I know I will get it for this but he is not the same Aaron Rodgers. He is hesitant, almost looks lost, remember I do not need practice and it shows. Sorry to say they are not on the same page.

I never got on the super man rogers bangwagon. To be hall of fame I think it takes more than two good years.
Rogers started behind a top O line with top TE's and receivers to throw to.
He was super in that situation. Until KC realized he was picking zones apart and went to man. From that day forward he became just mortal, average guy.
Now with a pourous O line, crappy receivers, TE's that spend more time blocking then catching, he is average at best. His performance shows that he is not a great QB people have raised him up to be.

What was really shocking to me was watching Bradford in there, holding steady in the pocket and making his throws while taking a pounding. The skittish Rodgers was a stark contrast.

Seriously starting to wonder... Did the aliens from Space Jam visit Rodgers?

14 straight games without posting a QB rating in the 100s. The Pack is 6-8 in those 14 games, including 1-1 in the playoffs. On a surface level it's tempting to put it on Rodgers, but when considering that 14 games is nearly a full-season's worth of action, there has to be multiple causes of a troubling sort -- shaky QB play, yes, but also shaky coaching and receivers who have trouble getting open, plus so many sacks given up last year that Rodgers appears to have a case of the yips.

I wish it was just about Rodgers, because getting one guy back on track is easier than getting a coach and the entire offensive unit on track as well. The ongoing scuffle on that side of the ball is about a bunch more than just Rodgers -- and, personally, I'm done assuming Rodgers is going to have a chip-on-the-shoulder bounce back game after a grim loss. I made that assumption a few times last year. I'm not going there this year.

Rodgers is BEST QB in NFL!! ask how many other teams would want him, like 30?? Rodgers problem is he plays for TERRIBLE HC and Walking DEAD GM who refuses to ever bring in/sign some weapons. Nelson is good #2 WR, but he's not Santonio Holmes, AJ Green game breaker. Packers don't even have a RB who can go 20yds, let alone break a 80yd TD run. So Rodgers has to manufacture everything.

Where's Aaron Rodgers? Trapped in Mike McCarthy's offensive dumpster fire.

Mike Zimmer's ability to scheme against Rodgers (and by extension McCarthy) have been the top themes in the week leading up to the game. It's clear that Zimmer's approach works quite well. My hope is that the Packers staff uses this tape to self-scout and figure out how defenses have evolved to shut down a very good offense.

I don't think it's an issue of skill. I think there's plenty of talent on the field. Rodgers hasn't regressed. It just seems like they haven't figured out how to adjust yet.

The thing that's such a killer in all of this, is that we now have a defense that can consistently shut down other teams but have lost the support on offense. I'm sure that can't go on indefinitely - Right?

Cherry picking quotes and trying to read body language (or lips) between AR and MM will never give us the answer. Personally, I don't buy the "going Hollywood" nonsense or any other goofy conspiracy theories.

Reliable, observable facts tell us that AR isn't playing as before. It can't all be attributed to lack of separation, play calling, or the OLine, which is very difficult to judge when AR isn't (for whatever reason) seeing opportunities down field.

So what are we left with? Players change, people change. With my normal caveat of abhorring speculation, perhaps 2015-16 AR is just a different guy from 2009-2014 AR, with respect to personal/team challenges and motivations. If that is in any way true, it is incumbent upon MM to react to any "new AR", not with the typical coach type responses some would like, but on a deeper level.

I firmly believe Rodgers has been an elite QB, not just elevated to that status by Packer fans, but by national analysts as well as the NFL itself, as two MVP awards would suggest. But as 14 straight games below a 100 passer rating would indicate, we now realize that something has changed. Perhaps he has really hit an age where accuracy declines. Maybe he isn't maintaining the near perfect mechanics he's always shown. Certainly, he no longer has a receiving corps to match the loaded group he had in 2011. But I believe the one element that may be largely to blame is the one element that hasn't changed.

Last year, without Jordy, the other WRs just couldn't get open. As national analysts looked into it, we began to hear how basic & unimaginative the Packers route concepts were. It was a system that served them well, but probably because they had a great QB and 5 really good WRs plus Jermichael Finley. Maybe we're seeing how that same system falls short when Rodgers isn't the same and Jordy Nelson is the only really good receiver.

If the route concepts need to change to adapt to the talent on hand, maybe that's a workable solution. Or maybe not, if the coach is too set in his ways. In my opinion, that seems to be the sticking point. Until Mike McCarthy is willing to look at a different way to run the passing game, the Packers may be stuck in decline mode. If I could, I'd tell McCarthy to watch video of two teams; the current Rodgers-led Packers and the recent 40 year old Tom Brady-led Patriots.

A coach with more spontaneity might look at this and decide to chuck the playbook and start fresh. Mike McCarthy may be creative, but he's NOT spontaneous.

It wouldn't be a Packers season without the "Rodgers doesn't have it anymore" panic.

Frankly I'm glad were getting it out of the way early this year.

Back to his Cincinnati days, Zimmer has always schemed Rodgers well and had the players on defense to execute. He built this Minnesota defense specifically to neutralize Rodgers and it has worked lately.

On top of that, this was the second straight road game after they played to total exhaustion last week in Jacksonville.

Doubly on top of that, it was the Minnesota home opener in their brand new dome--huge emotional advantage to the Vikings.

I can't wait to see Bradford try to repeat that in Lambeau in December.

The sky is not falling. Rodgers is still good.

PFF: Aaron Rodgers earns lowest game grade of career...
So the "eye test" is confirmed: 12 as lost his mojo and looks like Kirk Cousins...

I'm thinking he picked up bad habits when he hurt his calf

Also everything they fear janis will do on the field is exactly what Adams does makes no sense. They need to incorporate Montgomery again

Mike needs to grow a pair and provide some leadership.

Not so fast, Zach. We need your thoughts too.

**Again, I credit the Vikings defense**

Ask yourself:

How does Rodgers go from that amazing throw against the Jags to pretty much all of the passes against the Vikings?

Something fishy is going on.

Even his checkdowns looked horrible. He isn't diagnosing plays like he once did. Either there aren't any Hot Reads or Rodgers isn't looking their way. Remember the time teams used to be afraid to blitz?

We ask for separation - we get it - over/underthrows

We ask for a more athletic TE - we get it - 2/3 targets?

We ask for more slants - we get it - never used it again

My biggest problem with Rodgers isn't the fact that he's played poorly for quite some time. What I can't stand is his attitude. On the field, he acts aloof and seems to own the world. I don't believe I've ever seen him take blame for anything while playing. He acted like this towards MM last night as well. I seriously question Rodgers leadership at times. From what I've heard, Hundley is a much better team player. I'd love to see what he could do if he started just one game. Not saying we should get rid of Rodgers, or even bench at all him, but I think someone needs to send a message that he'd better pick up his play (and change his attitude).

Rant finished :-)

MM - "Hey let's throw a ten yard out to Jordy Nelson on 3rd and 8. We've NEVER done that before."

Collin_C: I agree with you! Best post here today IMO. Attitude is everything, AR seems to have situations out there to evidence that; over/under throwing, hesitation during the snap count, (!) throwing out of bounds on numerous occasions, (!) dressing down players on the line, sulking on the sideline, just a really sour attitude IMO, just so different from years past! I dearly hope he comes around and soon, but not holding my breath on this. My team has a serious, festering, problem with its QB that must be addressed now. Aloha.

Maybe he is tired of GB and MM's predictable, one-trick pony offense. He may be tired of Tightwad Ted getting rid of good players and surrounding him with UDFA, bargain-bin specials. Maybe he's planning on doing what LeBron did when Cleveland failed to get the pieces necessary to win championships and bail. Maybe he wants to get to Cali and be closer to his sweetie in Hollywood...... Who knows?

TAKE WHAT THE DEFENSE GIVES YOU!!!!!!!

I've never been a MM fan and would have parted ways with him long ago. Every year under him there is something that points to his lack of control of the team. Special teams sucks or there are to many penalties or the team can't tackle etc. Now there appears to be a coach and his QB not on the same page problem and if that is the problem that again points to poor coaching.
To me in regards to Rodgers it appears that he has lost confidence in his abilities. I always enjoyed how he would make defenders pay for any little mistake and put the ball in a window that no other qb in the league could. Now he holds the ball and gives defenders time to recover and appears to be second guessing and not reacting to what he sees. Or, maybe he should get back on the milk.

I stopped being an MM fan right after the 2011 debacle against the Giants in the 1st round. Such a wonderful season, so wasted! But, I've patiently waited all these years since, in hopes that MM would improve, but the loss to Seattle in the 2014 NFC Championship game really put the frosting on the cake for me, saying it's time to move MM along, but instead he gets a contract extension. (!) Now, it's becoming apparent IMO, that AR no longer respects nor wants to be coached by MM. We've got a grand canyon forming between the two. They better set things right between themselves and very soon IMO.

Two major changes in 2015 to the coaching staff and AR has been down hill since. Also MM is one of the least creative HC's in the game.
When Green Bay Packers coach Mike McCarthy promoted Edgar Bennett to offensive coordinator in February 2015, it was merely the next, logical step in the coaching career of an assistant McCarthy has long respected. It wasn’t intended to be a statement on the importance of staff diversity.
Or Alex Van Pelt enters his fifth season with the Packers and returns to coaching quarterbacks, a group he led in 2014, following his role of quarterbacks/wide receivers coach in 2015. He was the team’s running backs coach in his first two years with the club (2012-13). He is entering his 20th NFL season and his 11th as an NFL assistant coach. Might these be a problem? My 2 cents...

THE BLOOM IS OFF THE ROSE

Well, one thing is for sure, to be kind Rodgers is not at his best.

I credit the Minnesota defense. Zimmer has them clicking on all cylinders. They are a tough, disciplined bunch. Except of course the cornerback replacement who was getting burned all day except of course for his stumbling, bumbling interception.

Honestly, it puzzles me how opponents can have a guy like Diggs running in the middle of the field with the closet defender (Randell) 3 yards away? Having enough time to bake a cake, do figure eights, boil a 3 minute egg, etc. and with this so generous space, able to juke, weave, and pirouette like the hippos in Fantasia, for unbelievable YACS. Why we can't do that with our touted receivers is conundrum that this fellow can't figure out.

Rodgers must be thinking about how many receivers picked in the 4 thru 7 round it takes to make ONE Diggs!!!????

I said last year McCarthy should have been brought up on charges when he let Rodgers take a beating that no man should have to take against Arizona! His penguin-like Happy Feet dance steps started at after that game. His confidence is totally shot, defenders and viewers can see it in his eyes. How many times did he throw the damn ball over the head of his receivers yesterday? At least he didn't pile drive any passes last night.

I give him credit for the runs. It shows that his calf isn't the problem. The fact that we ditched one of his backside stalwarts isn't helping his confidence either.

Someone had the observation that we don't have a back that can break one for more than 20 yards. Isn't that the truth. When was the last time we had a bust a way run for the distance? That fact alone is a 3 yard less cushion for the DBs to sneak closer to the line.

I thought that Cook would be strong target up the middle but Rodgers hardly threw to him all night. Question: Is it play calling, Rodgers, or Cook? Seems to me that Callahan had no trouble finding Cook.

McCarthy/Clement just don't seem to have figured out how to change the patterns of the receivers...same ole, same ole....regardless of who the hell is in there.

Detroit should be just the placebo to get the fans off of Rodger's back, but that's just what it is, a fledgling opponent at home. And while I'm in the ball busting frame of mind: what was in the Packers mind to RESIGN Barlcey! It's totally befuddling to me. The guy is in for ONE fricken play and its like Macy's Black Friday, opening minute, turn-style. The Viqueen defenders must have been pulling straws to see who got to play across from him.

If I were Rodgers and saw Barclay coming in I would call for a time out, and ask McCarthy to be traded!

Yeah, I know: it is only the second game! But there is disconcerting track record of Bo Jangle quarterbacking, bad route running, dropped balls, fumbles, and questionable play calling that has this guy very, very, worried.

Zach - this offense is struggling for a number of reasons:
1. Aaron Rodgers is not playing his position with basic, QB fundamental mechanics? Not sure why? My best assumption is that he is hearing footsteps every time he drops back. Also, he seems too focused on moving the ball via penalties. Thirdly, he does not seem to be involved when he is off the field. Why isn't he looking at films on the iPad when he is on the sidelines or communicating with the OL and WRs?
2. OL has been good but needs to develop more consistency.
3. Where are Ty Montgomery and Abbrederis? Can we get Jared Cook more involved? Ripkowski anyone? We have weapons that we are not using, why?
4. Poor communications and TO management, why?
5. Penalties at key times in an offensives series.
6. We stop running the ball even when it is working.
7. Where are the screen plays and passes to RBs?

These are all coachable issues so maybe the question is, where is MM and the coaching staff?
It's only week 2 but our offense has more questions than answers right now. Thanks, Since '61

It is not only Rodgers fault but 14 games with poor QB index are not exception ita s tren, taht continues. This stat just in from nfl.com : "Through two NFL Sundays, Aaron Rodgers and Case Keenum have something in common: They are the only QBs who have failed to gain 300-plus yards of total offense." Now ist only week 2 and they can imporve but I think as last season showed, MM and AR either dont want or cant change much the scheme or plays.

I remember for years whn Jay Cutler was ridiculed for his face expression and strange body language. But look at Aaron and his serios face dutring games and behavior on the bench. Looks very similar to Cutler in that regard. I dont know what is bothering him but it doesnt look like he is enyojng the game very much. I hope that togethet thew find a switch to make him into MVP verions again, but it will be hard.

All players, good or bad, go through it... the downside of a great career... unfortunately AR is getting there quickly... and TT did (does) nothing to get him the players he needs... the window is quickly closing (I'm afraid) ...

I think it may be connected to scheme and coaching. Teams have us figured out and I question whether our OC (Edgar Bennett). Has the skills to make the week to week and in-game adjustments. I point out that our offensive slide coincided with him being elevated to OC.

Wish we would consider bringing philben back in some capacity to help out. From what I recall, his game planning was very good and his second half game adjustments really good.

Hell as far as coaching goes it wouldn't bother me to see a 68 year old Holmgren come out of retirement. And if Rodgers keeps playing the way he has it won't be long before we see Hundley and it's not because Rodgers is benched, with all the scrambling he's doing an injury is almost inevitable.

Sports psych 101 summery :
You sit 3 years behind the INT king of all time and you develope an aversion to throwing them. Thus 90% of throws are sideline and behind shoulder. Every NFL team now knows what's coming. New England did it with two 5'9" guys running slants. Please get this team a hipnotist to convince AR that it's ok to throw to the middle of the field. Oh, by the way. Why did we get Cook if you don't plan on using him Mike ?

R-E-L-A-X ?,
No, that was 2 years ago, now it P-A-N-I-C !

Aaron is off, no doubt. But Adams is killing this team. Oh, he will make an occasional catch, but who wouldn't as often as the guy is thrown to? Bench Adams and this offense will look sooo much better. When Montgomery played WR before he was hurt last year, he was electric. Abbrederis has a fantastic camp and yet sits? Makes no sense. Offense is struggling and Adams keeps playing? I'm having 2015 season deja vu. It's sickening. Every time Janis is in the game he makes something happen. You WANT to see him with the ball. With Adams you cringe when the ball goes his way. Why does MM not see this? It is so incredibly obvious! Unless MM looks in the mirror and says "I am the problem" this team is sunk. And the odds of MM blaming himself are near zero. Therefore, 2016 will be like 2015. Mediocre at best. Probably worse because the players will lose heart.

I think everyone has been making excuses for Rodgers (bad play calling, slow receivers, no protection) for way too long. What I don' t understand is what the hell happened to our MVP? When is the last time we saw him stand in the pocket and deliver a strike in the face of an oncoming hit? It seems that he won't throw the ball unless the receiver is wide open. He always has been one to hold the ball too long, but now he just won't throw it. He is too worried about playing "perfect" and not just playing. This affects his accuracy and the offensive rythm. The constant adjustments and running every snap count to almost zero are maddening. I don't see any other QB doing this. But wait a minute, shouldn't they be bale to coach him out of this? Play calling is sooo predictable, it doesn't help. And God forbid they call him out on this subpar play. I am not giving up on Rodgers, but they need to make some serious changes. This is definitelly no longer a fluke, it is a sad reality.

O line is terrible. Can't run block or pass block. But if this offense wants to get going then get away from all the repetitive plays that everybody is looking for during the game.

When was the last time we threw to the rb's coming out of the backfield up the middle more than 3 times (if that)? Why don't we use the screen play a lot more than a couple times a YEAR! Especially when everybody knows that a blitzing team can be stopped dead with a good screen play. And we have one of the best(when we use it) in the NFL. Or we did. Last year we were making big yards with it when we needed a big play. Over 12 yards a play on average.

People need to take AR glasses off and realize all the offensive problems are because he forgot how to play QB. Go back and watch Rodgers play in 2014 and u will see a totally diff QB. I'm sick of hearing receivers don't get open, the offensive line doesn't block, and play calling is the problem. They have very little to do with the offensive struggles. It's been 14 games since he had a 100 passer rating in a game, his carrier average is over 100 so obviously something has happened with Rodgers. If u watch all the other QB's play they take 3 or 5 step drops and get the ball out and throw to receiver. They don't have guys running wide open, they are throwing it in tight Windows. Just look at the throws Bradford made to digs and Rudolph on the td's. Those were tightly covered but Bradford made a perfect throw. Rodgers won't even throw that pass cause he thinks there not open and if he does he over throws them cause he accuracy is terrible cause he never steps into a throw and throws off his back foot every throw.. Rodgers is seeing ghosts and bailing out of the pocket way to early and not letting his receivers get open. He just starts running around the pocket trying to play school yard football every play. Big mike needs to sit down with Rodgers and watch tape from 10-14 and have Rodgers watch how he hung in the pocket and got rid of the ball in rhythm of the offense and then show him tape of 15-16 and how he doesn't throw the ball and bails out of pocket and throws off back foot and if he doesn't start playing in rhythm of the offense and playing fundamental QB play bench him and put hundley in and see what he can do cause we can't continue playing QB and offense this way. Cause I'm tired of hearing he will start playing better cause I've heard that for a year now and it hasn't been fixed.