Without a milla-second of doubt...

There really will never be a true way of ever knowing how much Clements made a difference but it doesn't really matter. What matters is Love has been willing to put in the extra work and time in the 'lab' and the game has slowed down for him. To me it all starts there before anything else. You can have great fundamentals but if you do not fully understand the game, the offense, and what the defense is throwing at you the fundamentals will be the first thing that falls apart when pressured. The mere fact Jordan Love is working hard behind the scenes is very encouraging.

Cannot let the PI against Cobb in the End Zone go Unchallenged. Another Vegas call. It could have turned the game.

You must be mind reader, telepathic genius. You always knows what other wish and think. Amazing person...

Bow to you!

"...classy Philly fan.." = oxymoron. Easily the most insufferable fan base in the NFL, MLB and NHL.

I saw some Philly fans wearing "Cream Cheese Heads" to the game (because of Philadelphia Cream Cheese). Lol

I am not a teammate, so I have very limited exposure, but I am definitely sick of him.

Out with the old, in with the new!

IT
IS
TIME
!!!!!

Trade him to the Jets! They have a loaded roster but their terrible QB is holding them back! We could get like a first-round pick for him!

"IMO, we're about to see the last 5 games of Rodgers' career in Green Bay."

In your opinion, where is Rodgers going?

It's been reported he doesn't have a no trade cause, but in reality, he does.
Rodgers could nix a trade with one of his famous facial expressions.

A team isn't going to invest in him if they know he doesn't want to be there.

The article from sportrac is the one i linked in here so people could get educated.

I'm 99.99999999999999999999% sure Rodgers isn't going anywhere.
Why would he go somewhere new, have to start over learning a new offense, learning rapport with his team mates to play one year...maybe 2?

Plus...he's guaranteed 59.5 million next season in Green Bay if he stays, or if they cut him.

That's the team's fault, not Rodgers

Rodgers is going nowhere.

LH,
I believe Rodgers has worn out his welcome with everyone other than maybe LF. The front office from Murphy to Gutey absolutely must be exhausted with the Rodgers ongoing saga. Obviously many fans including me are feeling the same way. I totally agree about how Rodgers indecision with the ball is in stark comparison to Love's quick releases on time. Think about how weird that is right? Rodgers has 18-years experience. Just mind blowing odd!

Unfortunately covid happened and Love lost his rookie year. Ever stop to think that If Love had not lost his rookie year and moved his talent and skill set up one year prior to Rodgers being resigned what might have happened? Would Rodgers have been traded and the Packers not being in cap hell, and possibly having multiple top #1 and #2 draft choices, and young talented players like Fant at TE on the team. How the fortunes of the Packers would be exponentially different.

I too feel pretty strongly that Rodgers will not be back with the Packers in 2023. If Love continues to show talent and promise the Packers and Rodgers will obviously have to set down and talk this offseason. I'm confident Rodgers will not retire for several more years but I also know Rodgers is un-willing to set on the bench behind Love just to pick up a salary. If Rodgers knows there will be open competition at QB in camp I believe he will be open to a trade. Unfortunately, in this scenario Rodgers will once again have the upper hand with the front office meaning if he goes anywhere any bounty in draft choices/players will be significantly reduced because Rodgers would want to be in total control handpicking where he might go as the offense would need to have big time talent to ensure his legacy. Rodgers like Favre being ultimate competitors will want to show the Packer organization/fan base and the rest of the NFL he still has it and the Packer front office screwed up by trading him. Let's hope for all parties Rodgers is traded and hopefully the trade works out well for both the Packer organization, as well as for Rodgers. I want Rodgers gone as I am tired of the drama and diva. Hopefully the team can squeeze a 1st round selection from someone. Rodgers will always be a Packer and his name will end up in the ring of honor, so I would wish him the best and hope he plays well through retirement.

BBBBuutt - we need a Kelce or a Kittle or somebody like that Tonyon has lost a step and he never did what Kittle and Kelce do - break tackles and run over guys. Even during his hey day run - he was kinda forgotten by the defenses and walked mostly untouched into the end zone. But since Lewis will probably retire and Deguara never did develop into the Kelce Kittle Hback type - we still need that. Our rooks will all be dynamic next year especially Doubs and Watson.

We need 2-3 super duper WR's...Always. We need at least 2 Weapons on offense and a very good #2 WR and a solid TE. Doubs may be a very good #2 and possibly a #1 WR. I think he becomes a good possession WR doing more of the dirty work and Watson becomes the big play machine he already is. A. Jones is the other Weapon and should be pretty good the next few seasons. We have no TE's that move the needle. The main thing I have noticed is WHEN...Not IF our running game get's shut down against stout Defenses like SF and Bucks is we never had a #2 WR after DA and A. Jones was not used enough in the pass game to alter the inevitable outcome we have seen every year. That's a fact...At least in GB.

GET MICHAEL MAYER!!

Yes!

Believe we all know what the Packers have in Watson and Doubs. Unfortunately we don't really have a handle on Toure. I believe the talent is there but since Rodgers brought up the Captain Casual thing I believe it is important for Toure to play extensively the rest of the year. I have said this several times....the Packers still need one more top end WR, and at least one very good TE, and possibly two TE's. If Love is going to be the starting QB next year I can see Gutey wanting to provide Love with all the talent necessary to ensure success for Love, particularly since his legacy is tied to Love's success. With all the defensive needs on that side of the ball at every level how do you decide?

For me it is very clear....IF Love continues to show the talent he displayed against Philly I would be interested to see if the Packers can get Rodgers to agree to a trade for everyone's benefit. With his cap hit and all the acrimony (and cap) between player and organization I struggle to see a receiving team give up much more for him. I could see a 1st rounder for him if he indicates he will play for several more years. I am not confident there would be much more given up for Rodgers at this point. The Packers let that opportunity slip by last offseason. However, that extra 1st round draft choice would really go a long way in addressing the teams needs in the draft.

Ika, Mayer, or Kincaid would be nice.

I am projecting that we will get the #8 overall pick once the season is over. Also, I see Rodgers being traded to the Jets in the offseason for a first-round pick and a fourth-round pick. The Jets are a team with a super-bowl caliber roster that is being held back by a terrible QB. With a better O-line, exceptional weapons, and a strong running game (not to mention being fully healthy) there is reason to believe Rodgers can play well again for the Jets. Also, if the Broncos can give up 2 1sts for Russell Wilson, then a first and a 4th should be a bargain for a 4x MVP future HOF QB. That would give us, according to my projections, the 8th overall and 18th overall picks in the first round.

With the 8th pick, I would like us to draft TE Michael Mayer. See my comment below for why With the 18th, I think we should draft Florida State EDGE Jared Verse. Preston I think will be traded in the offseason, and our pass rush has been abysmal mostly in this season. Having a trio of Gary, Verse, and Enagbare would have the potential to develop into a top trio.

Top 8 pick right now...

PackEyed....

If history tells us anything, the Packers won't draft a wr in the first round, or an offensive player for that matter.

...or a top notch safety...

An additional 1st round draft choice in 2023 would really allow both to happen if the talent is there at each position.

San Fran is paying that $43 for Lance plus all the incentive laden money that Jimmy is making. I am sure that something can be worked out - especially when you write if off over several years because that is what would happen if you trade one or the other and dont have anything else around - imagine San Fran without Jimmy - more lucky than good planning especially if you have a guy with Jimmy's demeanor. Does Love have that demeanor??

The Packers should trade Rodgers to the Jets in the offseason and extend Love for the next 3 or 4 years for 19.8m/year, the same amount of money as his 5th year option.

Since, I'm sure that Jordan Love, if become starter will have some bad games. Some DC will find some soft spots in his performance and use it to their advantage. That is why it is important for Packers and Jordan Love to play as much as he can. Because what we saw in this 3 seasons with Love, that he really learning from his own mistakes. That is the sign of person who will not blame others for his own failures, but work and correct them to perfect his crafts.

Only question I still have is where is his upper level he can reach. We all hope it is very, very high. Because he did nothing else but showing substantial improvements every time we had chance to see him play.

I am in total agreement Since61.

I think all of us are thinking how dreadful potentially having 2 very good QB's due to the cap hit. However, I think we should change our outlook a little to that of how fortunate the Packers are. How many teams would like to have 2 excellent QB's? The question is who might the Packers trade and how much might they get in exchange for them? Common sense says Rodgers would get traded at his salary and his complexities/drama, but Rodgers always seems to get the upper-hand with management. While I would think highly unlikely might Love's performance the rest of the year simply be showcasing his talent to the highest bidders?

You are assuming that they are rational actors. Everything they’ve done suggests otherwise. I think they will try to double down to save the day despite that being obviously nonsensical. I think they have departed into an internal reality fueled by their own reinforcement and lack of any internal source of correction/ injection of reality.

I think we’ve worse to come from Murphy and co and one sign of that will be Rodgers playing on Sunday.

To really maximize Watson and Doubs they need an excellent TE to keep the defense honest. Ultimately, I believe the Packers defensive talent is there but is more of a scheme and coaching issue. If/when the Packers get an extra 1st round pick (possibly a 2nd rounder too) in 2023 for either Rodgers/Love there are many ways the Packers could go with those extra draft choices. If armed with 2 first rounders and possibly one very high it wouldn't surprise me to see Gutey fall back with one of them and pick up an additional pick say in round 2. With the defensive needs (DL, Safety, Edge) I still in this scenario would be totally fine using two first round picks to take a WR & TE to load up the talent on that side of the ball before using day 2 picks, and early day 3 picks on the defensive side of the ball.

The performance of Love and Toure the rest of the year is going to allow the Packer organization to make some big decisions. Either way, I suspect the Packers are going to have at minimum two first round selections in the 2023 draft, which will really help strengthen the team moving forward.

I like mean streaks especially in an OL.

Packy,
Thanks for the draft conversation as this is a topic I never get enough of. I love the strategy and planning when it comes to the draft. As I mentioned above, I strongly believe the Packers will have 2 first rounders next year....and will go out on a limb possibly two 2nd rounders. Whether the extra 2nd rounder is in addition to a 1st rounder for one of the Packer QB's I think Gutey very well could trade back in the 1st round with one of the draft choices to pick-up an additional 2nd rounder if the talent doesn't match up with the draft choice. A nice fantasy is having two 1st rounders and three 2nd round selections which would really help plugging the MANY holes this team has on its roster.

With a QB trade in the offseason there is a good chance the Packers have 2 first round selections. If Love is the Packer QB in 2023 I would not be surprised with a WR selected high. Gutey wants/needs Love to be successful for obvious reasons. Plus, he just might enjoy doing it to piss off AR. LOL!

However, having two 1st round selections will allow Gutey the flexibility/opportunity to nab a WR in round one. I would 'love' to see a WR in round 1 to give Jordan Love every opportunity to be a success.

duplication

The problem is that Rodgers wants to play until they are mathematically eliminated even with a broken thumb and banged up ribs. That could be 2 or 3 games that Love could play and develop. Rodgers is a me first guy that won't do what's best for the team and that means sitting his ass down cause his play for the most part has been deplorable. I hope that they are able to unload this prima donna in the offseason.

We really need to see more of Love before we crown him, but the little bit we saw in Philly looked MUCH IMPROVED over 2021, and really that's all we need to see. Improvement.

So Love doesn’t play until the last game when they are mathematically eliminated. Check the schedule and who they’re up against. What a wasted year.

MLF says AR sit down and heal up…but that requires a pair. Confirming he has none but is supposed to be a motivator, leader, and respected visionary…NOT

You could more or less back this up even one more, when Favre took over for an injured Majikman... I'm not a stat guy, but Brett never gave the seat up after that.