Here Are The Pieces - Solve The Jigsaw Puzzle

The answer is: These are the ways the Packers will use to get under the salary cap.

The best way to think about getting under the salary cap is to envision three scenarios: 1) Rodgers returns with an extension, so the Packers try to keep as many pieces as they can; 2) Rodgers is traded but the Front Office wants to field a competitive team in 2022; 3) Rodgers is traded and the Front Office is willing to lose a lot in 2022, opting instead to gain draft picks and rip the bandaids off.

The Packers need to generate about $53.5M including designating ERFAs but not tendering Lazard or tagging anyone else.  OTC indicates $50.7M but the Packers are almost certain to extend qualified offers to their ERFAs. The Packers will need another $10M or so for the practice squad, draft picks, 52nd/53rd contracts, and an in-season kitty to use for normal operations.  Since the team will not need that $10M until September, I would exclude that normally but I have listed every player they can wring cap savings out of in the table below while not leaving much meat on the bone.  They will not be able to generate more very easily.

Here is scenario 1: Rodgers returns.

 

Ext A Ext B Rel Amt Player Cap # Tag
$10M $20M $19.8M $20M Rodgers    
  $11.2M $15.28M $15.3M Z. Smith    
$5M $7M   $7M Alexander    
    $6.75M $6.75M Cobb    
$6.33M $7.6M   $6.33M Bakhtiari    
$4M $11.79M   $10M Clark    
$6M $9M $12.5M $8M P. Smith    
$4.7M $6.78M $4.65M 4.77M Amos    
$2.96M   $4.08M 3.62M Lowry    
    $2.44M $2.44M Lewis    
$3.91M $4.91M $3.36M $3.91M Turner    
$2.5M $3.05M ($800K) $3.05M Jones    
$1.71M $1.82M 2.395M $2.395M Crosby    
      $0 Jenkins    
  $972K   $0 King    
  $1.4M   $0 Gary    
      $93.57M ($63.5M) $30.07M  
Release Adjust 4 x $825K = -$3.30M  
        Spendable $26.77M  
      Adams   $10M $20.12M
      Campbell   $3M  
      MVS   $4M $8.3M
      Douglas   $2.7M $6.75M
      Tonyan   $1.9M $5.5M
      Kelly   $1.5M $1.5M
      Sullivan   $1.9M $3M
      King Special - $147K  
      Patrick   $1.4M $2M
      Mercilus   1.12M  
      Bojorquez   1.12M  
      Lancaster   1.4M $1.75M
      Ramsey   965K  
      Burks   1.035M  
      Summers   1.035M  

Extension A is an extension for well less than the maximum that can be generated.  Extension B is one that is more extreme.  The next column is the amount generated if the player is released.  The next column is the amount of cap relief I personally selected in each case.  The next column is for the name of each player.  At the bottom of the table I have inserted players the Packers might want back.  The column to the right of the players' names is their estimated first year cap number under a new deal and the next is a tag or tender amount if applicable, or an AAV if no tag or tender is applicable.

The adjustment row is for the four players I decided to outright release who were under contract for 2022 (so anyone voiding out does not count).  Since they were released, a cheaper player probably making the minimum of $705K will replace them (but when the ERFAs are designated that number will jump to about $825K.  So, I think an adjustment of 4 times $825K, or $3.3M, is proper.  That has to be subtracted from the amount available to spend.

Similarly, players not now on the roster who are re-signed will have an adjustment in a positive direction.  If Adams has a $10M cap number, the 51st player now making $825K will drop off of the top 51, so the net for signing Adams would be $10 - $825K or $9.175M.  Someone like Lancaster whose first year cap number might be around $1.4M actually will only reduce cap space under the Rule of 51 by $1.4M minus $825K, or $575K.  

In my last two articles I gave some contract estimates for some of the players who are UFAs and RFAs, including estimates by Spotrac and the value of their play in 2021 according to overthecap.  I found this article by Pro Football Focus as to value of the top 200 free agents, which includes several of the Packers' players in question. 

Adams:  It will be a lot.  A $14M first-year cap number is more reasonable....

Campbell: 2 years, $18M, or $9M AAV with $11M guaranteed, per PFF estimate.  Normally I would use half or 60% of the AAV as a working number for a first-year cap number, but the Packers could use 3 void years if Campbell doesn't get a 4-year deal somewhere.  In the void year scenario, I would envision their usual 30% of total value as a signing bonus (SB), so perhaps $6M, for a $1.2M proration plus a minimum base of $1.12M for a cap number of $2.32M, but that does not get even his AAV to Campbell in cash in year one.  So, $8M bonus plus the minimum for a $2.72M cap number.  No doubt the Packers would like a workout and game active bonus, but those can't be prorated, so I estimated about $3M.  This would be an extreme structure so the player needs to pan out for the Packers.  Indeed, most of the contracts below are extreme but are mostly for lesser amounts at least.

Valdes-Scantling: 3 years, $25M ($8.33M AAV), with $16M guaranteed, per PFF.  Valdes-Scantling has only earned $4.2M in his career so far, with half of that or so going to taxes and agent's commissions.  I think it is harder to do some creative accounting with him.  I will use a $4M first year cap number.

Rasul Douglas:  3 years, $20.25M ($6.75M AAV), with $13.25M guaranteed per PFF.  That estimate has a lower AAV than I had envisioned in my previous article while being far more more generous with guaranteed money.  Based on $20M total value, the Packers use around a $6M SB for most players (in most years).  $1.2M proration plus minimum base is about $2.2M, plus $500K in workout and game active bonuses would be $2.7M.  That is my guess for purposes of this article, but I actually was thinking more along $8M AAV and a $4M first year cap number.

Tonyan: 1 year, $5.5M with $3.75M guaranteed per PFF.  Tonyan suffered a torn ACL in week 8.  Odds are he starts on the PUP and misses 6 weeks.  That is too much given the numbers above.  The Packers would have to give him a $4M SB with 4 void years for a $0.8M proration and a minumum base, which would come out to about $1.9M in 2022.  The team could use incentives since he had only 204 receiving yards and 2 TDs or they could have some kind of club option for 2023: otherwise, I don't see this as worth the risk.

Dennis Kelly: 1 year, $1.5M, with $500K guaranteedper PFF.  OTC listed the value of his play at over $5M but here is another outlet suggesting that the NFL does not pay players like Kelly.  I never understood how the Packers signed Kelly for so little last year (unless it was injury-related), so I am going to punt here and just use PFF's number.

King: As previously outlined, if King is extended, his $3.0M dead money would not hit the cap.  Instead, just his proration for 2022 ($750K) plus whatever they paid him.  Cap relief can be gained by retaining the player.  [See below, though.]

The rest mostly will be available for their minimum.  Some might come back on a qualified contract. 

Ken Ingalls in a recent tweet explained that the contracts of Sullivan, King, Tonyan and Campbell void on February 21s at midnight.  Apparently the league offices are not open on Sunday so the Packers would have had to get the paperwork for extensions to the NFL on Saturday (yesterday) in order to avoid their dead money hits from immediately hitting the salary cap.  If there is no news today or Monday, that probably means no extensions were reached.  Dead money amounts are $3M for King, $1.88M for Tonyan, $970K for Sullivan and $808K for Campbell.

The Packers need to know if Rodgers is returning on an extension.  I have them getting $20M in cap savings before the new league due to an extension, leaving them with almost $27M to spend.  It would be difficult to tag Davante Adams if that is all the space they have. 

If Rodgers is traded, the table shows the Packers with under $7M in which case they would be legally unable to tag Adams.  However, I included $10M for a piggy bank, signing draft picks and the 52nd and 53rd contracts.  That space would not be used until May/June and not until September, so at the time when the tag has to be made, the Packers would have almost $17M.  If they wanted to tag Adams, they could generate the necessary space by releasing Preston Smith or just dig a little deeper on some of these extensions. It would be very tight and Adams would know that time is not on the side of the team. 

Right now, we are operating under the assumption that Rodgers will be extended.  This article deals with that scenario.  I will look at scenarios 2 and 3 at a later date.

Time for you readers to solve the puzzle!

 

 

 

 

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

February 20, 2022 at 06:00 pm

What we don't have space for is listing all of the actual contracts for the players that were extended to keep AR (I did write an article showing what AR's contract extension might look like). Each contract, while not being truly hideous in itself, is a little homely. When they are written down back to back, things look ugly.

I have not lost faith in AR's ability on the playing field, even during the playoffs. For those who have, I can see the argument just by looking at AR's stats for those playoff losses. No, the reason I have decided it is time to move on from AR is due to what would have to be done with the contracts of other players, the players the team would lose from the 2021 team, because the window for getting a return from trading AR is closing the older he gets, and that return will probably never be higher than after back-to-back MVP seasons.

All that said, solving this puzzle is not as hard as it might seem if your assumption is keeping AR and DA. The team essentially has to do something with every player who is on a 2nd contract, either wringing money out of it or releasing or trading said player(s). If your assumptions are different or you are in scenario 2 or 3, there are a lot of directions to consider.

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Coldworld's picture

February 20, 2022 at 06:04 pm

Congratulations TGR, your very own Seven Bridges of Königsberg challenge.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

February 20, 2022 at 06:11 pm

Well, I had to google that reference to the bridges. Thanks for that: my brother-in-law is a math professor at a well known university, so it never hurts to know more.

Those first year cap numbers for the players GB decides to bring back look low to me. That probably is a rosy scenario.

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Coldworld's picture

February 20, 2022 at 06:20 pm

If you can look at that landscape and find any kind of rose blooming, you should consider that a triumph.

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LLCHESTY's picture

February 20, 2022 at 08:37 pm

I was thinking more like Bridge of Sighs. 🎶The moon don't move the tides to wash me clean🎶 is pretty analogous to the Packers cap situation.

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LeotisHarris's picture

February 21, 2022 at 03:25 pm

Finally someone steps up to address the lack of Robin Trower love around here. Well done, LL, well done!

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LLCHESTY's picture

February 21, 2022 at 10:51 pm

You bet! One of my favorite guitarists. I saw him in a bar in Sauk City back in the '90s. Wasn't the same without James Dewar but still a really good show.

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Leatherhead's picture

February 20, 2022 at 06:45 pm

Thank you. This shows very clearly the Packers could conceivably roll with Rodgers and Adams for a couple of seasons. We could put a competitive product on the field.

As I read through the article, I had a flashback to a dorm room in Stevens Point where I was forcing my mind to process info when I’d rather be partying.

I’m in favor of the scenario where we move on without Rodgers or Adams and still have a good team without mortgaging the future. I’ll be really interested in your analysis of that.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

February 20, 2022 at 07:51 pm

LOL. You just want to rip me a ... that is, butt heads. In my shorthand, you want the soft landing (competitive team if not a real contender for a Lombardi Trophy),and I am sure you would prefer the nearly seamless transition: going from one super bowl contending team to the next with somewhat different personnel.

I will do that, and try to be objective on how best to achieve those goals. [You could wrestle with the numbers instead of going partying all night every night, but I will slip you my class notes.] That might mean rolling with Love to see what we've got: if he's promising then great. If not, move on.

I actually think that's what Chicago did when they traded for Khalil Mack: they rightly decided that Mack was the final piece to a dominant defense, and they hoped that Trubisky would develop into a top 12 QB, good enough for the team to put a decent amount of points of the board. Having sent a couple of firsts for Mack, they were not able to draft their way to completing their team. Drafting a Kamara type in the 3rd instead of a Montgomery might have given them enough even though Trubisky did not blossom.

That said, there will be one that describes a complete rebuild versus a retooling. There are different paths that could lead to the desired destination. I have no special qualifications, but I can tell you when Bakh or Jones or AR can be traded, released, etc.

Of course, thinks could start happening. If GB announces an extension for AR and DA tomorrow, I probably won't try to explore what could have been done differently.

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Leatherhead's picture

February 20, 2022 at 10:10 pm

You call it butting heads, but for me, it’s more like sharpening my blade on your steel.

I want The Happy Ending. Rodgers gets a fresh chance with a good team, Denver gets a chance to compete in their division, Green Bay gets a chance to put a really good team around Love. Win, win,win.

Trade Rodgers for Jeudy and the #9 pick. Most of the offense returns, most of the defense returns. We have the resources to upgrade both units. See what Love can do. If he’s the solution, great, and if he’s not you make the change before you start spending real money.

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LLCHESTY's picture

February 20, 2022 at 10:53 pm

Whoa, easy there. They can get a lot more than that for him. Two 1sts, a 2nd and Jeudy and we'll talk.

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Leatherhead's picture

February 21, 2022 at 07:40 am

There is the $20 million. Plus a top ten draft pick, plus Jeudy, who was a top ten pick. So two top ten picks plus $20 million in cap relief sounds good to me. If we can get more, great, but being greedy usually works against you.

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LambeauPlain's picture

February 21, 2022 at 09:49 am

I think the Packers could have earned your haul last off-season. Now? I don't think so. After Rodgers finally reported, he said he was strongly considering retiring...50/50 coin flip.

I think he is closer to retirement than many fans think. Would you give up two 1sts, a 2nd and Jeudy with the distinct possibility Rodgers could retire after the 2022 season?

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LLCHESTY's picture

February 20, 2022 at 06:52 pm

If this is true it answers a lot of questions. I don't see them getting more than a 3rd rounder for Love but I could be wrong.

https://twitter.com/CJGolson/status/1495459736485089287?t=NO2SNpdMjjXpCu...

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BirdDogUni's picture

February 20, 2022 at 07:38 pm

Well, if Gutey trades Love for a 3rd round pick, he ought to be fired immediately. Trading him for a 3rd is even more stupid than spending a 1st and a 4th to get him.

Now if he traded Love to Atlanta for say, Calvin Ridley or Kyle Pitts or Deion Jones, I might listen... ; )

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

February 20, 2022 at 08:06 pm

Dude, you're a greedy person!

Washington has the 73rd pick and also the 42nd pick. Sold for the 42nd pick. I would consider the 73rd pick. If we had taken McLaurin with the 75th like you wanted instead of Sternberger like I wanted, things might have been different in GB.

I suppose in the end it depends on how well GB does with the pick and what Love turns out to be.

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LLCHESTY's picture

February 20, 2022 at 08:48 pm

Atlanta has the 48th, 53rd and 74th. They could always ask for a 3rd rounder and a conditional pick that could be anywhere from a 3rd to a 5th depending on playing time and success. There are some Matt Ryan to Washington rumors so the Falcons could just be looking for a bridge QB til next year's draft. Not sure what that's worth.

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LLCHESTY's picture

February 20, 2022 at 08:49 pm

IDK, there's nothing wrong with admitting you were wrong and moving on. I think the mistake they made was looking at the NFCCG and instead of reinforcing areas of need they decided they were further away than they really were and that Rodgers was slipping. Lower 1st round QBs fail way more than they succeed and they see him everyday in practice and the film room. If Love doesn't have "it" moving on is fine with me.

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Coldworld's picture

February 20, 2022 at 10:45 pm

This whole fantasy is wrong. Rotten to the core.

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Coldworld's picture

February 20, 2022 at 10:45 pm

Duplicate

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croatpackfan's picture

February 21, 2022 at 03:44 am

"I think the mistake they made was looking at the NFCCG and instead of reinforcing areas of need they decided they were further away than they really were and that Rodgers was slipping."

Well main mistake was counting that the same procedure that fails year by year repeating again. There is no way you can be sure that you'll draft 3 future HOFer in one draft, odds are that you'll draft 3 JAGs or busts instead of HOFers.

And it also make no sense to return Tom Clements as QB coach from retirement. What in the world he can teach AR? He might help if he is psychologist or psychiatrist, because I can see that is the area which must be improved for AR. He has all knowledge regarding football!

Also, those announcements how different teams are offering trade for Jordan Love does not means that Packers are willing party in that. That means that other experts also believe Jordan Love is valuable asset. Do you really believe that other teams will offer 7th rounder for someone who is bust? Do not be ridiculous...

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LambeauPlain's picture

February 21, 2022 at 10:09 am

I still view Love as a glass half full proposition. Way to early to give up on him after just 6 quarters of NFL regular season football.

He out played Mahomes in what was a defensive game. He outplayed Rodgers in the 2nd half vs Detroit and even led the team to a late lead surrounded by backups on the O. The D couldn't hold. Had they held, and the Pack beat the Lions, the fan discussion on Love would be much different.

Look at his college stats as a two year starter and compare them to Rodgers two year starting stats at Cal. They are remarkably similar...and Rodgers did not have new coaches, new WRs, new O line his last year like Love did.

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Lphill's picture

February 20, 2022 at 07:01 pm

Packers can conceivably get to 90 million under the cap and lose only Cobb , Crosby and Z Smith if certain players agree to extensions and restructure, which I think they will .

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Minniman's picture

February 21, 2022 at 01:44 am

I have grave concerns about Z's effectiveness moving forward. If I don't see out of season "pump videos" from his camp showing him moving fluid and bending like a salsa dancer, then that back injury has taken the one thing away from him that set him apart from Gary and P. Smith.

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LambeauPlain's picture

February 21, 2022 at 10:14 am

Unfortunately for Z, his cap hit comes in a year when the draft is strong for Edge. Campbell is more valuable to the Packer D vs an expensive player with back issues.

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BirdDogUni's picture

February 20, 2022 at 07:27 pm

I read it TGR, but I don't know that I know anymore than before I read it. I trust all your numbers are right and you have a great handle on our cap situation, but unless we know what Gutey & Ball are up to, and what their plans are, it doesn't do us much good.

One thing I know for sure, we'll have 90 men on our 90 man roster. One of them will or won't be AR. Until we know that, I think we're just pissing in the wind...?

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

February 20, 2022 at 08:16 pm

It is up to you to decide whether extending Preston is a good idea, whether he is worth the risk. If they grab $10M from Clark, it means his cap numbers will increase to $23, $25 and $26 million. Like every other aspect of being a fan, we don't know what they are thinking about who to draft, which plays to call during a game, and our opinions don't change things. But we still look into those matters.

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BirdDogUni's picture

February 20, 2022 at 11:07 pm

True, true. I just don't know if we should extend Preston or not... Or if Gutey has another plan? There are two or three Edge guys they could seriously be looking to draft. Maybe they try to bring back Mercilus cheaper? IDK. I do like to voice my opinion on some stuff, like I couldn't believe they re-upped King last year after his NFCCG debacle, but it seems like this year it might be cheaper to bring him back? IDK.

I think we need all need more information and hopefully this next week we'll have some more information.

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Coldworld's picture

February 21, 2022 at 09:09 am

The problem with King is similar to that with Cobb, it’s not his play, but that one can’t rely on him to be able to be out there and healthy when it matters. Don’t resign those types of players. They can’t be part of overall plans as a result of oft proven fragility.

Resign Douglas or look elsewhere unless as an emergency injury replacement in season. That said, when a team is inhaling the fumes of fantasy as deeply as it seems the Packers are, these are the type of signings that emphasize the degree of departure from reality. We may yet see them.

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PatrickGB's picture

February 20, 2022 at 08:33 pm

Please forward this to Russ Ball. ,-)
I hate puzzles!

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

February 20, 2022 at 08:35 pm

My photo got hijacked! Oh well, this one works.

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stockholder's picture

February 20, 2022 at 09:37 pm

But your Re-signings don't. No way we pay Campbell that. No way we pay Douglass that. Kelly is a cut. Turner is staying. king is Leaving. And I wouldn't blame Gutey if he drafted another CB.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

February 21, 2022 at 12:47 am

But I am not advocating here. What a player might get in free agency is always speculation. Rather than pull numbers from my arse, I used PFF's numbers. Their numbers may well be off.

Whatever Campbell ends up getting, a $3M first year cap hit isn't too much for him. If you mean it is far too small, you could very well be correct and I'd agree with you. Do you want Campbell retained? If not, what he costs doesn't matter to us. If you want him back, how much should he be paid and how much should his first-year cap number be?

Kelly is a free agent, or will be absent action.
King is a free agent because his contract voided an hour ago.

Turner can stay, fine. They do need to wring some money out of his contract. How hard should it be squeezed?

I am fine with Gute drafting another CB. Or a DB. Henry Black is terrible. Sullivan, Douglas and King are free agents or will be.

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stockholder's picture

February 21, 2022 at 06:49 am

If they feel Campbell is now the leader of this defense. Your number is fair. But I still think they let him go. Gutey let Martinez go. This position will get drafted. I wouldn't squeeze Turner. He is the RT now. And his versatility keeps him on this club.

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Spock's picture

February 21, 2022 at 05:59 am

Love the puzzle illustration with the two pieces "out" of the puzzle and neither one has an "inny" on the short end, only "outeys". :)

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

February 21, 2022 at 07:09 am

They changed the photo. I used a different one of a different puzzle. Had to have been a mod so Jersey Al, Aaron or Corey, I assume.

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stockholder's picture

February 20, 2022 at 09:17 pm

#1 - I'm cutting what I can Draft.= With the edge rushers so strong. Z.Smith can see the writing on the wall. #2 I just don't want to kick the can down the road; with DeVante Adams.!! (Comp pick please! ) The packers have a shot at several good second rd. WRs. Why? Because there are 5 CBs that are projected in the first rd now. Not to mention 3 good DL. So there are my two cuts. I wouldn't extend Rodgers unless he is committed to playing. So Bahk's contract is the answer here. And Clarke is the other guy who can make this happen. Re-work them. Alexander is the guy to extend. MVS and Lazard. Will be signed below value.(Good-Bye for now- Cobb) It's time for new LBs. I'm letting Burks and Summers go. Drafting a DL puts Lowrey out the door.

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LLCHESTY's picture

February 20, 2022 at 09:52 pm

Might be news on Campbell soon. Saw a tweet that he's in Green Bay and Ingalls is saying they have til midnight to redo his deal and save some money.

For some reason it won't let me repost the tweet.

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BirdDogUni's picture

February 20, 2022 at 10:42 pm

Hoping we hear something on Rasul too! We need them both for certain!

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LLCHESTY's picture

February 20, 2022 at 10:56 pm

It keeps saying I already submitted a duplicate post when I try to link a tweet but a couple of people are saying he signed a new deal.

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BirdDogUni's picture

February 20, 2022 at 11:59 pm

I think you can post one link per article? (Don't quote me though.) ; )

We definitely need Rasul and Campbell if we're even going to contend for the North... (IMHO)

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LLCHESTY's picture

February 21, 2022 at 01:44 am

Maybe it was my wifi, I'd hit submit comment and nothing would happen so I'd hit again and it would say you can't post same comment twice. But I tried 3 different tweets and none of them would go through and one without links posted right away.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

February 21, 2022 at 02:41 am

Every once in a while I can't post a link. Usually you can post one link per comment. However, if you have posted a comment with a link and then go into it to edit, it won't repost. You have to cut the link, post, edit and reinsert the link. It is to prevent spamming. That tech stuff is above my pay grade.

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Coldworld's picture

February 21, 2022 at 09:16 am

I think it’s now only one link per thread, not comment.

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LLCHESTY's picture

February 20, 2022 at 11:32 pm

Rasul didn't have void years they're trying to save cap space on. But King and Sullivan did so it looks like they will be gone, which might point to them trying to get a deal done with Rasul. I think they should try him at slot during the minicamps and see how he does. Way better tackler than Sullivan and has good size to match up with bigger WRs and move TEs lined up in the slot.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

February 21, 2022 at 01:01 am

This shows you that even $606K (Campbell's dead money hit if he contract voids is $202K times four void years) is important to save. He has $202K prorations in 22, 23, 24, and 2025, so by signing a new deal, $606K won't accelerate.

Did anyone see King ($3M big ones), Tonyan ($1.8M altogether) or Sullivan ($970K) at the donut shop in GB? dobber was supposed to surveil them.

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Alberta_Packer's picture

February 21, 2022 at 12:16 am

Mad props to TGR for making the impossible look possible. However as I read what it would take to bring Rodgers (and Adams) back - I realized that it would require an extreme salary cap contortion with numerous other moving parts. As I am a believer of "simpler is better" - I still prefer the non-Rodgers scenario.

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Coldworld's picture

February 21, 2022 at 09:14 am

It’s never been impossible to do this, just hugely irresponsible

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

February 21, 2022 at 01:33 am

Watch for any players whose contracts are left alone if they are under contract for 2022. That could mean a couple of things. One is that the Packers are going to trade that player. They might wait until June to make the trade if the player is under contract for multiple years yet. Aaron Jones would be a prime example. Turner has just one year left so a trade probably happens more quickly or if an OT falls to them in the draft.

If they wanted Tonyan, Sullivan or King, it would have been done by Sunday. Maybe the player wants to wait for the tampering period and it could still happen, but the probabilities get altered.

I released Z, Cobb, Lewis, and Crosby. I chose to modify Bakh's contract for $6.33M in cap relief but GB can get over $9M if the two can agree to it. I could have gotten another $1M from Clark, Turner, and Preston or $4.5M more from Preston with a release instead of an extension.

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LLCHESTY's picture

February 21, 2022 at 01:48 am

I think Coldworld is going to have get used to the fact they're getting the band back together. Maybe with a different keyboardist and 2nd guitarist but the main guys are still around. As long as the new guys can do their jobs competently it still should be a good show.

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Coldworld's picture

February 21, 2022 at 08:33 am

I’ve not been saying that they won’t try to do it, I’ve been trying to point out that doing it is simply indefensible. If they do it, it’s a pre programmed path to irrelevance cushioned by a couple of years of semi comfortable futility.

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BirdDogUni's picture

February 21, 2022 at 09:05 am

The good news Cw: Aaron Rodgers could save us from ourselves.

If Aaron Rodgers asks for a trade, (which in my opinion) would be the best thing for the Green Bay Packers.

Gutey can field calls from all interested parties and pick the best deal. No doubt our best chance to win a SB the next two years is Aaron Rodgers, but it may not be a possibility if AR asks for a trade.

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Coldworld's picture

February 21, 2022 at 09:26 am

I’ve never thought Rodgers was as smart off the field as he seems to think he is. If he comes back looking to win a Super Bowl in this position then that will tend to confirm that.

The problem even if he does see through it is that we are still led by a group who were willing to mortgage the team to bring him back. If indeed that is their goal, we will know soon.

The best chance isn’t a good one at all, to the point of being a misnomer. That’s not pure speculation, we’ve seen it over and over with better rosters. Now we hear people praying for drafts of the century to bridge the gap … at some point reality departed.

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LambeauPlain's picture

February 21, 2022 at 10:31 am

I am not so sure Rodgers is the best option for another Lombardi. He hasn't been able to win that hardware for the last 12 years.

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dobber's picture

February 21, 2022 at 09:23 am

:I’ve been trying to point out that doing it is simply indefensible"

It's only defensible if it results in at least one title...and I don't see that path resulting from what it will take to bring these pieces back. It's an awful paradox.

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Coldworld's picture

February 21, 2022 at 09:38 am

It’s not a paradox, it’s refusal to open one’s eyes. It’s throwing collective arms in the air and praying for miracles. As you’ve pointed out, we’ve had years of testing the theory in practice with more youth and better rosters. Nor is it a zero sum proposition for the future: it comes at the price of picks and a cap burdened for a number of years. When the Cap does go up it won’t be for us.

This type of thing only happens when a leadership is lost in its own narrative: living divorced from reality. It would explain the consistent failures to adapt and fix obvious issues though.

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dobber's picture

February 21, 2022 at 09:35 am

We agree, of course, and seem to have agreed throughout this process.

Maybe 'death spiral' is a better term than 'paradox'.

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Coldworld's picture

February 21, 2022 at 09:51 am

A death spiral is apt. This is actually a common reason why businesses with good products cease to exist. They become lost in a self endorsing culture and world view. Reality outside becomes twisted and misunderstood or even refuted. The results are explained away by increasingly more strained excuses until the business collapses, or is swallowed up for its assets. It’s typically seen where non employee scrutiny is flawed, through inattention or as a result of control or influence from the executives: a significant issue with the Packers’ structure.

The Packers won’t fold of course, but the football side could well become a bottom feeder. That could eventually undermine the external revenue streams, but more likely all are gone or disgraced before that. Their replacements will have to rebuild not only the team but the entire football side and culture. That’s not a prospect that is pleasant to experience or short lived.

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jurp's picture

February 21, 2022 at 09:12 am

Chesty, if this is true then you and a lot of other fans are going to have to get used to a 9-8 record being a target for the team (2024 and later), just like getting over .500 was in the late 70s and into the late 80s.

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jurp's picture

February 21, 2022 at 09:10 am

Thanks for your hard work, TGR.

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Alberta_Packer's picture

February 21, 2022 at 12:58 pm

So by solving the puzzle - is "the beautiful mystery" unveiled?

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