I think the % are half sacks.
Maybe.
What I do know is that I look forward to reaping the fruits of your labor and hope a grand CHTV tradition is started based on this post.

See!

Crazypackfan is already getting in on the action ;)

You just made me piss a little in my pants, good stuff!!

The laugh I didn't know I needed. Thanks, dobber!

Leavitt will impact the cap a bit. Expect cap space to decrease by $400K to $600K. I was delighted when Hollins only decreased space by $410K. Ford decreased cap space by $630K.

WTH, did Stockholder open a new account to post more in depth insanity? I mean some of this like cap % of QB across the league is intriguing, but totally lost in the rest of the conspiracy theory laden word salad.

Very good post S61. I agree a year too late and likely a dollar short in compensation. However given the apparent toxicity in the relationship I’d say now is better than never and he must go. Just read that QB1 who wanted a say in the game plan didn’t even bother to show up to meetings with LaFleur. Time to go.. I do wonder to what extent Goodell and the league will pressure the teams on compensation. That’s a very slippery slope even for the NFL…

Since '61: StarrtoRodgers this is an excellent post.

STR: Thank you for the intelligent and well thought out response.

Your thoughtful response deserves the same - I copied your response in its parts down below and noted your "Since '61" at the start of each part.

My responses start with an abbreviated STR.

I am not paid by Packer Management or others to post on here and you are not either, hence we are objective critical thinking Packer fans.

I also - unlike many of younger adolescents who do not work or others that have lots of free time and post all day - don't have a lot of time.

So hopefully you find my response as I usually get back to this website days after the articles post.

Snice '61, it is refreshing to have thoughtful and substantive discussions rather than be met with hateful ad hominins and immature and reactionary name calling from those who do not think and simply repeat:

a) the 31 NFL Billionaires' talking/writing head wage slaves' propaganda, hysteria, rumors, and drama which is deliberately put out to maximize time on these websites watching sports talk shows and as a consequence maximize 31 Billionaire's television revenue

or

b) the propaganda of Packer Management's writing/taking heads who are paid to defend and protect Brian and Mark.

I have responded to each of your comments below.

Since '61: A bit lengthy but you have made numerous excellent points.
STR: Thank you.

For many posters on here, if they set aside their emotions and patiently read and think about what I wrote, they will learn things that Packer Management's paid defenders and NFL Billionaire Owners paid propagandists has no interest in pointing out.

Since '61: I've never felt that Rodgers cap hits were excessive for an elite NFL QB which Rodgers has been during his career.

STR: That is because Rodgers has never been paid excessively.

Nor are those cap hits - if Rodgers plays or retires - excessive now in 2023 or through the remainder of his contract which ends after the 2026-27 season when Rodgers will have just turned 43.

Given the 31 Billionaire Parasites' protection of the QB position in today's game, in all probability Rodgers will be playing as well through these next 4 years as Rodgers has played in the past, as was true of Brady.

In fact, this year, 2023, the cap hit if Rodgers is traded before June 1, 2023 is $9 million greater than if Rodgers plays for the Packers in 2023.

And look at these so called Packer fans - many of them hateful and unappreciative & immature with their Rodgers has "only" led the Packers to one Super Bowl win (as many as an other NFC QB over 15 years) - who now want the Packers to provide Jordan with veteran wide receivers.

Well what was wrong with signing Lazard (Jets 2023 cap hit $3.2 million) or Cobb (probably will sign for $2 to $2.5 or less) or Tonyan (Bears 2023 cap hit $2.6) or Lewis (probably will sign for $2 to $2.5 or less) at tight end?

All these re signings of Packer veterans will prove to have been more valuable for the $ spent than whatever Brian comes up with as replacements.

This will be due to these Packer veterans positive effect on team morale and chemistry and obvious on field performance relative to current Packer wide receivers as a whole and the current tight ends.

Whatever management comes up with as replacements be at the same salary cap dollars as the Jets and Bears paid to Lazard and Tonyan or a million or 2 million cheaper at the league minimum $750,000 rookie, league minimum $875,00 2nd year player or league minimum $940,000 3rd year player, the Lazard, Tonyan, Cobb and Lewis retentions will have been more valuable for the $. .

Current Packer management just seems to know the cost of everything and the value of nothing - including intangibles.

The Packer 2023-24 team should be a 13-4 playoff team again - as it was a year ago at this time - if it were managed prudently.

Anyone can be a bean counter, the value comes with thinking.

Since '61: Imagine what the Packers Qb situation would have been for the last 15 seasons without Aaron Rodgers. No Brady, Rothlesberger, Brees, Rivers, Peyton or Eli Manning because by 2008 they were all committed to their careers with their respective teams. Maybe we would have drafted Russell when he reached the draft but maybe not.
STR: Soon enough we will not have to imagine, we will see exactly what you describe - and there was no need for this state of affairs.

Brian and Mark will have created the current and impending mess with their disrespect of talented performing young and veteran Packers alike.

The then Billionaire Parasite Owners in 1994 instituted the salary cap as a means of creating competitive games and a competitive league and eliminating both dynasties and perpetually deprived and losing teams because parity maximizes the now 31 Billionaire Owner Parasites' profits because fans - fanatics like us - will be more likely to watch the game through the last commercial of any individual game and last week of the season when the games are competitive and nearly all teams are still in the "playoff hunt".

However as much as the 31 Billionaire Parasites want parity, there are still exceptions - case in point being the fact that during Aaron's 15 years as Packer starter, where the Packers made the playoffs 11 of 15 years, 12 of the other 32 NFL teams have been in the playoffs less than 26.6% of the time - Titans, Giants, Rams just 4 of 15 or once out of every 4 years, Bucs, Dolphins, Commanders, Lions and Bears just 3 out of 15, about once every 5 years, Jets, Jaguars and Raiders just 2 out of 15, Browns just 1 out of 15 years.

The common denominator between teams that are consistently in the playoffs or at least "in the hunt" and those teams that are consistently out of the playoffs and not "in the hunt" is having a very good quarterback who is also durable or not having a very good quarterback who is also durable.

Beyond the very good QB and making the playoffs what pushes a team over the edge to playoff wins is 1) the QB having all pro weapons on offense, 2) a superior defense, and 3) mistake free special teams.

There are exceptions like the 2019-20 season when New England with the #1 ranked defense in all of football - higher ranked than all other 31 teams - and a very good QB, Brady, fail. No one expected the 12-4 East Division Champ Patriots losing at home in New England to the 9-7 South division wildcard Ryan Tannehill led Titans - who had finished behind the Deshaun Watson led 10-6 Houston Texans - but Brady had a poor game, 59.4 passer rating, 20 of 37, 0 Tds, 1 interception. Those outcomes are rare.

After 12-4 New England and Brady's loss to the 9-7 Titans and Tannehill, that was an appropriate time for "the League" - i.e. the Colluding Conspiring 31 Billionaire Owners - to do something for the Tampa Bay market as the Bucs had not been to the playoffs since the 2007 season with Gruden and Jeff Garcia, a total of 13 seasons.

So "the league" - - i.e. the Colluding Conspiring Calculating 31 Billionaire Owners - moved Brady to Tampa Bay to revive the southwest Florida market and maximize that region's NFL television revenues.

Much like what "the league", i.e. the Colluding Conspiring 31 Billionaire Owners, are doing now with Rodgers.

Since '61: I cannot think of another NFL QB who would have been available and who has played as well as Rodgers has since 2008. Where would the Packers have been since 2008? Most likely on a QB and coaching merry-go-round with few if any playoff appearances.

STR: Yes, see: Titans, Giants, Rams just 4 of 15, Bucs, Dolphins, Commanders, Lions and Bears just 3 out of 15, Jets, Jaguars and Raiders just 2 out of 15, Browns just 1 out of 15 years.

Since '61: Having said that I do believe that the time has come and actually passed for the Packers and for Rodgers to move on.

STR: As I have expressed, I do not agree with this.

Rodgers like Brady after the 2019-20 season, is still at the top of his game.
If not for having to deal with an inexperienced, new, young, non communicative GM in Brian backed by a Team President in Mark Murphy that goes along with "the League" - the i.e. the Colluding Conspiring Calculating 31 Billionaire Owners and their demands to keep his job, there would not be a problem.

Mark learned his lesson after being blackballed as a player - no team would sign him - despite his All pro and NFL regular season interception leading and 2nd consecutive Super Bowl 1983 season - due to payback for his role at the bargaining table as NFL Players Association representative and lead negotiator during the 1982 NFL players strike, where the players stood fast and 7 games were cancelled annoying the then 27 Billionaires.

Since '61: The business person in me believed and posted at the time for the Packers to trade Rodgers following the 2021season.

STR: The "business" side needs to be tempered and the identity of the Packers - as the PEOPLE'S TEAM, THE COMMUNITY'S TEAM, THE PLAYERS'/WORKERS' team - needs to be preserved by showing respect to home grown. long loyal (Rodgers and other Packer stars could have left as free agents years ago) tenured players, especially the longest tenured Packer in the history of the franchise.

It doesn't matter what "other" Billionaire owned and controlled franchises do.
The Packers are the Packers with their unique structure and unique and stories history.
In addition, beyond the Packers there are plenty of franchises that would never treat their long tenured, most loyal players/workers as a tradeable commodities and high paid slaves - risking their lives and future ability to walk and stand and think each week - for entertainment only to be thrown away after they have been used and abused.
There are plenty of examples of players who were respected by their organization and finished with the team they played their entire careers with or with the team they played the prime and last years of their career with:

Marino, Elway, Ben Roethlisberger, Larry Fitizgeralds, Eli Manning, Drew Brees, Ray Lewis, Lawrence Taylor, Michael Strahan, Darrell Green, Bruce Matthews, Jackie Slater Derrick Brooks, to name a few in the NFL. Derek Jeter in baseball, Kobe Bryant in basketball.

This era of Packer Management simply doesn't respect its Icons as previous Packer Management respected Starr and Nitschke before Aaron and Favre.

We are not talking about trading or cutting a Packer coming off a 4 year rookie contract that was a poor draft pick by Brian to begin with and was only was kept around because it was cheaper to do so.

We are talking about Packer players who have performed at top levels in the NFL at their position and have chosen to stay with Green Bay time after time again when they could have left in free agency for more money.

In destroying this identity of the Packers, the attraction of playing for the Packers and rooting for the Packers is also diminished and destroyed as I will elaborate on more in my response.

The destruction of this identity and the values that create this identity has a far broader and long lasting effect than any value gained or lost from a trade or release of Rodgers or any other long tenured, loyal, and in this case, top performing Packer player/worker.
Since '61: That was their last best opportunity for the biggest return for Rodgers and prior to their commitment to Rodgers huge contract.

STR: Rodgers contract is commensurate with his value and no different than the sums paid other star quarterbacks as I pointed out.

Rodgers - absent the behavior of young Brian and 31 Billionaires' man Mark - would have played out the remaining 4 years of his contract at a high level and at the end of that contract upon filing his retirement papers at the end of the 2026-27 season, there would be no dead cap hit for the Packers.

In addition, following the end of this season Rodgers had said that he was open to restructuring his contract to help the Packers at the same time he said that he was not interested in a rebuild and named Bakhtiari, Tonyan, Cobb, Lewis and Lazard as players that should be brought back.

Since '61: Plus it would have been prior to Rodgers considering retirement which he has admitted that he was about 90% there in terms of retiring after the 2022 season.
STR: Rodgers talk of retirement is purely due to Brian and Mark's behavior, both before January 8, 2023 and since then.

Since '61: I have posted that I believe that Rodgers best personal decision would be to retire while he is relatively healthy and the fact that he has nothing left to prove in his NFL career.

STR: If I were in Rodgers shoes I - like you - would retire too, but only Aaron is truly in those shoes and knows what is best for Aaron.

Clearly what is best for the Packers is for Rodgers to play out the remainder of his 4 year contract with the Packers. And every Packer fan that I have watched and attended Packer games with for decades thinks exactly the same.

Since '61: The current attempt to trade Rodgers is the wrong time, with the wrong team and for the wrong reasons. Wrong time because it is a year too late. Wrong team because the Packers should never limit their trade options to only one team and because the Jets have realized that they may have Rodgers for only one season so why give away the store. The wrong reasons because the Packers are now making a financial/emotional decision after having passed up on the legitimate business reasons in the 2022 off season.

STR: This bares repeating: Trading Rodgers is wrong to begin with because it further damages and destroys the identity of the Packers - as the PEOPLE'S TEAM, THE COMMUNITY'S TEAM, THE PLAYERS'/WORKERS' team - needs to be preserved by showing respect to home grown. long loyal (Rodgers and other Packer stars could have left as free agents years ago), tenured players, especially the longest tenured Packer in the history of the franchise.

In destroying this identity of the Packers the attraction of playing for the Packers and rooting for the Packers is also diminished and destroyed as I will elaborate on more in my response. The destruction of this identity and the values that create this identity has a far broader and long lasting effect than any value gained or lost from a trade or release of Rodgers or any other long tenured, loyal, and in this case, top performing Packer player/worker.

Since '61: The other wrong reason is that the league wants this trade to happen in attempt to get the NY TV market engaged in doubleheader and prime time games.
STR: Yes, and "the League" is 31 Parasitic Billionaires whose interests go well beyond football and those football interests are not whether their individual teams win or lose, but rather if the league wide television, gambling and licensing revenues are maximized as each billionaire has a 1/32 interest in those collective revenues.

For the Packer fans all this additional revenue will mean - given the way current Packer Management works is a more glitzy scoreboard, more glitz and commodities around the stadium, gambling kiosks throughout Lambeau Field stadium, more unaffordable luxury seating and an eventual renaming of Lambeau field to Amazon Park or something similar.

Since '61: I have posted in the past that Rodgers is not just a Packers QB, he is the league's QB. Where Rodgers goes TV ratings, revenues and fan participation follows whether it's fans of his team, fans of Rodgers, FF players and gamblers. Players like Aaron Rodgers are a league's media, revenue dream come true. Show me the money and follow the money. That's where the league is at and that is why they want and may assist in making this trade happen by the NFL draft.

STR: That is exactly where the 31 Billionaire Parasite Owners - "the League" - are at/is at and they easily manipulate the minds of the fans to give away their hard earned cash watching what is no longer a game but choreographed entertainment with the 31 Billionaire Parasites' values interjected throughout the entertainment further demeaning US society and poisoning our minds.

Since '61: Goodell is undoubtedly dying to announce this trade during the upcoming NFL draft and have the announcement played and replayed throughout the next 24 hour sports and news cycles. It will be the league's highlight reel until the 2023 season begins.
STR: Exactly.

Since '61: And while that may be great for the league it could be slim pickings for the Packers in terms of the compensation they receive for Rodgers. Maybe a 2023 2nd round pick and a conditional pick in 2024 combined with a player or 2 (hopefully) from the current Jets roster. While the Packers may be expected to return a 2025 pick to the Jets if Rodgers retires after the '23 season.

STR: More than likely - to MAXIMIZE the 31 Billionaire Parasites television viewership, ratings, and NFL television revenue for the NFL draft and upcoming 2023-24 season - the Jets and Packers switch draft positions in the first round as part of that trade so that Goodell can announce the trade of Rodgers at PRIME TIME during the most viewed night of the draft, Thursday night, April 27th. Friday and Saturday's later rounds will have less viewers.

Since '61: A great deal for the league but for the Packers not so much, especially if Love, the coaching and/or the FO flops.

STR: I don't think there is much doubt that Love will not meet Rodgers performance in 2008 when Rodgers too was a 4th year QB. In fact I think Jordan's performance will be much worse. We have enough data points with Jordan leading all of College football in most interceptions thrown by a QB his last year of college in 2019-20 and the 1 game he started - Kansas City - and couple other relief appearances, Detroit where he was blitzed and Philly where the game was over and Philly sat back and let him complete short passes you and I could complete. Without more live regular season games there is no evidence to provide any other conclusion.

I will be shocked if the Packers exercise their $21 million 5th year option for Jordan for 2024 come May 1, 2023. Talk about cap space? What a waste of cap space that would be. The Giants did not exercise their 5th year option on Daniel Jones and Jones had 36 more starts than Jordan.

The calculating "business" thing for Brian and Mark to do - not the morally and ethically and Packer Identity protecting thing to do but, but the calculating business thing to do - would be to drop the ignorant and emotion driven trade and exercise the option for Aaron's 2025 season by paying Aaron the $58.3 million payment which can then be spread over the life of the remaining 4 year contract and bring Aaron back for 2023-24 and let Jordan compete for the starting job.

Give Jordan the starting job the first few games of the regular season and see how he does. if Jordan performs better in 2023 than Rodgers did in 2008 (and 2022 which was also better than most QBs despite the nonsense of some posters on this board), then the calculating "business" minded soulless Brian and Mark can trade Aaron in between the March 15, 2024 season's first day until the September 2024 deadline for the Packers to exercise their option for Aaron's 2026's season when they must pay $47 million to be able to spread that $47 over the remaining 3 years of the contract.

If Jordan - after 4 years as and NFL QB - performs much worse than Aaron did in 2008 (and 2022 which was also better than most QBs despite the nonsense of some posters on this board), then no team in the NFL will be chomping at the bit to sign Jordan Love to a new contract for 2024 going forward and the Packers can look at drafting a QB in 2024, if they have not already drafted one in a few weeks that did not lead all of College Football in interceptions.

If you look at the year by year 2000 through 2022 NFL statistics for total QB performance:

(stats found at Statmuse as the website does not seem to accept the link - look for NFL passing 2000 to 2022 year to year)

- totals for all 32 teams quarterbacks - you will notice that quarterback performance numbers have improved significantly. This is in no small measure to the continuous rule changes to protect quarterbacks and create more offense and scoring.

If you compare 2008 totals for all QBs - Aaron's 1st year as a starter - to 2022's totals for all QBs, you will notice the following:

Passer Rating - has increased 7.1% (Aaron's 93.8% in 2008 would have been 100.4% in 2022)

Pass Attempts per season has increased 9.3% (Aaron's 536 in 2008 would have been 586 in 2022)

Completion Pct. - has increased 5.2% (Aaron's 63.6% in 2008 would have been 66.9% in 2022)

Yards per Attempt - has increased 1.4% (Aaron's 7.5% in 2008 would have been 7.6% in 2022)

Yards per Game - has increased 4.5% (Aaron's 252.4 or 4,038 yards over 16 games in 2008 would have been 263.88 or 4,486 yards over 17 games in 2022)

TD% per pass attempt - has increased 7.6% (Aaron's 5.2 % in 2008 and 28 TD passes would have been 5.6% in 2022 and 32.5 TD passes in 2022)

Interception % per pass attempt: has fallen 17.1% (Aaron's 2.4% in 2008 would have been 1.9% in 2022)

Interceptions: have fallen by 10.2% (Aaron's 13 in 2008 would have fallen to 11.6 in 2022)

Keep these numbers handy as we compare Jordan in his 4th year relative to Aaron in his 4th year in this Ignorant, emotion based Packer Management trade goes through.
Packer Management has already flopped. Most noticeably over the last 10 years, but Rodgers, Bakhtiari and other players like Adams, Jordy, Matthews, Woodson, Peppers, Cobb, Lewis, Smith, Linsley, Hyde, Crobsy, Jennings, etc. were able to hide the damage until they too were traded and released while still performing at a level their replacements in their starter or replacement role did not readily match or will not readily match.

But what the average Packer fan does not understand is that they do not have to stand idly by and watch themselves and the Packers be manipulated for the PROFITS of 31 Billionaire Parasite Owners.

Packer fans can demonstrate and protest by writing and emailing the Packer Executive Committee and Brian Gutekunst and Mark Murphy - as well as picketing at Lambeau Field with a press release for the local and national Media - and telling the Executive Committee, Brian and Mark tht they are not put in place by the fans/stockholders of the Packers to maximize 31 Billionaire's profit by moving the longest tenured Packer and Passer Rating Champ and MVP 2 of the last 3 years to the underperforming NY Television market, but to preserve the identity of the Green Bay Packers both in terms of its winning tradition and human values.

Even if the Jets trade were to provide the Packers with value that matched or exceeded what the Bears received for the unknown future outcome of this year's #1 overall pick, exceeded what the Lions received for Matthew Stafford, exceeded what the Seahawks received for Russell Wilson:

Russell Wilson was traded for 7 players - the 9th (2022), 5th (2023), 40th (2022), 37th (2023) picks in the NFL Draft - all unconditional draft picks - & a young solid starting tight end (Noah Fant, the 20th pick in the 2019 draft) & a starting defensive end (Shelby Harris) & quarterback Drew Lock (2nd round 42nd overall pick in the 2019 draft - 6 players who will be Seattle starters and 2 of which (5th and 9th pick) will probably be all pros and a backup or possible starting QB in young Lock.

which we know it won't, not because Aaron Rodgers is not currently worth that much, but because it is in the 31 Billionaire Parasite Owners profit maximizing best interest to have the Jets pay as little as possible to see that the Jets are back in the playoffs and New York NFL television market is maximizing revenues, it is still much more important long term for the Packers and Packers Green Bay community to preserve the identity of the Green Bay Packers both in terms of its winning tradition and human values.

Since '61: I've enjoyed the last 15 seasons but all good things come to an end and the Rodgers era has ended in Green Bay. Bring on Jordan Love and let's see what we've got. Thanks, Since '61

STR: Since '61, it is much more than the Packers winning coming to an end and Rodgers era ending.

This is a slippery slope the Packers are now on and the beginning of what I described to another Packer fan below.

Lafleur won't depart for an ownerships stake in the Commanders as Lombardi did for the Redskins after the Packers losing 6-7-1 1968 season, but the Packers being owned by some Parasite Billionaire, like Bezos or Buffett or Musk or another, and Lambeau field renamed "Amazon Park" or some other "Cryptocurrency Park" Billionaire societal scheme, will be at the bottom of the slide downward:

Response to another Packer Fan regarding his blaming the January 8, 2023 Lions Packer game loss on Rodgers and what lies ahead should this Ignorant Emotion Driven Packer Management trade of Rodgers go through:

5 Dropped passes by the Packers in the final Lions game did not help.

42 Drops in 2022 vs. only 15 Drops in 2021 - Credit Packer Management for that.

Fumble by one of the Packers best - Aaron Jones - near the end of the first half with the Packers about to go up by 2 scores also did not help.

Team game and the Packers could have easily been in San Francisco the next week playing the 49ers.

And now, if the IGNORANT, EMOTION DRIVEN bonehead Packer trade goes through it is unlikely the Packers will touch the playoffs more than once in the next 4 years while Rodgers finishes his 4 year contract with the Jets in 2026-27 and retires leaving Jets no dead cap and having led the Jets to the playoffs 4 years.

And Jets fans will be overjoyed with even having made the playoffs.

And spoiled young 40 and under Packer fans who have known nothing but Favre and Rodgers and complain that the Packers "only" won 1 Super Bowl during Rodgers 15 years as starter - which is as many as any other NFC QB over those 15 years - will be long gone from watching Packer games, having departed as the fair weather fans they are.

And Brian and Mark will be gone then too, to leave the mess they created for who knows who.

Maybe by that time some Parasite Billionaire will have purchased the Packers and join the other 31 Parasites and Lambeau Field will be renamed Amazon Park or something like that if Bezos fails in his pursuit of the Commanders.

And maybe Lafleur will leave like Lombardi did for stock in the Redskins - though probably not given the outcome that awaits him with College Football's 2019-2020 Interception leader that Brian drafted to replace the now 18 year longest tenured Packer who in 2018 had set an ALL TIME NFL RECORD with the fewest interceptions - just 2 - of any quarterback in NFL history who had thrown 500 passes in a season.
And the next year - 2019 - the same Packer QB threw 4 interceptions, placing him 2nd in the NFL Record books all time for fewest interceptions in a season for QBs that had over 500 pass attempts.

But now in 2023 the Packers will get to fully test out Brian's choice to replace these amazing feats by the all time longest tenured Packer with a Packer that over 4 years has started just 1 game - in which he was game planned for and terrible - with 2019-20 all of College Football, large and small, leader in most interceptions thrown, Jordan Love.
And we Packer die hards will be always cheering Jordan nonetheless because we are TRUE PACKER FANS, not Packer Management's boys.

Good to know. Thanks TGR, Since '61