ll really see players playing more within scheme and thinking less.

That comfort level is going to take some time, but I like this youth movement.

Love’s private workout with the now veterans should help our starters, for sure.

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CentralPA_PackFan's picture

May 02, 2023 at 11:05 am

Yes, if Love just turns out to be a Majkowski (pre-injury) or Lynn Dickey level QB, I will be a happy puppy. With a good defense, you could win plenty of games with either of those QBs. Unfortunately, especially in Dickey's case, the defense was generally sorely lacking. Hopefully, that won't be the case with Love. With now eight first round picks on D, that shouldn't be problem. Yes, I'm looking right at you, Joe Barry.

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The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

May 02, 2023 at 11:53 am

Hes not gonna be either of those guys. Hes gonna be Jordan Love.

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croatpackfan's picture

May 02, 2023 at 04:07 pm

I want to add The_ Baloney (except it is not baloney at all)_Stops_Here, he must be first and foremost Jordan Love to be successful!

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NickPerry's picture

May 02, 2023 at 10:52 am

I'm sure there will still be some who view this as a poor move but I think it's smart as hell. Nice job Gute!

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The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

May 02, 2023 at 11:54 am

Oh yeah. The newly crafted narrative is this extension somehow proves the Packers arent confident in Love. The mental gymnastics just keep evolving at break-neck speeds. Gute might be the most hated GM in the history of the league and it makes me want to puke.

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Packers0808's picture

May 02, 2023 at 10:53 am

Have this gut feeling,[and mine is good sized] Love will be a lot better than be expect! Not saying MVP caliber but way above average for these guys to have so much faith in his future!

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The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

May 02, 2023 at 11:57 am

How great Love ultimately becomes is asking the wrong question. The right question is how good will this offense become with MLF/Love steering the ship? I think the sky is the limit.

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greengold's picture

May 02, 2023 at 04:20 pm

Agree! I think Love is going to light it up. Bigtime.

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splitpea1's picture

May 02, 2023 at 10:53 am

The FO deserves credit for this sensible and ideal solution.

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Since'61's picture

May 02, 2023 at 11:00 am

Excellent move by Gute and the FO. This is essentially a one year prove it deal for Love. Gives the Packers plenty of flexibility for giving Love a longer term contract after 2023 or for chucking him if he flops. Plus it saves some cap space for 2023. Give credit where/when credit is due. Thanks, Since '61

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jont's picture

May 02, 2023 at 11:16 am

'61, you're one of the more sensible commenters around here, but I'm going to disagree with you a bit.

I don't think it's a one year prove it deal. It seems to me that the FO was trying to avoid that. Make it two years to take the pressure off-- or at least the possible distraction off-- of thinking about his next contract during this, his first season behind center. That and a vote of confidence, I'd say... something tangible to back up the nice words they've been throwing at him.

And credit to him for taking a sensible offer and showing confidence that he'll perform and clear big bucks with a new deal next year.

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mnbadger's picture

May 02, 2023 at 12:21 pm

I wouldn't be surprised, if Love does a real good job next season, that the first extension comes as early as next year.
If he plays well and stays healthy, both parties would be well served by a 3 to 5 year extension with reasonable guarantees.
Love will get a large signing bonus - set for life kind of money.
Packers would have an affordable qb for the duration.
Another Win/Win
GPG!
GGG!
PS - I like the fact that our GM is now in charge.

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Rarescope's picture

May 03, 2023 at 05:15 am

Pretty sure any first round draft pick collecting an NFL salary for four years (even one or two years if even moderately frugal) already has set for life money - provided they don’t spend it on diamonds and instead invest it in even the most basic of mutual funds. Just sayin ;)

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Since'61's picture

May 02, 2023 at 12:50 pm

jont I appreciate you taking the time to provide good feedback to my earlier post. I agree with your points. I also think this gives the FO the chance to evaluate Love over the course of an entire season before deciding upon and/or committing to the next step with Love.

If Love plays well I would expect him to receive a healthy extension before the 2024 season. If he doesn't play very well the Packers may choose to give him another one year deal or a less lucrative 2-3 year extension with options for both sides over the length of the contract. Then there is the chance that Love fails badly and they decide not to continue with him which I'm not expecting unless they believe they can acquire a franchise QB prospect in the 2024 draft.

What I really like about this deal is that it leaves all options open for the Packers and mitigates to some extent the 2023 cap hit. It's a solid and a very fair move for both parties. I agree to credit Love for basically betting on himself to earn the big bucks with a new deal next year. Thanks, Since '61

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jannes bjornson's picture

May 02, 2023 at 01:21 pm

If he moves along on schedule, I would give him his longer-term extension, mid-to-late 2024 campaign, accruing some CAP and keeping the trade deadline open to secure a veteran if they are in the Playoff hunt. They have a history of rescheduling Contract Extensions in December. The Five-year deal should have never been in play.

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dobber's picture

May 02, 2023 at 01:24 pm

I think your take is about right, Jont. This makes 2023 more about growth and less about justification.

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jont's picture

May 03, 2023 at 11:04 am

👍

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Samson's picture

May 02, 2023 at 11:37 am

Have to give the Gute credit..He wasn't just fumbling with his words the other day...he didn't want to jump the count...He knew what was coming & wanted to control the flow of info better for both the player & team.

I'll tip a mug (later today) to JLo's next Packer contract...My bet: it'll be a bit more, quite a bit.

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jont's picture

May 03, 2023 at 11:08 am

Please, let him get a better nickname than JLo 🙏

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Spawny's picture

May 02, 2023 at 11:46 am

Let's be honest. Love was guaranteed a 4th year salary and if the Pack exercised a fifth year that would probably bring the guarantee to the 30 million range. (4th year plus 5th year). Now the Pack pays 6.5 million per year for Love.

No matter how you look at it. This is not a ringing endorsement for Love. It is a totally one sided deal to benefit the packers.

After all the bullshit lies spewing out of Gutekunst's mouth, this only confirms that Gute is a lying sack of shit. Rodgers didnt say it but Gute never called Rodgers this spring. Rodgers knows what Gutekunst is. The whole team knows what Gutekunst is. As for Murphy remember this. "You are who you hire."

Green Bay is burning because Nero Murphy and his son Caligula Gutekunst are running the asylum. For you idiots out there spouting what a good deal this is... no one wants to play for lying sacks of shit like Murphy and Gutekunst.

Furthermore, no one wants to be drafted by Gutekunst. Witness this last draft. Witness Gute's last 4 drafts and especially his third round success rate. Draft and develop is simply a way of saying 'oops another year of number ones not being ready to play in yhe NFL".

Finally Bahktiari comes off the books. So why do the Packers need money now? Rodgers is off the books after this year. Well at least we know that Love paid for this draft.

So far Gute has drafted one bonifide all pro. That being Jaire. GUTEKUNST IS A WORTHLESS PILE OF SHIT.

Jaire is gone as long as this club keeps Bruce Barry. Bruce Barry was a working man. In two years the Packers will have more money than God to attract free agents. Unfortunately no one will accept an offer from this front office.

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Samson's picture

May 02, 2023 at 12:02 pm

I don't get it....Why is this stuff allowed on CHTV?
Maybe I need to go back on hiatus...I doubt anyone comes here to read this.

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Spawny's picture

May 02, 2023 at 12:08 pm

Because the Packers Inbox shut down all replies. Go away Samson to a place where everyone thinks like you. Try the local cow herd.

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Coldworld's picture

May 02, 2023 at 06:51 pm

Sorry, no fan of Murphy, but this move made perfect sense for everyone involved, regardless of the on field outcome. If you can’t see that then do be it, you will just have to be baffled as well as wrong.

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Leatherhead's picture

May 02, 2023 at 12:16 pm

Mostly because the owner isn't a Totalitarian who believes that opinions which are not the same as his should be silenced, even when they're stupid or just plain wrong..

I exercise my right to not read stuff . I skip over it. But you can't blame people for lambasting Gutekunst because that's what has been going on here since the season ended.

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mnbadger's picture

May 02, 2023 at 12:29 pm

I wish I knew how to give a half up and half down vote LH.
1st paragraph up
2nd paragraph down, sorry.
Maybe I've been on a darkness retreat, but when did BG become the NFL's biggest liar?
If you've chosen 12's word over gutey, that's your opinion which I'll respect.
But it's only an opinion unless there is third and fourth party confirmation.
All I've heard is 12 gets worse cell coverage in Malibu than I get in a deep rural valley in MN.
I can easily smell the bullshit on that one as even I get occasional calls and texts through.
GPG!

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Leatherhead's picture

May 02, 2023 at 01:19 pm

I think you're misunderstanding me. I'm a fan of the FO and think that Murphy-Gutekunst-LaFleur have done a damn good job. I haven't liked coming to this site and reading people....including some who are usually reasonable people....constantly bashing the FO, the coaches, etc.

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mnbadger's picture

May 02, 2023 at 07:46 pm

got it now, indeed I missed your point.
GPG

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Samson's picture

May 02, 2023 at 12:32 pm

Your explanation is the same as an 'easy out'....Turn a blind eye....Make believe & 'right' will prevail.... OS --- you know that isn't true.

Standards really do count...even on the web.
Nothing has changed or improved here....Once again, there are other places to be....Bye.

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Leatherhead's picture

May 02, 2023 at 01:17 pm

Deleted . Waste of time.

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Samson's picture

May 02, 2023 at 02:04 pm

You need to refine your definition of 'free speeech'.
His original post was massive misinformation fueled by anger & total disrespect.

That's not free speech in any society.

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Leatherhead's picture

May 02, 2023 at 03:06 pm

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bottlefliper's picture

May 02, 2023 at 04:03 pm

Fox making a living on missonformation for the dumbest only, just as the the weak wig or a Rogan clown clowns like AR. Or a coward like Musk silence the good strong people.

Never saw an totalitarian who is not from the extreme far right. Last one from the "left" must have been Stalin.
Like Lombardi said all the time, thanks good for the Democrats who saved US so many times. I was a GOP guy but they lost here mind with all that totalitarian shit. You can see it here in Florida everyday like this DeSantis dicator ruined the state with all his crazie rules and his missinformation. Just unreal. Never saw someone that unamerican. Compared to that Biden is a hero and the best thing he is all about freedom. Just not about lies. And as the past showed clearly.....50% of the people have can not filter the dumbest missinformation, Would that be the case.......Musk, Carlon and Murchoch would be with any work.

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Leatherhead's picture

May 02, 2023 at 04:24 pm

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jannes bjornson's picture

May 02, 2023 at 05:15 pm

The National Socialist Party were Fascists and authoritarians who scapegoated and murdered millions of Jews, the Infirm, homosexulas, Priests, Nuns, Pastors and German citizens who formed any sort of Resistance movement, quite the opposite of FDR's New Deal socialist agenda. Big Pharma is hardly a leftist entity and thankfully, they had the technology in place to deal with a historic and deadly Pandemic. I hope you didn't spit this shit on your students down in Texas. I know they still teach the Lost Cause in their textbooks

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Leatherhead's picture

May 02, 2023 at 05:25 pm

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jannes bjornson's picture

May 02, 2023 at 05:47 pm

Better review" Mein Kamp" and the Hitler speeches of 1933. It was a Rightwing, Militaristic, absolute totalitarian regime ,controlling media via Goebbels propaganda machine, "Die Grosse Luge", the Big Lie as in the contemporary world of Right-wing/ Frightwing media dispensing another Big Lie con game germinated by Paxson the AG, in Texas, 12-6-20 as per the "Start HIS Steal" disinformation and Misinformation rubbish Fox News paid dearly for disseminating in the Dominion lawsuit. more suits pending. The true Deep and Dark State would be the Gestapo knocking on your door, or Putin working for the KGB in Dresden, East Germany. Now he just has his FSB henchmen murder Families of opponents, or toss them out windows.

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Coldworld's picture

May 02, 2023 at 06:59 pm

Or the Stasi, or OGPU. The point is not the end of the spectrum claimed it’s the subsumation of individual value into an all encompassing statist mindset for them to direct. Intolerance feeds it and they feed you at first and then on you, because you and your anger no longer matter unless it furthers their current desires.

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Leatherhead's picture

May 02, 2023 at 06:29 pm

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Leatherhead's picture

May 02, 2023 at 04:25 pm

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Leatherhead's picture

May 02, 2023 at 06:29 pm

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Oppy's picture

May 03, 2023 at 01:29 am

I can't believe I missed whatever this landslide meltdown must have been.

That's a LOT of "Deleted" lol

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greengold's picture

May 03, 2023 at 05:30 am

I missed it too.

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jont's picture

May 03, 2023 at 11:14 am

Would've been something to see, I guess, but I am glad he deleted it all. Thanks, Leatherhead.

I'd just as soon see CHTV stick to football and leave ALL the rest of it for somewhere else.

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marpag1's picture

May 02, 2023 at 12:08 pm

"Rodgers didnt say it but Gute never called Rodgers this spring."

Um, Rodgers DID say that Gute called him, and he said it plainly, but you don't seem to be interested in reality. Rodgers clearly said that he saw all of the missed call messages on his phone, but he didn't answer his phone or call back simply because Gute didn't try to contact him by Facetime.

As for all of your other over-the-top cliches, mixed metaphors and misinformation, thanks for giving me a good laugh.

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Qoojo's picture

May 02, 2023 at 01:11 pm

"Furthermore, no one wants to be drafted by Gutekunst", just watch videos of the guys drafted this year by packers as they got the call from the packers, then get back to us. You appear to be a conspiracy sort of guy and never happy. Pick another team to support and find another forum. The Vikings bandwagon is always willing to accept more idiots and its the best time of the year for them.

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dobber's picture

May 02, 2023 at 01:43 pm

I think most players couldn't care less which GM drafts them.

Just some guy howling at the moon.

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Qoojo's picture

May 02, 2023 at 06:35 pm

Exactly. These guys have been dreaming of making it to the NFL.

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Oppy's picture

May 03, 2023 at 01:32 am

Spawny,

just put on the Gotham Green #8 jersey, relinquish your cheesehead, and stop being such a cunt. (In the british sense of the word, of course.)

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stockholder's picture

May 02, 2023 at 12:58 pm

I'm so happy, you guys are happy.
Play that Happy Boy song.

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Untylu1968's picture

May 02, 2023 at 01:11 pm

Nothing to piss and moan about today, and that's all you got? You and spawny should take a ride to New York and check out your boys new haircut.. He's at OTAs, if you're wondering where to find him...

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stockholder's picture

May 02, 2023 at 01:39 pm

If I wanted to piss and moan.
It would have been the 3 years
of pay, prior to this.

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jannes bjornson's picture

May 02, 2023 at 05:21 pm

Love has something to prove. He should perform. If they mess with his squad, he doesn't have to sign an extension. He would be in demand as a QB and able to determine his own fate.

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stockholder's picture

May 02, 2023 at 07:37 pm

Franchise Tag.

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Oppy's picture

May 03, 2023 at 05:27 am

Yeah, because that's how you keep a fledgling- and perhaps franchise- QB happy.

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ricky's picture

May 02, 2023 at 01:09 pm

Love is gambling on himself. Or, maybe his agent suggested this move. As a PR move, it seems that Love is giving the team some cap space when they need it. But, his agent (and Love) have to be aware of the contract signed by the Giants Daniel Jones: four years, $160 million. Yes, he's played more games, but has been inconsistent, at a minimum. So, if Love has a solid season next year, what will he be asking for? And if the Packers refuse, what is Plan B? This is not a guarantee, but definitely a possibility. It seems that once again, the Packers have put themselves in a position where the QB has more power than he should. We'll see. Because this all depends on how well Love performs. And even if he got a contract in the range of Jones, it would still be significantly less than Rodgers got in his final years.

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dobber's picture

May 02, 2023 at 01:40 pm

I suspect the team communicated that it was unlikely to use the 5th year option, and they worked together to generate this alternative.

I agree: Daniel Jones is a terrible comparison. He's played a lot of football...some of it very bad. One year pretty decent. He's still a very meh passer but has saved them a couple games with his legs. Love can't claim that kind of contract...not yet. Even Jones' cap number is only about $20M this year. It picks up next year, but the Giants could easily push out some of his cash value into guarantees if he plays well, or cut him after 2024 if he doesn't, and generate cap space.

The market will set Love's value about 18 months from now.

"...it would still be significantly less than Rodgers got in his final years."

Keep in mind that ARod's cap hits have been mostly in the $26-32M range per year over recent memory...but that's in part because the Packers kept reworking, pushing out money, and giving him new guarantees both to generate cap space and to keep him happy.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

May 02, 2023 at 03:06 pm

Very likely, but in the end, would they have exercised the option if Love had called them on it? I sure don't know.

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Coldworld's picture

May 02, 2023 at 06:38 pm

Love is no sure thing. Which side would have blinked? If they did, what would have been the feelings after. This works well for both sides. If Love didn’t believe in himself then maybe try and force it, but if he does well he’s getting more before this deal expires, if he’s in the middle, he doesn’t want to force their hand to jump after year one. Good sense on both sides. Love can buy mom a bigger gift now too.

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Booner's picture

May 02, 2023 at 01:23 pm

Good move for both sides! If Love turns out to be the guy he will get his payday in two years! $13.5 guaranteed is not chump change!

GO Pack Go!

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dobber's picture

May 02, 2023 at 01:41 pm

He's getting a payday right now.

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murf7777's picture

May 02, 2023 at 01:44 pm

I'm guessing if Love turns out to be the guy, they will do another extension next year.

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GregC's picture

May 02, 2023 at 01:38 pm

Nicely played by the Packers and a good deal for Love too. As burdensome as that Aaron Rodgers contract was, they managed to worm their way out of that situation without too much damage. Just a huge cap hit this year, but it's a retooling year anyway. I think they got lucky, because what if the Jets weren't interested in acquiring Rodgers and what if Rodgers wanted to play another year in Green Bay? But the end result is what matters, and this is not bad.

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CheesedDeadHead's picture

May 02, 2023 at 02:03 pm

I expected this to happen after they were able to trade AR before the draft (if they hadn't and were waiting for June 1st, they may have just exercised the 5th year option). I think this is a great deal for both. As we have seen recently, even very contentious relationships between a star QB (AR, Lamar Jackson) can be smoothed over with the right amount of money. If Love looks like a top 10 QB by the end of 2023/into 2024 then the Packers will pay the money necessary to keep him off the market. This gives Love the time to show what he can do and the Packers can wade out part of the cap hell (through 2024) until they need to make a bigger commitment to Love or look for a new QB. I have the feeling Love will be showing he's ready and he's another excellent GB QB.

Imagine the exploding heads of the Vikings, Bears and Lions fans if the Packers have another excellent QB (not saying Love will be HOF quality, but top 10 is way better than the other north teams have been able to consistently do).

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

May 02, 2023 at 02:42 pm

The agreement with Jordan Love is an A+ for the Packers. And I think it is a B for Jordan Love.

Kudos to everyone in the front office, and at least to the guys who made these decisions and got this deal negotiated. That probably means Russ Ball plus Gute and/or Murphy. They've played their cards well lately.

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marpag1's picture

May 02, 2023 at 03:26 pm

I'm still trying to get my head around this. But I agree that this is a win - win.

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Qoojo's picture

May 02, 2023 at 06:41 pm

Packers get a price reduction if he does not perform well, and Love gets more money if he performs.

Is there a roster date for the guaranteed amount?

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Jeff Hayes's picture

May 02, 2023 at 05:43 pm

Jordan Love just showed he's a team player by not demanding them to pay the 20 million or cut him,thats what Rodgers would do and has! The entire time Rodgers was here it was all about being paid as the highest in the NFL now Love shows he is willing to let the FO have some wiggle room on the cap to surround him with players to help the TEAM!

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Rebecca's picture

May 03, 2023 at 07:38 am

I think it was a negotiation by Jordan Love’s rep and the Packers. Love didn’t show anything. And he didn’t let the Packers have “wiggle” room. Maybe Love will donate his salary so we can pay Kenny and Rashan and Dillon etc? I doubt that Love took a discount on himself. This is a business not a charity event.

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canadapacker's picture

May 02, 2023 at 06:16 pm

I hope that Love will be successful - but doubt if he will be as successful as AR was in his first season although GB had a losing record. I like what Love did by taking the 2 year deal - and hopefully we will get somewhat out of AR's cap purgatory in 2024 - and then will be able to add some better FA's next year. Now Love's success will depend upon whether on NOT Lafleur is the genius that everybody was saying he was when AR won back to back MVP' Scheme and a consistent D and Special teams will keep GB in most games without crazy QB heroics. Going to be fun - I hope

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ko40489's picture

May 03, 2023 at 05:57 am

While I think the FO is shaky, this move makes sense all the way around. It's going to take a couple years to be able to assess if Love is the long term solution at QB. The team saves some money and gets a chance to make that determination. If he proves himself, Love will get his big payday. It's refreshing that both sides could work this out without all the drama that we've endured over the past 3 years. Part of being a great leader is gaining respect. And with the way Love has approached this, he's off to a good start.

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