On another note, how does one “flipe” a bottle?

Assuming you mean 100% Packer People? Because Rodgers is at least 1% packer people. And that's like not expecting someone who works at Apple Computers to ever take a job with a competitor because of needing a change of scenery.

These guys are all Packer people while in the Green and Gold and then they are other people. Why? Because GB doesn't want them any more and that hurts. All the way back to Ryan Longwell, who went to MIN when GB didn't offer him a dime. He came back to GB to retire, saying it was the best place to play in the NFL. If Rodgers got the feeling GB wanted to move on, he was probably right, and he had to decide whether to retire or try with another team. Gutey has painted a nice picture of Rodgers not returning his calls, but if Rodgers was intuitive about where GB was at, I can see why he didn't want to talk to Gutey. Gutey can call them "conversations," as if it is two-sided, but if GB wanted to move on to Love, then it was actually just an announcement, described as a conversation.

His losing lost me.

The guy hasn’t smelled a Super Bowl in more than a decade.

That was then, this is now.
Age = Almost Gone.

Yeah, the play for nothing comment made me laugh. That being said, the Packers won't be paying 50M. They only paid Rodgers 42M last year. No doubt that second year hit was by design.

Who knows what the restructure will look like when the trade is done. I suspect it will look much different then it does right now.

But borderline disturbing...

Rodgers could've showed up for OTAs. Rodgers could've worked with his new receivers after the draft and before TC. Rodgers could've sat while his thumb healed...

All true, and all contradicting your news from INSIDE the cult.

Agree overall, but it was the market that dictated the terms of a guy coming off 3 seasons in a row with 13 wins and back-to-back MVPs. That is a rare, extremely rare accomplishment. No GM would have wanted to trade a player than just won back to back MVPs, and looking at the deals signed since that one, Rodgers' deal is going to look reasonable in a very, very short time.

"News from Outside the Cult:"

That's pretty good jannes : )

1. You reveal a bias against the Packers management and speculate a lot based on your comments not supported with any factual data or creditable sources.

2. Fact: The Packers front office did try to draft Jefferson:
https://lombardiave.com/2021/05/03/packers-trade-justin-jefferson-draft/

3. Fact: When they couldn't jump up to get Jefferson, Gutekunst traded and moved up to draft Love b/c drafting a QB, (since the Wolf era) was a hallmark for Wolf/Thompson, Gutekunst mentors.

4. Fact: At the time Gutekunst drafted Love, Rodgers had a 'Down' year in 2018, which by Rodgers own account was below his 'standards' and it occurred again in 2019. However, when he was questioned why he has had two 'Down' years as a starting QB, he quipped: 'Down years for me are career years for most quarterbacks.'

5. Fact: Gutekunst had no idea Rodgers would win MVP status in 2020 & 2021. He drafted Love in April of 2020, Rodgers had the first of two MVP seasons 8 months later. Hind site would have been great, but wasn't an option for Gutekunst. He had to go with what he saw on the field.

6. Fact: Gutekunst back tracked his comments about his 'hand-shake deal' to trade Rodgers after the 2021 season when MLF and Murphy concluded they wanted Rodgers back b/c Love had not shown enough to that point to move on. Gutekunst wanted to move on according to a report by ESPN Reporter Rob Demovsky, who said Gutekunst lost the opportunity to trade Rodgers when MLF and Murphy, (the final authority) sided with MLF.

7. Fact: Rodgers used his new found leverage in 2022 to return with a huge contract and the control he wanted. You are correct, the Packers brass created this mess, the coaching staff screwed up a lot during the playoff losses in 2011, 2014, 2016, 2020 and 2021. Rodgers, when he had one of the best offenses in the NFL in 2011, 2014, 2016, never made the plays Tom Brady or Patrick Mahomes made in the championship games where both those QBs have 9 SBs combined. So, the relationship between the Packers and Rodgers had played out long enough, and most fans wanted to move on, and if they are being unbiased know there is plenty of fault to go around for everyone. But to do that the bad guy, (in your opinion based on no factual data), Gutekunst has to clean up this mess. Most Packers fans are just that - they support the Team because as Lombardi said the Team always comes first. Players come and go so no one player is above the others. Rodgers lost me when he lied about being 'vaccinated' when in fact he was 'immunized'. The CDC's definition of both terms are completely separate. But Rodgers lied to cover up his lie he thought no one would figure out, but was later caught by the media for lying about his vaccinated status, while endangering other players, coaches and staff duirng the COVID crisis. And the Packers supported him 100% during that fiasco and some said enabled his behavior from that point forward.
https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2023/3/16/23642264/aaron-rodgers-green-bay....

Jump -It's time you and the others see the truth behind this.
Gute took Love to get rid of Rodgers.
Had Rodgers played out his contract.
The packers would have got a Comp pick. (3rd)
It put Gute in CONTROL!
Gute cost us the Super-bowl when he took Love.
And the Contract bought him the Time to
Continue his control over Rodgers.
Now they're No longer talking #1s.
Which he would have got from Denver.
Because Rodgers will use the retirement talk to get out.
And when they find Loves back-up;
it will cost them
whatever they get from the Jets.

Happy for ya!

Yes!
The ONE thing I’d like to know: he said before the darkness he was 90% sure he’d retire.

What I’d really like to ask him is, what was that retirement % RIGHT AFTER the darkness and BEFORE he “got the feeling GB didn’t want him”?

Admittedly, not certain, but, I think what happened was after the darkness he got his phone back and that was how he found out “from friends around the league” that GB was shopping him. He is a notorious “chip,on the shoulder” kind of (complicated) fella.

So, without factoring in the “being shopped” factor, where was his retirement % right after the darkness?

He got the "feeling' that the Packers didn't want him anymore. That's where the problem lies. He could have met with Gute like a man and put all the cards on the table. But he's a chickenshit. He can't get along with his family let alone his bosses. He has to gaslight them and make them look like the bad guys. Good riddance Aaron.

Gute said in his interview that they don't necessarily need a number one draft choice to get the deal done. There goes 13. I'm going to be very pissed when they get out negotiated by the Jets! The Jets!!!

This is a pretty ridiculous statement. First, you have to define "over rated". Who is doing the rating? Your cousins? Do your cousins rate him too high? The media? Fans? Opposing defenses? Because if you use raw stats, Rodgers is simply one of the highest rated QBs of all time. It's a rare accomplishment to win as many games as he did, win a Super Bowl, win with poor defenses, win with half the team injured, win with himself injured, to have the best rating of all time on picks. Only Mahomes comes anywhere close to Rodgers on a stats level for completion and QB rating and TDs to picks. And then there's the 4 x MVPs. Only Peyton Manning has more MVPs. Rodgers has more than Brady, indicating his relative importance to the team versus Brady's (played on teams with better defenses).

So, it would be very difficult to over-rate Rodgers unless you said he was the best to ever throw a football. You could get some real argument about that. But nobody who knows football would argue he's not in the top tier of talent and accomplishments. Pure mastery of the game, ridiculous accuracy, and crazy game-winning Hail Marys, among other exciting things for fans to watch.

True.

And "If I'd asked my customers what they wanted, they'd have said 'Don't change anything.'" - Henry Ford

"The future ain't what it used to be." Yogi Berra

Foreseeable...and called risk analysis. And you foresaw this risk earlier than most.

I only have opinions of the actual truth of things, and I still believe Gutey foresaw this too and was more than willing to pull the trigger with Denver, but was overruled by Murphy (who was heavily influenced by MLF).

I believe during and after the season, Rodgers was increasingly more ambivalent, less invested in the team and more distracted than ever. I believe Gutey was finally able to prevail on Murphy. Murphy even said last week "I have been sworn to secrecy about the Rodgers trade."

... with the chance being the kid brings home a winner, and into the playoffs.

ok

I would say Gutey is mostly telling the truth. But likely not telling the whole truth.

For example, "we couldn't get a hold of him". Well, when did the try getting a hold of him?

We don't know all the truths and never will. At this point, its just time to get the trade done and move on.

Murph, remember when I wrote, after Mark Murphy said "we are not idiots" who is saying that? Idiots!

"I'm not a victim!" is always said by victim!

"Also, subjectively and not fact, during the show Rodgers stated he wasn’t a victim, but then why did he portray himself as a victim? That’s my opinion of how I felt he came across during the interview."

Sounds like the Chris Rock Netflix special!
I say that only partially tongue-in-cheek, as nearly everyone tries to spin narratives their own way, but it's sometimes easy for the viewer or reader to spot those inconsistencies.

On the Pat McAfee Show interview, it seemed that Rodgers was being honest, and I had (now dwindling) hopes that this split will go about as well as possible. But if the deal is held up for days, weeks, even months, this could get quite ugly.

We really don't know how we got here. I mean we know that drafting Love started this whole thing. But we don't know what was said, what their conversations were like or anything.

Either away, we are here. lets get this trade done.

You can agree or disagree with what you choose.

I think Gutey is mostly telling the truth. But did he frame things so that it makes them look better? I believe so.

This is a both sides deal. It isn't all Packers or all Rodgers in this situation. That is essentially what I'm saying. We are hearing parts of truth, but not the complete truth from both sides.

Obviously its based on each situation. And we aren't talking about abusive relationships. Thats something entirely different.

I disagree with you that he is a piece of shit human. Just because you disagree with him over stuff, doesn't make him a bad person. I don't know him. But from what I have heard from people is he is a caring person.

You can say what you want about the MVP, but he earned it. Regardless of how you feel, he earned it and was the MVP. I don't get why people don't think he earned it that year.

Regardless, you do what you want and cheer how you want. I'm not going to tell you what to do.

Yes I am joking, polishing apples might be better! Just fed up with all the drama who said, who said that! Just get something settled one way or another.

*Issue him a Bane Mask with no opening... (JK)

Would be fun watching 12 on the sideline if we were winning.

The heck he wasnt. He didnt a score a single point in the first half. Had a pick and a lost fumble. Maybe if he scored some damn points, it puts a little pressure on the 49ers and maybe its a different game. Instead, Rodgers was every bit as bad as the defense and did nothing until the 49ers defense was playing prevent in the 2nd half. Hes been shut out in the 1st half of 2 different NFC Championship Games. And everyone blames the defense lmfao.

I believe we all know who that is.

So as long as you're talking about wanting proof, allow me to reiterate: What evidence do you actually have that Gute's story or ARod's story is not exactly true and correct?

And if you're saying that Gute is telling the truth and Rodgers is not, how on earth does that support the weird claim that 'the truth is in the middle?'

The AR clowns get played since 10 years and they dont get it. No wonder you can never be crazy enought to got fans..........and sport is the minor problem

Are you sure?

Sometimes you do not have to say or write that. It is enough to just block Brian Gutekunst number on his phone. Another way to say "Lose my number!".

😉I was joking…sorta

ARod, I've got your number
I need to make you mine
ARod don't change your number
867-5309...

yes he did.....just in a different way!

the full truth doesn't always come out. AR is a Packer legacy & the Packers are going to be reluctant to trash him publicly when in just a few years his name will be put on the ring of honor, and introduced to the Packer Hall of Fame. If we really knew what has transpired over the years behind the scenes I don't think anyone would be supporting AR. When Murphy a few years ago stated "don't be the problem." When TT said "he is an interesting individual" screams a lot to me having worked in corporate management. People will see what they want to see and nothing will ever change their minds.

"A lie can travel miles before the truth even gets its boots on."

The truth might eventually catch up, but lots of damage will have been done by then.

Wow. Pretty much sums everything up nicely.

Croat, the last two sentences in the article:

"This is a complicated man and a complicated situation. Thank goodness it’s finally reaching its conclusion."

For the NYJ and NY Media and NYJ fans, it is just beginning.

KTSOOY,

Ted Thompson wanted to retire 2 years (2016) before he was allowed due to his overall health satuts. Mark Murphy was not allow that. He tried again in 207 and finally got that in 2018.

"We are not idiots" showed little respect and compasion with very ill person who was carrying Packers football operations on his back. Mark Murphy made this mess over heavy ill Ted Thompson. And when Ted Thompson finally was allowed to retire, he got all the strings in his hands. Just to make another huge mess. This all has his stamp on it!

"Love" : )