Cory's Corner: Why Not Ndamukong Suh?
But…why not Ndamukong Suh? Why should the rest of the NFL wait on baited breath for the Patriots to sign an impact veteran?
This is unthinkable and maybe many Packers’ fans think it’s detestable.
But…why not Ndamukong Suh? Why should the rest of the NFL wait on baited breath for the Patriots to sign an impact veteran?
Yes, I know Suh has been a thorn in the Shield’s side for his entire career. He has been fined $216,875 and has been voted by his peers as the dirtiest player in the NFL.
But I say again, if the Patriots can swallow hard and bring him in to the fold, why can’t the Packers? Green Bay is claiming that it is in win-now territory and this move would certainly qualify as that.
Why? Well, Suh has been a top 10 defensive lineman since 2012. If the Packers sign him, the Packers instantly have two defensive linemen in the top 10 along with Kenny Clark — which really helps out new defensive coordinator Mike Pettine.
Obviously, Aaron Rodgers’ left leg has a huge problem with this. In 2014, Suh backed up and put all of his weight on the quarterback’s leg before being pushed away. The worst part about that incident is that Suh claimed his feet were numb and he didn’t know the difference between the ground and Rodgers’ foot.
Come on man. The video of that looked awful. Heck, a lot of what Suh has done has looked awful. He has been a guy that doesn’t turn off his motor at the shrill of the whistle and he has made it worse by trying to justify what he did.
Yet, after all that, I guarantee you that at least one team will be ready to give the 31-year-old a call. And I think the argument from the Packers can be made this way: “Listen, you’re still a remarkable talent in this league. However, we cannot have you cost us yards and momentum that would ultimately cost us games — especially for things that are deliberate and petty. If you continue the dirty play, you won’t be a member of the Packers. Period. Do you want one last chance to win a title?”
I think that’s the best way for general manager Brian Gutekunst to frame this. It addresses the elephant in the room while pointing out what the Packers have their eyes on.
Suh’s legacy has been muddied with boneheaded and irresponsible plays that overshadow all the good things that he has done on the field.
If he wants that legacy to change, a great place for a reset would be Green Bay. You get to play your former team twice a year and you get to play alongside a rising defensive lineman that could learn a thing or two from one of the best at the position in the last six years.
Why not Green Bay?
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Cory Jennerjohn is a graduate from UW-Oshkosh and has been in sports media for over 15 years. He was a co-host on "Clubhouse Live" and has also done various radio and TV work as well. He has written for newspapers, magazines and websites. He currently is a columnist for CHTV and also does various podcasts. He recently earned his Masters degree from the University of Iowa. He can be found on Twitter: @Coryjennerjohn
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Comments (93)
NickPerry
March 13, 2018 at 06:14 am
Oh Cory, this is not a good idea. No matter what Suh is still going to cost a lot of money. At THAT kind of money and at 31 years old I can think of quite a few ways to better spend what little cap space the Packers have.
Cubbygold
March 13, 2018 at 06:32 am
I agree because Suh doesn't strike me as a team-first guy. If he is, then he's going to the team that offers him the biggest contract, and we certainly don't want to win that contest.
I'd be all in favor of it if he was looking to win and be paid reasonably, but i suspect thats not going to happen.
Tom Brunhart
March 13, 2018 at 06:35 am
I have been frustrated at times with the way the Packers have played hard when a draft position was at stake. For example the Troy Aikman prize. But on the other hand I felt good about supporting a team with integrity. Suh is a classless SOB and I personally would turn off the set than watch this man in Green and Gold!!!!
Bearmeat
March 13, 2018 at 06:37 am
I agree NP, this is not a good idea at all. First of all, we don't need an interior DL. It's possibly the strongest position on the team outside of QB (not that that stopped us from moving a CB for backup QB..ugh). Second, Suh will demand 10 mil AAV. If we're going to cut one of our vets and spend that money on a FA, it had better not be on an interior DL. Third, Suh is a grade A butthole. I don't want a butthole on our team unless we NEED him to win.
We don't. Pass.
marpag1
March 13, 2018 at 08:50 am
"Third, Suh is a grade A butthole. I don't want a butthole on our team unless we NEED him to win."
LOL. Yeah, he is that. And to be fair, I think he would probably also be our best D-lineman, better than Daniels or Clark. But I probably wouldn't sign him because he's almost certainly going to cost too much, he's pretty old for a long-term contract, and because I do think you need to wonder how his "grade A buttholishness" is going to affect the team, especially a young guy like Kenny Clark.
dobber
March 13, 2018 at 12:37 pm
My hope is that he draws some of Wilkinson's market and depresses his value a little bit...
Edit: WilkERson...
marpag1
March 13, 2018 at 10:01 am
Personally, I doubt you'll get much better bang for the buck with Wilkerson. Both of them would be upgrades, for sure. But both are probably too pricey for GB. Suh will cost more than Wilkerson, but he's also better than Wilkerson.
If you really want to spend on a D-line guy, how much for a Beau Allen or a Daquan Jones? Both in their mid-20s, both about 330 lbs and could probably play nose. I'd say they are both a notch better than Lowrey, and are in the rotation at a bare minimum. Then again, I don't think you add a guy at D-line unless he's a true difference maker. Otherwise, there are more important needs.
Bearmeat
March 13, 2018 at 10:05 am
We'd be getting Wilkerson for his pass rushing ability at Elephant End. That would be my guess. Of course, Suh is a good pass rusher too.... If either of them cost 10 Mil AAV, I am on the "pass wagon."
dobber
March 13, 2018 at 10:15 am
That's exactly it: one-dimensional run-stuffers can be had for far less. They're both good against the run. If either of these guys ends up in GB, it will be a gamble on their ability to get back to 8+ sack seasons.
marpag1
March 13, 2018 at 10:19 am
Wilkerson's too big for an elephant, unless you mean a literal one. He's a 3-4 DE or a 4-3 tackle. But I agree with you and Dobber that true pass rushing upgrades will probably be too expensive.
John Ramble Kirk
March 13, 2018 at 11:14 am
Can we move him to TE with Montgomery. :)
Bearmeat
March 13, 2018 at 01:05 pm
hahaha!
flackcatcher
March 13, 2018 at 11:20 am
Heck, I sign Nick Perry to an extension than sign Suh. Talk about cap suicide......
worztik
March 15, 2018 at 02:23 pm
I agree Nick. Suh could be a real waste and ruin the locker room! He’s always been all about himself. Let’s just ignore his availability!
Royalty Free GM
March 13, 2018 at 06:34 am
No.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DbBaKjess5U
Any more good ideas?
Royalty Free GM
March 13, 2018 at 07:00 am
or maybe we need to hire NHL type of enforcer to take care that our star QB is not ran over without consequences.
Savage57
March 13, 2018 at 07:49 am
My biggest disappointment of the 2018 Packers season?
Anthony Barr not being taken off the field on a stretcher when the Dbags played the Packers at Lambeau.
Since'61
March 13, 2018 at 08:19 am
Savage - that was 2017. Hopefully it doesn't happen again in 2018. But I do agree that we should have evened up with Barr. Thanks, Since '61
Johnblood27
March 13, 2018 at 10:08 am
Where have the "Eye for an Eye" guys all gone?
Im an Old Testament kinda guy...
snowdog
March 13, 2018 at 11:48 am
Going against the grain here but Barrs hit was clean . Rodgers is known for rolling out to his left and willing to be a Runner . Barr reacts to tackle a Runner . Catches up to him and makes a tackle . That doesn't make it
unnecessary roughness .
Makes for good click bait tho
snowdog
March 13, 2018 at 11:50 am
Edit: runs out to his RIGHT
Arthur.Jackson
March 14, 2018 at 02:41 pm
Right, like this picutres shows - completely unavoidable.
https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/LX2Dt4DVduvYUHBAO0tvYliFXgE=/0x0:3778x25...(1587x958:2191x1562)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/57174007/usa_today_10348345.0.jpg
Then plants and launches does what the rules clearly state is "driving an opponent into the ground" which is further described as illegal.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DMMlTaFX0AAWqtW.jpg
I really don't understand wtf the league's thinking is and why they defended a player like Barr for what was clearly an illegal hit and worse, against a marquee player.
Mostly the defense is it was unavoidable, but it was and that he was out of the pocket and if the QB is free game for all shots. Again that is also not true as it is spelled very plainly in the rules.
TKWorldWide
March 13, 2018 at 06:41 am
Not mean enough.
4thand1
March 13, 2018 at 11:06 am
sign Suh and Richie Incognito, lmao
Bearmeat
March 16, 2018 at 09:34 am
It'd be a good MMA fight.
EddieLeeIvory
March 13, 2018 at 06:42 am
If the contract didn't kill us, I'd be all for it as well.
What good does it do to have a bunch of choir boys? How does that help us get back to the Super Bowl?
Jordy & Cobb are great people, great Christians, yet half of Packer nation wants them cut.
Matthews has been dirty. I don't care. Daniels makes a lot of bonehead plays, penalties. Y'all still love him, as I do. Suh is 2x the player Big Mike is.
He'd sign-off on adding Suh.
Bring some nasty to Pettine's defense.
Give us another Super Bowl.
Savage57
March 13, 2018 at 07:53 am
Suh already pocketed $60M of Stephen Ross' money, so maybe contract size isn't going to be a thing with him.
Naaah. On second thought, Suh's a douchebag, so it probably will.
ScaryGary
March 13, 2018 at 10:29 am
great point, but suh 2x the player big mike is? thats crazy talk. suh is better than wilkerson same baggage, more talent. he aint no reggie though
worztik
March 13, 2018 at 10:46 am
Pass really fast on a boy named Suh...
CAG123
March 14, 2018 at 02:15 am
What does any of that have to do with a player that’s stomped on EDS, smashed that same players head into the field, stepped on Rodgers injured leg, kicked Matt Schaub in the nuts, gave Cutler a forearm to the back of the head and that’s just what I can remember. No thanks you want toughness and grittiness not a dirtiness. You’re comparing apples to oranges.
Donster
March 13, 2018 at 07:10 am
He will want to much $ and the Pack has needs elsewhere. Plus, what did Suh accomplish for the Dolphins? Did he earn his huge salary? Nope. You think he would the the monster of old for less money in Green Bay? Don't think so.
Roadrunner23
March 13, 2018 at 07:28 am
Pass
dobber
March 13, 2018 at 12:37 pm
If I'm going to sign a FA DL off the street with a track record of not doing as much after he got paid, I'd take Wilkinson...at least he's still on the right side of 30.
In edit: WilkERson...ugh...
stockholder
March 13, 2018 at 08:10 am
FA DL = Lets compare Vita Vea , or any DL draftee to Suh and Wilkerson. The more you want a DL. The more Vea would be a better option. The eagles showed what big men up front can do. So to solve the draft @14. FA/Gute must bring in a CB, DL.
dobber
March 13, 2018 at 09:43 am
I'm just not as high on Vea as others are. He looks like a run-down stuffer with limited pass rush upside, to me.
CAG123
March 14, 2018 at 02:21 am
Thank you! He just feels like a mix between Ryan Pickett and Vince Wilfork to me definitely more athletic than booth but seems to be more of a run stuffer than pass rusher.
marpag1
March 13, 2018 at 07:50 am
“Listen, you’re still a remarkable talent in this league. However, we cannot have you cost us yards and momentum that would ultimately cost us games — especially for things that are deliberate and petty. If you continue the dirty play, you won’t be a member of the Packers. Period. Do you want one last chance to win a title?”
LOL. This is one of the funniest things I've read in a long while. "Now listen here, my good sir. Let me be straight with you. Should I discover that you are conducting yourself in an unsavory manner whilst on the field as a Green Bay Packer, do not think that I will hesitate to remove you from this roster promptly. Now can I trust that we are clear on this?"
LOL. Yeah, that'll fix 'em. Give him a good "talkin' to." Like no one's ever thought of that before.
Geez.
Johnblood27
March 13, 2018 at 09:30 am
Like Obama did with Putin.
Now lissen here Vlad...
dobber
March 13, 2018 at 09:34 am
Or Trump did with Putin?
"OK...Congress voted for sanctions, I think that vote is enough punishment. Now go think about what you did."
Johnblood27
March 13, 2018 at 10:09 am
We are led by millenial tuff guys...
either side of the aisle.
Disgusting.
Mike Daniels for Sec of State!
Bearmeat
March 13, 2018 at 01:06 pm
Ixnay on the Politixay please.
Michael Hughes
March 13, 2018 at 07:46 am
Dont like to bash the writers as its free to read. But corey you need to think a bit more before posting.
If you are going to keep posting about who we should sign or trade for you at least need to discuss how they fit within the cap. We probably need to cut a receiver to pay for randall replacement so do we cut them both to sign suh ? Leaving us with no tight ends and adams to catch balls. Who replaces them and do we need to keep cutting to replace the receivers.
We have very limited cap room and a lot of holes to fill so spending 10m on our strongest position would seem odd.
Packer_Fan
March 13, 2018 at 07:47 am
NEVER! This guy is bad news.
jww061356
March 13, 2018 at 07:52 am
Yeah, NO.
jww061356
March 13, 2018 at 07:58 am
I suspect tis guy has had a number of talks with coaches his whole life, and the only time he even gives you an even half hearted sense that he is listening is when it is contract time. He is all about he $$$$. People have been trying to control this kind of crap with him his whole life, I suspect.
marpag1
March 13, 2018 at 08:19 am
I wouldn't say he's "all about the money." He's been playing well even after cashing in. He's not Aaron Donald, but he's pretty dang good, no matter how detestable he may be as a human being. But yeah, the idea that Suh is going to straighten up and fly right just because some Packer coach gave him a lecture, just like all the other lectures he's been receiving ever since he first put on pads, is just kind of stupid and naive.
dobber
March 13, 2018 at 09:20 am
I tend to agree: he's had a lesser supporting cast in Miami where he's been "the guy" on that DL and is still scoring 4-5 sacks per season and plenty of tackles. He misses Fairley and the others on that very strong DL they had in Detroit. He's been healthy (hasn't missed a game in years). He seems to have cleaned up some of his on-field crap. All told, I'm not going to shoot myself in the foot and NOT look at him if I think he can help my team just because of that past trash. He's going to cost good money, though, and at 31 you have to ask how many years you could give him (or he could give you). Wilkerson's a 3-4 guy and 3 years younger...Suh's never played a 3-4, but I could see him essentially filling that DE role.
holmesmd
March 13, 2018 at 11:51 am
Cameron Wake is pretty good in Miami Dobber.
stockholder
March 13, 2018 at 07:59 am
Ridicules. To many RED FLAGS!
dobber
March 13, 2018 at 09:21 am
Like what?
Since'61
March 13, 2018 at 08:21 am
Pass. Thanks, Since '61
zerotolerance
March 13, 2018 at 08:46 am
Because he is a dick. Case closed.
Bert
March 13, 2018 at 09:09 am
Nah. He's a POS for sure. But I'd take a POS who played hard all (or even most) of the time. That's not Sue. He disappears for some pretty long stretches.
croatpackfan
March 13, 2018 at 09:14 am
Packers should avoid some players at any cost:
1. Ndamukong Suh
2. Jimmy Graham
3. Richard Sherman
4. Younger Bennett
It looks like things will be solved by itself...
Sherman is with 49ers, Bennett with Cheatriots, Graham will b e reunited with Saints, and Suh should be out of NFL
John Ramble Kirk
March 13, 2018 at 12:44 pm
What Bennett is with the Patriots? Martellus got cut and brother Michael is in Philly.
Christopher Gennaro
March 13, 2018 at 04:58 pm
#2 has been signed hopefully not for 10 million a year.
arthurl
March 13, 2018 at 09:19 am
Don’t care how talented he is; hopefully pack wants nothing to do with him.
fthisJack
March 13, 2018 at 09:19 am
Ahhhhhhhhhh.......NO!
Johnblood27
March 13, 2018 at 09:32 am
Corey has now ascended into full Skip Bayless territory.
Is this really what you aspire to Corey?
Spock
March 13, 2018 at 10:04 am
JB27 "...NOW ascended..."?? IMO darn near every Corey article has been "click bait" Skip Bayless territory! My least favorite writer on CHTV by far as I've said many times, sigh. :(
Oz40
March 13, 2018 at 09:43 am
Same old Packers. Just read that Robinson, Watkins going elsewhere. Are we going have a better pick in next years draft than #14? Living with older and slow wide outs will surly get us there.
dobber
March 13, 2018 at 10:05 am
I think Surly could do it...
http://simpsons.wikia.com/wiki/The_Seven_Duffs
Johnblood27
March 13, 2018 at 10:19 am
Youth, speed, skill...
all available in the draft in spades. No WR worries, we need to mix in some youth with upside (read NOT Davis or UDFA flotsam), we have vet leadership and can afford the youth alongside them (note NOT behind them)
Lets keep an eye on what we cannot get in the draft and then manuever to achieve those goals via trade or FA. Notably we really need some veteran influence in the secondary and some pass rush from anywhere!
FA seems depleted of pass rush, so we will need to bite the bullet there and just go young with potential, or maybe, just maybe, we could pull off a trade using some of our draft capital for an established pass rusher. Not a superstar, but someone at least consistent to bring some productivity until the youth pans out.
A vet CB is a need
John Ramble Kirk
March 13, 2018 at 12:48 pm
It is wildly unpopular to say it Oz, but these are the same Packers.
Bears land Allen Robinson and Trey Burton (I guess it's important to give your QB weapons)
Vikings get Cousins
What have we done? The same thing we do at every time this time of the year. I will say this, though...after seeing Watkins deal, it makes what looked like a terrible overpay to Davante not that at all, if it's truly 16 per.
I fell for the "change". I feel duped and should've known better.
marpag1
March 13, 2018 at 01:31 pm
Did you not see that the Packers have tendered Joe Callahan?
Seriously though, don't you think you might be jumping the gun a teensy bit? I mean, you stated pretty plainly that you had written off Gutekunst well before it was even possible to sign any free agents. Not sure what you were expecting him to do back then. As for now, I think there are a few more free agents than the ones who are already signed, right?
If I understand you right, I agree completely about the Watkins deal. It makes Davante look like a steal. Those are the kind of guys that I'm glad neither TT nor Gutekunst seem inclined to sign.
Ferrari Driver
March 13, 2018 at 10:00 am
I simply don't want to come all the way to Green Bay to watch "scum bags" in Green and Gold.
Johnblood27
March 13, 2018 at 10:17 am
unless we draft every spot from the military academies I fear that all we have is scum bags to choose from.
Where did we go wrong?
TXCHEESE
March 13, 2018 at 10:40 am
Loved this guy when he was at Nebraska, but since then he's turned off so many fans. He has talent, no doubt, but unless he's changed since going south, I in no way want this guy on the Packers. If the Packers can get a steady rotational D-lineman, they should be pretty solid up front. I would rather they spend the bucks on secondary and pass rusher talent.
Pack12
March 13, 2018 at 10:42 am
Suh is not a good idea. Completely over rated. If you own a winery and need someone to stomp on grapes then he's your guy.
4thand1
March 13, 2018 at 11:09 am
I think Suh would cause Stafford to give us 2 turn overs a game.
Chuck Farley
March 13, 2018 at 11:23 am
He is being let go because he is due 26 mil this year that's why not suh. He wants a lot and will demand a lot so he is out for the Pack.
Irish_Cheesehead
March 13, 2018 at 11:35 am
No way. If anyone screams "not a Packer person" it's Ndamukong Suh.
holmesmd
March 13, 2018 at 11:42 am
Too expensive, dirty player, bad history with the Packers, we don’t need him. Need we say more?!
Lare
March 13, 2018 at 12:20 pm
Another veteran player on the decline expecting to get paid more than his production dictates.
No Thanks
dobber
March 13, 2018 at 12:36 pm
Richardson to Washington...
profootballrumors.com/2018/03/redskins-high-on-wr-paul-richardson
worztik
March 13, 2018 at 03:24 pm
Packers to sign Jimmy Graham Wed per NFL network... too bad!!!!
Tundraboy
March 13, 2018 at 03:21 pm
I think our problem is that the Packers can not attract FA talent even with Rodgers because they know the team in general isn't going to do anything to make the team better. If the Packers haven't done enough to surround Rogers with talent in the last six years why would a free agent think that it was going to change now.
Lphill
March 13, 2018 at 03:23 pm
Jimmy graham on the way.
JerseyAl
March 13, 2018 at 03:24 pm
Being reported that Graham will sign a 3yr deal. No $ yet.
worztik
March 13, 2018 at 03:26 pm
Too bad! We don’t need a 31 y/o TE... we need to build our team with draft choices and not sign geezers to appease ARod!!!
stockholder
March 13, 2018 at 03:34 pm
I think your right here. Richard Rodgers speed. Just won't fall down. 3 years is to long for this guy. He's seen better days. The bears got the prize. We got the dingaling.
Lare
March 13, 2018 at 03:32 pm
Releasing Jordy Nelson.
Cubbygold
March 13, 2018 at 03:41 pm
It'll be interesting to see what JG signs for. Did GB just gain or lose cap space?
Royalty Free GM
March 13, 2018 at 04:06 pm
Jordy had 6 TDs in five games! , before ARod got hurt. Yeah, let’s get rid of him but keep Cobb... idiots. Wtf!
marpag1
March 13, 2018 at 03:50 pm
And that Nelson will be released. I wonder if they will try to resign him. He looked pretty bad last year.
Signing Graham is basically signing a WR. Can't block a lick, and doesn't even play in-line that often.
stockholder
March 13, 2018 at 03:52 pm
So we got another Bennett?
marpag1
March 13, 2018 at 04:00 pm
Not at all. Bennett was a superior blocker. Just a headcase, that's all.....
Royalty Free GM
March 13, 2018 at 03:30 pm
Omg. We signed 31 years old TE and give rest of our money to 34 years old.
I think our FA activity this year is in the books?
TT is still strong at GB.
packergal
March 13, 2018 at 03:53 pm
Bears and Vikings get talent, we get old guy TE Jimmy Graham (JG) And adding insult to injury, Jordy gets whacked to make JG deal happen? Ugh.
Royalty Free GM
March 13, 2018 at 04:09 pm
How much those idiots paid for Graham??
worztik
March 13, 2018 at 04:45 pm
This is a move to make King ARod happy! I wish we’d just start over... I’m tired of second tier everywhere but, one or three positions! Has Graham been injured as well? As much as I liked the Kizer/Randall trade, I dislike this one even more!
MarkinMadison
March 13, 2018 at 09:08 pm
because Mo Wilkerson...
LouBen
March 13, 2018 at 10:12 pm
Suh vs Rodgers........can you imagine the locker room electricity?