"The Packers head coach has no answers as to why the offense is nothing more than stale bread."

Cory hit on a lot of key things IMO but this is something I keep hearing on Podcasts, other articles on the internet, really ANYWHERE I read or listen Packers content. MLF has no answers, he doesn't have a clue, he has no idea, how to fix this offense. This is the type of thing I get from everybody everywhere.

Yes, the Packers are young, historically young at the WR/TE positions. The O-Line has more leaks in it than the homeless man in a Maytag Box in Downtown Los Angeles. The BEST O-Linemen, WR, and RB have missed almost the entire season. And lastly, we all KNEW it was going to be tough sledding thus year.

But MLF was supposed to be a GURU. Hell, lets forget about the whole "Guru" thing, he's the HC of the Green Bay Packers. He's supposed to have SOME answer right? He doesn't, and I for one am tired of hearing "It's 100% on me". We hear it from LaFleur after every loss, after every poor performance, after EVERYTHING.

WRs running the wrong routes. The offense making drive killing mental mistakes with penalties. The defense, while playing good enough to win in most cases, still can't make the critical stop when they need to the MOST. This is ALL on the coaching. They have to be able to teach these young men and it's clear they can't.

My concern now isn't 2023. It's ALL on 2024. What the hell is going to happen NEXT season, Murphy's last season as Team President. Does he roll with MLF and Gute through NEXT year too and chalk 2023 up to "Growing Pains?

UGH!!!!!!!!!!!!

Personally I don't see this team winning until POSSIBLY week 14 against the Giants. They'd be 2-11 and be positioning themselves to take either Harrison or (Gulp) Drake Maye, the QB from North Carolina. But what I know without a DOUBT, is I don't want LaFleur or his staff coming anywhere close to any top 5 pick and I don't think I want Gute making the pick either.

Common Mark, it's TIME to make the change back to the GM running the TEAM. You can go play owner, just stay the fuck away from the Packers team, coaches, and ANYTHING to do with the product on the field. Start looking at the 49ers and Ravens front office and figure out who you can possibly hire as your next GM. Then, get the hell out of the way.

As I have said before what the Packers need to do is make Rich Bisaccia the Head Coach and MLF the OC. This team is not functioning as a team. They need a HC that can gel them together and marry the offensive plan to the defensive plan. Love needs an OC and play caller that can spend time with him. MLF probably does not have the time to spend with Love with all the HC duties.

You are spot on that we need to stop talking about starting Clifford. Clifford is a rookie and we have him under contract for 3 more years. We need to start McGough. He is a PS player and we need to see if we might want to keep him. Let's see what he can do. He can be no worse than Love.

They need to play Wicks more. The guy seems to get open and he catches very good. I would like to see them trade Watson being as he is always in the tub. I am afraid they will be lucky to get a late 6th for him.

They need to shake up the OL. What they are doing is not working. Let's find the 5 best guys.

I would like to see MLF go to a simpler offense. 20 plays. 10 runs & 10 pass plays. Practice & execute these 20 plays to almost perfection. Execute precision blocking pass & run to almost perfection. Build individual and team confidence. I don't care if everyone in the stadium & TV knows what plays the Packers are running. Perform to damn near perfection. Execute, execute, execute.
Damn tough to stop perfection & execution with a confidence team.
MLF needs to get away from this "Entertaiment style" to execution & perfection. A play does not work one week, MLF throws it out and designs another. Work on what you have. The clueless entertainment fan hasn't an idea about the fundamentals. Quit playing to that shallowness.

Plain and simple, these are the highs and the lows of a young QB playing. They look great for a series and will bomb the next. They will look great one game and be average at best the next.

The problem in GB is we don't only have a young QB, but also have young WR's and young TE's. Their most veteran player on offense has missed more games then he has played. He finally got back on the field Sunday and clearly was held to a pitch count.

One reason why LaFleur doesn't have answers is because there hasn't consistently been the same problems. One game is this, next game its that. These are all the growing pains with a young team. And not just a young team, an injured team. The offenses top 2 playmakers have missed a lot of time. That hasn't helped. The OL has dealt with injuries.
There is a lot going on.

"This team needs to find some urgency and excitement"

This is exactly what this team needs. They need to find something to hang their hat on and feel good about. Whatever it is one thing they can start to look at is their 2nd half performances. Knowing they are capable. They scored 17 points in the 2nd half. If they score 10 points in the first half they put up a good game score. They need the urgency. I feel like they play that with in the 2nd half, just not in the first.

I am getting the feeling that this team is going to burst on the scene sooner then later. I have nothing to go by but a gut feeling. Hopefully its this week against the Vikings.

Your wrong Cory- IT IS LOVE’s Fault!
I’m going to point right at Rodger’s vs LOVE.

Rodger’s had this same OL.
The difference is LT! Tom was 1st then etc.
Jenkins had to play LG. But with his injuries.
Tonyan gets moved. Still this OL is the same OL!
But the change is LT. Tom is the bigger future at RT.
IT might be grooming for a bigger roll.

The Wrs are next- These are the same WRs Loved worked with.
Rodgers had Cobb and Lazard. But he was expected
To pass to the rookies.

Next TE- Rodgers didn’t have the Rookies.
Lewis was his choice. Tonyan was a ?
Love has enough choices at TE to
Move the sticks. Having them block doesn’t help
The route running.

Rbs- Your wasting time with Dillion.
He might be good for 4 yards.
But the run to daylight isn’t there.
MLF is wrong not to try someone else.
This will be Gute’s next mistake in the coming draft.

So the offense really isn’t that bad.
It’s Love.!!! His reactions have regressed.
He’s to slow and his confidence is gone.
The packers must give Clifford a shot.
It might just be the shot in the arm they need.

"But this offense is more concerned about not making a mistake as opposed to progressing and getting better."

If you concentrate on not making mistakes instead of just executing your assignments, all you're going to do is make mistakes.

Practice, practice, practice! The bargaining agreement is hardest for young teams because it hardly lets them practice all together. Walkthroughs don't help real time timing and unexpected circumstances. The individual drills we see them always doing are for warmups, training camp and guys coming off injuries.

MLF takes the blame because to do otherwise would throw the real problem under the bus. Lets face it, so far Love ain't it. His inaccuracy and indecision is at the core of what is wrong with the Packers offense. The last few games MLF has been dialing down the complexity and trying to give Love some easy throws to get his confidence back. The problem is that the NFL is full of sharks that start feeding frenzies when they see a weakness. We've all seen other teams in this position with bad QB's, now it's us. My advice to MLF is to run the offense and let Love sink or swim, either he can develop into a franchise QB, or he can't. It's no crime to miss on QB draft choices, but it is misguided to pretend he's the guy if he isn't. Let's really find out.

LaFleur had a 13-4 season in ‘21 he can do it again this year. Run the table and bring the Trophy back home. I’m optimistic. Young coach and team will pull it together this week.

A lot of truths here but let's not forget how bad Manning and Rodgers were in their first starting seasons. I don't like Lafleur's play calling either. Always seems to go right back to Dillon after he breaks one. He's the #2 changeup back, Jones is #1. And he's gone too simple to eliminate mistakes. Love will never learn to read coverages if he doesn't throw downfield. Hey, we were one play away from winning 3 of those close games and that's a miracle considering all of the injuries.

Stay the course. We're close. Slight improvements in coaching, intensity, OL play, receiver routes, QB reads and defensive stops and this team is 6-1. The bye week was about rust and thin air. Look for a blowout of the Vikes on Sunday.

Weren't you surprised how the Vikings' D-line dominated the 49ers O-line? Even saw Lowery make some plays! WTF????

MLF better have watched and thought of some answers.

We have a QB that is proving himself a career back up at best. He does not see the field; he cannot make the throws. the coaching is atrocious. our plays seem to prefer running east and west rather than north and south. the plays just are badly designed. we are quite clearly the worst team in the nfl, only carolina is left to contest us on that matter and after the raiders and bronco games i would bet on the panthers. and what is most inexcusable is just quite not showing up to play ball, so poorly prepared; it seems as if the opposing team has our offensive script memorized, so utterly predictable we are by peronnel package. i have now given my tickets away for the viking game after watching kirk cousins make the 49er D look like the Packer D

"But this offense is more concerned about not making a mistake as opposed to progressing and getting better.

Thats a direct reflection of the Coach. Wait a minute that is the coach!

Based on MLF's recent responses to his and his team's performance and his lackadaisical/uninspired game planning/play calling......he's not going anywhere....his job is secure.... at least for this year. This is the soundtrack of an "evaluation of player/scheme", young team on a learning curve, "we gotta find the right" (fill in the blank here) throwaway year.....MLF, Gutey and Murphy are all on the same page with this plan.

I don't see there being any changes at HC this season and it's hard to imagine MLF handing play calling over (maybe Clements?!) However, I could see there being some changes with the OC, OL coaches possibly later in the year...... Steno and Butkus are both better when Steno is the OL coach....he needs to do what he does best for the Pack. BTW, no other team is going hire him as an OC. As for his replacement OC, Tom Clements is the only current staffer with any OC experience (Bills early 2000's)...which is kinda scary. My prediction is MLF is not going anywhere this year but if the 2024 team looks no different than what we're seeing today and this squad has not drastically improved on all levels......he'll won't be to see the end of the 2024 season.

Remember when people were asking whether LaFleur was a product of having Rodgers at QB? There was a split in the base, but after a couple of years together, and continued failure in the playoffs, that Rodgers wasn't executing LaFleur's offense, and too often calling audibles, changing the play. There were some posters who were eager to see Love follow the LaFleur offensive scheme. Sure, there would be growing pains, but the team would quickly return to contention with a lot of misdirection, and "move the chains" offense. Now, the team has a coach who openly admits he is baffled. A new QB who is regressing, an OL that doesn't have its best players on the field, and a DC who has returned to his instincts, and plays soft when the other team is on the five yard line. There needs to be an attitude adjustment on this team. They need to start playing with toughness, determination and urgency. In short, they need to believe their coaches know what they're doing. And that would mean a clean sweep. Evaluate the coaches, and, at a minimum, see if Stenavich would go back to what he does best- working with the OL. The rest? Other than Bisaccia, everyone should be on the chopping block.

Through the first 6 games the defense has played well enough for the Packers to win 4 of the games. Based on the defensive play alone the Packers should be 4-2 instead of 2-4. The defense has deserved a better fate in the last 2 games.

With Rodgers gone and Aaron Jones and Bak out with the injuries the Packers best players are now on the defensive side of the football. Specifically Clark, Gary, Preston Smith and Alexander. Rasul Douglas and Quay Walker have played very well so far this season. This is what the Packers have to build upon so far this season. Having said that I don't like how the Packers play defense. IMO, they need to be more aggressive and they need to play their DBs closer to the LOS. They also need to have more than 2 DLs on the LOS. These are coaching decisions which Barry needs to make and the sooner the better.

The offense is in a state of disarray. With Jones injured and Watson out again they have played most of this season without their 2 best weapons. The OL has been mostly ineffective and that again is on coaching decisions. Tom should be at Center, Walker at RT and Nijman at LT. Why this hasn't happened or at least been tried yet is beyond me. I don't know what the coaches are expecting to happen differently by repeatedly putting Myers at C, and Walker at LT. The receiving corps is young and poorly coached which makes for poor route running and ineffective run blocking, They have a long way to go.

Then there is Love. I don't know what the coaching staff has been doing with him for the previous 3 seasons but it doesn't look like they have helped him with his mechanics or have prepared him to play at all. What is the point of the off seasons workouts, OTAs and preseason plays if they haven't seen and corrected his issues with throwing the long ball. Love's timing and accuracy are both way off. His reading the defense and his decision making is to too slow and he should be beyond that in his 4th season in the league. The game is too fast for him and compounded with the team's injuries, poor OL play, bad coaching decisions he looks lost out there except for a few drives in the second half of games which are too little too late.

This team has been built by Gute beginning with the 2020 draft selection of Jordan Love. Bak, Aaron Jones and Kenny Clark are the only holdovers from the TT era. While he has done OK with the defense he has failed badly with the offense. The OL except for Jenkins is nothing special, the receiving room is visually empty at WR and TE. Doubs and Musgrave provide some hope for the future but with Watson injured there is not much else there. After Jones the RB group is average at best. And at best the QB, Love, is a work in progress with a long way to go if he makes it all. I'm beginning to understand why Murphy said that we'll know what we have in Love halfway through the season.

At least STs have held up their end thanks to Anders Carlson. However, they have yet to make a game changing play in either the return or coverage games. They are not costing games and they are not helping to win games at this point.

I just have no explanation for what the coaches are doing especially on offense. After 5 seasons in the league MLF doesn't seem to have any answers to get the team moving in a positive direction. I thought that Clements would have been a help to Love but it doesn't seem to be there.

The team lacks leadership and confidence. I have yet to see any player emerge as a leader on thefield for the players to rally around. In particular Love and the offense don't seem to have any confidence at all especially early in games. Why? Again what are the coaches doing about it?

Will it turn around on any level this week against a Vikings team coming off a solid win against the 49ers while the Packers have lost their last 2 games to the Raiders and the Broncos? Teams which were a combined 2-9 when the Packers played them. Will playing a division opponent at home get the Packers motivated to play 4 quarters of NFL football? Maybe the Vikings have a let down after their big win against SF?

Bottom line start with the OL. If that doesn't get fixed nothing else will get better for the offense. The defense will continue to try to keep the team in the game. Will the coaching staff come up with anything to put a spark into the team or will we have the same questions and even more at this time next week?
Thanks, Since '61

Look closely at offensive 3rd downs all season..the money downs!
Defenses know to only rush 4 and drop 7. No blitzing play zone Love will throw inaccurately downfield. At least 6 times last Sunday Love had multiple receivers open on 3 down to get the 1st and he choose to go deep and not convert. Keep chucking it downfield with ur 53% completion percentage…and you will not win another game!

What the Packers don't have that most young QBs need is a WR/RB/TE who runs good routes and knows how to get open so that young QB isn't always throwing into contested windows. Favre had Sharpe, ARod had Jennings and Driver...yes, fans end up bitching about how so-and-so is always locking in on so-and-so, but that kind of security blanket allows a young QB to catch up to the speed of the NFL game and learn how to start reading the rest of the field.

What's the closest thing they have right now? It's starting to look like Dontayvion Wicks is the closest thing to that kind of "knows how to get open" WR, but he's very green, too. It could be Jones out of the backfield.

I'll point to what bjorn said above: rookie WR are far more advanced now than they were just 5 years ago. At this point, they need to find things that work and beat them into the ground.

The Packers are in "baby steps" mode. They need to start finding things they can hang their hats on and build out from there.

I’d love to hear an opposing DC explain what it’s like to defend GB. I’d imagine there isn’t much to fear, and their inexperience translates to them not being versatile or multiple enough to keep them guessing. I’d also expect to hear that a bend but don’t break approach might also work. Just wait for them to make drive killing mistakes.

I’d also love to hear MLF HONESTLY explain if the miscues are due to inexperience (receivers? ) or just simply not being good enough (Josh Myers?) as players.

Not saying I have any answers, but those are my questions.

“Why hasn’t the tight end been stressed more? “…

Because the 1st two in line are Soo young and as they say it takes two to three years for rookie tight ends to really learn the game… and MLF doesn’t trust them?… as he doesn’t trust anyone on offense this year?…

Put in Clifford, can't hurt to see what he has to offer. One God damn thing is sure, he can't do any worse.

I am hoping on two possible outcomes. Outcome 1 is that Lafleur shows that he is really an offensive guru. However that is probably a drunken dream. Outcome 2 is that we really get blown out. First by the Vikes next week ( hate that I am saying this - but their D last night and offense last night were both pretty good especially against a team like San Fran) - we will probably lose by 4 scores. The only way that Lafleur and the boys get their butt kicked out at the end of the year is if we lose the rest of our games. That being said - I believe that there is enough talent on the team for a creative coach to take over. I also believe that Love has all the tools and he is being missused by the big TOOL. And while I am at it - isnt the refereeing absolutely horrible this year - especially on PI. Last nights game - phatom PI and then a lot of no calls on obvious ones. And the Colts should have beaten the Browns except for bad calls. Given the amount of money on gambling shouldnt these crappy calls be at least reviewed if they cant call it right off the hop.

Watching the Pack the last few games is tough. Kinda like having to kiss your Grandma. Better than no affection at all, but could do without...

Sometimes I wish I wasn't Grandma's favorite...she seems to put a little extra into the sMaCk.

I digress, carry the G fans until our team can take it from us and carry it a while.

*I like Coach LaF as a guy you could play cribbage with over a few libations. But, I want to see how he looks in that Forrest Gregg snarl...I kinda miss it. Lindy Infante looked good in those cowboy boots too.

Peace and carrots,

Burp

I looked over their remaining schedule today and the best I see for them is 4-13. As bad as the offense is right now I don't see them winning more than once or twice more, maybe not at all. Any way you shake it the Packers will likely be within the possibility of draft picks in the 2-8 range. If they look realistically at the situation with Jordan Love, he's only signed through 2024. If one of the top QB's is available, Williams from USC or Maye from North Carolilna the Packers should jump on it. But Gute and MLF would have to admit that Love might not work out. Either way, if Love comes around then you have a good problem. On Bill Michael's program he pointed out that Love hasn't fixed the accuracy and deep ball issues he had in college. They have to use the draft position to fix a big problem one way or another. Love would be a decent backup QB but he's not the flag carrier, at least the early returns are showing as much.

If they can't land a top QB, then Marvin Harrison, Jr. at Ohio State would be a nice consolation prize. Harrison is likely to be the next great wide receiver in the NFL.

All speculation but the bad season gives the Packers a chance to do what the Lions have done: use the position to make the team better in key positions.

"Douglas is 100 percent right. This is the worst loss of the young season. It’s especially frustrating for the defense, because they played well enough to win."

The defense did not play well enough to win. They are same defense we have seen the last 3 years under Barry. They cannot stop the run and they give up points at the end of halves and at the end of games when we are in the lead. The defense gave up 145 yards on the ground and 5.8 yards per carry. You call that good enough to win? They also gave up the winning FG after we went up 17-16.

Just because this defense only gave up 19 points does not mean they played well. Oh and they gave up 19 points to one of the worst offenses in the NFL.

Nice guys don't get paid.

Like the Lions game, I would anticipate a strong Viking caravan staking out what was formerly known as Titletown. I couldn't believe the bullsh*t hype from media and fans alike last week pertaining to the rubbish about how we'll take out the Broncos AND the Vikings!

"Dragon5
October 09, 2023 at 10:45 pm

Gulp, CurdNation, you ain't seen nothing yet. Futility encore is coming week 7. Two weeks to prepare and get right / healthy...against the NFL's worst defense. If you remove the MIA 70pt drubbing, Broncos still spotting 28 / game."

For those unfamiliar with the fable "The Emperor's New Clothes," get acquainted below.

"Two swindlers arrive at the capital city of an emperor who spends lavishly on clothing at the expense of state matters. Posing as weavers, they offer to supply him with magnificent clothes that are invisible to those who are stupid or incompetent. The emperor hires them, and they set up looms and go to work. A succession of officials, and then the emperor himself, visit them to check their progress. Each sees that the looms are empty but pretends otherwise to avoid being thought a fool.

Finally, the weavers report that the emperor's suit is finished. They mime dressing him and he sets off in a procession before the whole city. The townsfolk uncomfortably go along with the pretense, not wanting to appear inept or stupid, until a child blurts out that the emperor is wearing nothing at all. The people then realize that everyone has been fooled. Although startled, the emperor continues the procession, walking more proudly than ever."

When the pain exceeds the desire to change, change will occur.

Anyone that isn’t a fair weather fan is just gonna have to be patient with the Packers. Love isn’t going to be benched, nor should he be. He’s got lots of improvements to make, but he also has lots of time left to get it done. This season is about developing and evaluating Love, not Sean Clifford, so just get over it. If Love doesn’t work out in the end, he will have cost the Packers very little money and they won’t sign any big contract for him. This is just how it goes in the NFL. GB drafts and develops, everyone knows this; and right now they’re developing everyone on offense except Aaron Jones. They are seemingly going to make absolutely no changes to the offensive line no matter how beat up they get, and we all just have to accept that. Anyone demanding for everyone to be fired will likely need to wait until at least 2025 for that to happen. In the meantime, I’m gonna continue to root for the guys that are on the field every week and hope they can get out of this rut. Go Pack Go!

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You say that Sean Clifford is not very good, based on his college performance.
Some guys just play different IE: better / worse when they get to the pros.
Love was a first round pick, and we moved up to get him, no less.
Well he’s looked terrible in the pros, so why can’t Clifford get a shot?
They’re going to extend Randy Wright, we Rich Campbell,…Jordan Love… and guarantee an era of mediocrity. So we probably will never see Clifford. It would make Gute look stupid(er) if he plays well.