Ok young team 13 games into the season…but do they have to look this $hity and regress back this far? Taylor doesn’t get OB after doing the same thing and getting instructed last week, you have to play with a brain. Muff a punt and don’t smoother it? Got to play coverage and mug the guy with your hands? Etc. Etc.

At what point does the accountability culture kick in…13 games in and this team isn’t learning? And who drives accountability and culture….the coaching staff! Weak sauce 😢

7 on 11 doesn't work.

We can blame poor play calling, STs blunders, the D not defending and the QB/youngsters not executing. All had their part, that's true.

It was the veteran O-line that got pushed around and lost that game.

awful coaching on every level, how the hell does MLF challenge that catch right in front of him?

"This game just proved that changes need to be made in the offseason. "

LOL, this is the Green Bay Packers.

Murph will be back to collect all the accolades before his retirement.

Gute will draft a defensive player in round 1 to be wasted playing for a worthless Defensive Coordinator.

MLF will get a bewildered look while his Special Teams and Defense underperform.

Bisaccia and Barry will be back to coordinate their underperforming units.

Love will continue to improve along with the young offensive weapons only to be undone by the D and STs.

We do what we do.

Giants did not stun the Packers. They may have stunned a bunch of HOMERS, lulled into wishful thinking the 2 prior weeks was the new reality but this was just a game of who they are.... mediocre. From coaching to starters to the bench. Talent is light and the play against the Giants was lighter.
Yes they are young but that excuse don't win NFL games. We can cry " we are building or rebuilding" but we said that every year in the 70s and 80s. Point is until we get some real play makers (talent) this is the reality for the foreseeable future.

Joe Barry has to go! NO SACKS on the most sacked QB in the league! 200+ yards on the ground again! He is the worst DC in the league given the quality of talent he has to work with!

No Creativity again on other side of the ball.

They looked like a team that just beat 2 of the best teams in the NFL and played down to the opposing team. Love looked like he reverted to the beginning of the season as did the receivers.

It was just so hard to watch them not play up to the caliber they had been playing at for the last 5 weeks.

Go Pack Go!!!

I don't think the roster is that far away, even with injuries.
The difference between the 1's & 2's isn't significant at most skill positions anyway.
The difference this week was, in no order:
- effort
- execution
- play calling offensively - " . . . can I get one more end around for my friends here?" mlf after the game to the giants' fans
- total scheme defensively - we should have stacked the box, stopped the run and forced the weak qb and wr group to beat us
- terrible ST's execution
- HC seemed lost again - 'nuff said
Similar to, but opposite of last week when we played great complimentary football.
This week's poor performances by all units complimented each other.
Hard to watch, like watching October game re-runs.
GPG!

Just heard the coaches remarks following the game…
The reporters at the presser aren’t asking the questions I would ask: “Matt, you mentioned that you were out coached and outplayed. If your coaches aren’t doing the job, have you planned any repercussions?

Or: Coach, I noticed that you sat Nixon after his fumble, and Reed took over return duties. It appears that you were holding him accountable for his errors. How will you hold Joe Berry accountable for his lack of performance at the end of games?”

This loss should be pinned on Jordan Love.
He choked and this time;
the team couldn’t pick up the pieces.
Mlf was forced to take the ball out of his hands.
It not only explains the trick plays and Reed
running the ball.
But the running game as well.
The Giants dared him to throw.
Let's not dodge around the problem.
Unless Jordan Loves accuracy improves.
Forget the playoffs.

I'm beginning to believe that Matt LaFleur is not head coach material. I'm not sure that LaFleur is even worthwhile as an offensive coordinator calling plays. It's beginning to look like Aaron Rodgers and Davante Adams and Nathaniel Hackett as offensive coordinator did make most of the winning difference the first three years of Matt LaFleur as head coach.

It's difficult to judge Love because, maybe, he's been so badly trained. In any case, I'm beginning to have real doubts about Love being a starting quarterback in the pros let alone as a potential hall-of-famer. What could the Packers get for Love in a trade?

It's possible that Matt LaFleur has only one more year to prove himself. In any event, like some others have said, I think the team is stuck with him for at least one more year.

The Packers appear to be without strong leadership. No one seems in charge.

First of all the Packers stunned their fans being un prepared on offense and defense to play a team that won a whopping 4 games and had a back up QB no one heard of before.
Second, Bary should have had his D ready to play another running QB and failed to change his defense because he defensive players arent bright enough to play more then one defense.
Third. Jordan Love has shown he lacks consistency and cannot make the deep passes needed in todays game. Other teams know how to defend him by bull rushing and playing the corners up close to stop the short game knowing the long game isnt anything to worry about.
Fourth, LeFleur has a minimal offensive scheme using some plays over and over even when they arent working.
He is trying to say "poor me I dont have a running game so I need tricks".
This was a god awful attempt at football. The team that showed up didnt pass rush, block, catch well, run well or kick well. There are zero play makers on this team. No one to step up and carry the load.

All three phases. Jordan Love had two first-half turnovers and the Packers offense finished 2-for-5 scoring touchdowns in the red zone. The defense gave up over 200 yards rushing and didn’t have a sack or takeaway against a third-string rookie quarterback. And the special teams lost a fumble and missed a field goal. It’s probably a minor miracle that the Packers actually led 7-0 in the first quarter, 10-7 at half and 22-21 late in the fourth quarter because they made all the mistakes necessary in all three phases to lose the football game decisively. This was the Packers’ worst performance overall since pre-Halloween against the Vikings.
The final drive. The Packers needed one stop against Tommy DeVito — an undrafted free agent rookie making his fourth career start — to escape New York with an ugly win. But Joe Barry’s defense couldn’t provide it. DeVito calmly completed four consecutive passes for 53 yards, including the back-breaking 32-yarder to Wan’Dale Robinson against Keisean Nixon’s coverage that got the Giants down to the 22-yard line. It was as easy as a game-winning drive could be. The Giants completed four uncontested passes, ran three times, lined up for the field goal and knocked it through. For the fifth time this season, the Packers gave up a second-half lead and lost. And for the fourth time, the Packers took a second-half lead and immediately gave it up on the ensuing defensive possession.

How is Patrick Taylor not getting more carries? Taylor averaging 5.1 yards per carry to Dillons 3.5 on the season, and 7.5 to 3.5 during the game last night. Dillon is not a feature back; he's a change of pace guy who should not get more than about 8 carries a game. Need more speed hitting the hole at RB. The WR end arounds and jet sweeps are only effective when used sparingly, not as your bread and butter run game.

Basiccia hasn't had a top 10 ST unit since 2017. Last year 22nd. This year currently around 28th in DVOA. His career average ranking is 14th. Most ST penalties in the league currently. He is the highest paid ST coordinator and is not earning that paycheck.

I won't even touch the defense. We all know what needs to happen.

If I hear LaFleaur say "we were out-coached" one more time I'm going to lose my mind. That's not something you publicly admit, even if it's true. How does that instill confidence in your guys? Can you imagine Lombardi saying that in a press conference?

How is Patrick Taylor not getting more carries? Taylor averaging 5.1 yards per carry to Dillons 3.5 on the season, and 7.5 to 3.5 during the game last night. Dillon is not a feature back; he's a change of pace guy who should not get more than about 8 carries a game. Need more speed hitting the hole at RB. The WR end arounds and jet sweeps are only effective when used sparingly, not as your bread and butter run game.

Basiccia hasn't had a top 10 ST unit since 2017. Last year 22nd. This year currently around 28th in DVOA. His career average ranking is 14th. Most ST penalties in the league currently. He is the highest paid ST coordinator and is not earning that paycheck.

I won't even touch the defense. We all know what needs to happen.

Who will be running those sweeps next week? Heath or Toure?

Too soon?

It is written that if you turn the ball over twice in a game, you'll lose 60% of the time. 3 turnovers and it jumps to about 75%, and four turnovers puts you at 90%. We had two fumbles and an interception. We also had a missed FG, which is essentially a turnover. The Packers are not a good enough team to have multiple turnovers on the road and win. Most teams aren't. It's too deep of a hole.

My opinion that returning kicks and punts hurts you more than it helps you remains unchanged. Fair catch, get the bottom of the roster off the field, put your offense on the field. It helps avoid penalties and injuries. Returning is a losing proposition.

We're playing Day 3 rookies at both corners, we're on the road, we turn it over 4 times, and we give up 24 points. Clearly, there is no word that could overstate the ineptitude of the defense, although many here have tried. The defense has to hold teams under 20, regardless, for us to have a chance to win. That said, I was really disappointed with the defense on the game-winning drive. I mean, you've been stopping these guys all night and when we really needed the stop to win the game, the defense just dissolved. I haven't been able to study that last drive so I can't say for certain what happened.

Water under the bridge. Four more games. Win and we're in. We've been our own toughest opponent. And we've lost guys on offense to injury: Jones, Watson, Musgrave. Those guys make a difference on the scoreboard.

The good news is that even though we had all those turnovers, we still scored 22 points. Minus the turnovers and we have this baby in bed well before the gun sounds. IF we can win 2 of the next 3 games...against Carolina, Tampa, and Minnesota, then we'll be 8-8 when we close out the season at home against the Bears.

Regardless of what happens for the rest of this season, I'd say 2024 looks really good.

Maybe we anointed Love as the next Aaron Rodgers a little too soon. Think we could trade Love for DeVito.

I have a question for the "Fire Everybody" crowd.

When is the last time a team has moved on from their long time, multiple MVP, 1st ballot HOF QB, and turn it over to a first time starting QB throwing to the most inexperienced receiver/TD group in the last 20 years or so, lost their pro bowl left tackle, best running back, along with a multitude of other significant injuries....and are still in the playoff hunt after 13 games?

Maybe something to ponder before the "house cleaning" that so many are clamoring for commences.

Dear naysayers,

This is largely the same team that upended the Lions at home and Kansas City in Green Bay, sans Watson, Quay Walker, Jaire, Musgrave and Jones.

The difference in this game was a poor defensive strategy to deal with the Giants, especially Tommy Cutlets. MLF knew they were going to blitz Love, yet left him dangling. If Carlson makes a make-able field goal it's a Packers victory.

Reality is this team is going nowhere but home after Jan. 7. Isn't that what we all thought going into the season? 2024 was going to be the coming out party for this team after yet another good draft in April.

Your vinegar is wasted because this is all there is THIS YEAR. It isn't out of the question to win three more games and finish over .500.

Enjoy being a Packers fan,

Harry Hodag

Something that Aikman and Buck commented on really caught my attention. That was their wondering why the Packers were rotating their OL on a regular basis at LT and RG. The two seemed really puzzled by this, as you would think that at this point in the season, unless there is an injury, the OL should be set. Did anyone else hear that? And why would they do that, if not for injury reasons?

...Giants may have wrecked the Packers postseason plans. Well, they are the youngest team in the league. They are still trying to figure out how they need to play consistent football. The coaches don't seem to understand time management and how to play possession football. So I would say the Giants didn't wreck their playoff plans, more like the Packers don't know how to play football in order to make the playoffs.
JMHO

We knew this was going to be a tough season but I didn’t expect it to be an embarrassing one. This “young” team may be athletic but I don’t think they are real smart or MLF sucks at teaching young plays the basics on football. J Love also makes high school grade football mistakes.

Cory, this loss by no means knocks GB out of playoff contention.

It's also incorrect to claim that GB "didn't produce any pressure." DeVito only scrambled because he was pressured. GB created LOTS of pressure, but 0 sacks. And DeVito continued to make plays both with his arm and legs. How much of that is due to QB improvement, GB lack of sill / effort, or JB scheme is difficult for me to assess. I think all 3 had a role.

"Pay the Man".....well, maybe lets allow this season to play out first...PUMP THE BRAKES!!

The Giants didnt stun anyone here....the packers decided to play down to their level and abandoned the things that gave them the three game win streak. Turnovers......unacceptable. None the past three games and three last night. Not protecting the ball is what bad teams do...and why they lose. Love was out of sorts, last TD pass aside. He is fortunate there was only one pick. two or three other balls ended up dangerously close to being thrown to the guys in the blue jerseys Defense rushing four and five, not only didnt get home, they continuously ran right past the house. The kid Devito looked more like a pro bowler courtesy of some poor line play and a miserable night for coverage. The giants offense mustered 24 points, three times the paltry 8 pipg they've been averaging at home. Do we have a lot of guys banged up? You bet, but the guys we had out there are better than anyone the giants had out there. This is a game we should have one, it wouldnt have been a rout, but we should have won by eight or nine points Lets get back on track and beat the Bucs GOPACKGO!!

I'd say The Packers stunned The Packers by playing as boneheaded as they possibly could on all facets including coaching decisions and play calls

If the object of every season is to win the super bowl then let’s look at some of the HCs that have done that: Shula, Lombardi, Shanahan, Gruden, Belicheck, Landry, Harbaugh, Dungy, Parcells, Carroll, Holmgren, Stram, Madden, Vermeil, Walsh and others. They all ran precision mistake free teams that rarely laid eggs in big games.
I was fooled by a lousy three game winning streak. I won’t let that happen again.
We are in year five. The product put out on the field is not good enough. Youth? No excuse.. the Houston Texans blow that excuse up, with a rookie HC no less.
I’m sure that MLF can deliver a few 10 win seasons with J Love, and maybe a wildcard round win. I don’t see him ever getting past that. He can’t pick a staff, seems to be more unfocused than the players in big spots, and can’t seem to correct mistakes. We came out flat all the time last year too. With a HOF QB.
I guess it doesn’t matter because the GB front office seems drunk on MLF kool aid. He’s not even as good as McCarthy. MM seems much better now that Kellen Moore is gone.
We whiffed on the HC. Aaron Rodgers & Davonte Adams covered that up for three years. I know one thing , if the Packers ever play the Giants for the NFC Championship.. we’re going home. MLF will never beat Brian Daboll.
It’s like we’re just wasting our time thinking after 5 years MLF will magically transform into one of the best , and super bowl winning HC.

Well, at least there's this:
In 2022, we flew 3953 miles to get upset by the Giants; this year it was only 796.
The Szotman

Daboli is never taking the giants to a championship game without tickets and a party bus After the Giants dump Daniel Jones, Daboli will be next. Chicken cutlet Devito and his pin striped agent Don Corleone will tease the Giants fan base for a season or two, causing the Demise of whoever follows Daboli

I think the expectations from fans on this Packers team, youngest in the NFL, is a bit high. I predicted 7 wins going into the season and it looks like possibly 8 maybe 9. Of course they will have bad games, every NFL team does. Patience...

I don't think the "Monday Night Football" moment was too big for Love. And he doesn't really seem to get rattled, although it would be good to see him act like he is a little more fired up than he shows since he is supposed to be the leader of our team. Mahommes does that really well.

I don't know who the Packers QB coach is, but Loves footwork fundamentals hurt him with his throwing accuracy. When you are falling backwards while you are throwing, the ball is going to be high. Like most of his bad throws all year. I would guess he learned this from Rodgers, who could make a great throw from any angle and later in his career he was throwing everything off his back foot. AR could get away with it because he could close his eyes and drop it on a dime. All quarterbacks now have to throw from all angles and Love has some talent at this skill. But with the right coaching he could be way better. Other than the close losses and injuries, we have alot to be happy with in how he has developed this year. He is still essentially a "Rookie" starting QB in the NFL and we shouldn't forget that.

Also being at .500 with a chance at the playoffs this late in the year with the youngest team in the NFL, our all-pro OT not playing all year, our best RB out for basically the whole year so far, and the other injuries we have had, not a bad year really. Still in the hunt was more than was predicted.

GB has willingly given themselves a huge handicap by continuing to employ a terrible Defensive Coordinator. With the talent he has been given, he has woefully underperformed. It is shocking we have won as many as we have with him. With the speed that the NFL owners dump head coaches, you would think Lafleur would have dumped JB 2 years ago to make his own job safer. Hopefully Joe Barry is finally done after this year is wrapped.

With another strong draft to fill our holes at OT, Safety, LB, Edge, and RB, since we will lose/trade/cut Bahk, Savage, Campbell, P Smith, and Jones/Dillon, will really makes us stronger and younger. Not to mention almost healed financially. Next year could look really bright for us.

GO PACK GO!!!!

Leatherhead made a great point earlier about returning kicks. It is a real bonus if you have a good returner and we do have one in Nixon. But that play lost the game for us. We could have overcame everything else we shot ourselves with, but that is a triple whammy in that it changes momentum, gives the other team great field position, and throws our defense back on the field after a big 3 and out.

I don't know what the stats show on how many actual kicks that are returned end up getting called back for block in the back penalties, but I would be shocked if it is less than 50%. When you add in the injury factor it almost makes no sense to return any kicks. It sure cost us Monday.

I commented on another thread about the number of kickoffs our kicker has left short of the end zone giving the opposing team opportunity to return them. I would add this to Leatherheads comment as a kickoff into the end zone is a win for special teams. Our kicker was supposed to have a really strong leg, part of the reason we wasted a draft pick on a player we could have gotten as a UFDA. I hope we bring in competition for him this offseason. I would sign Missouri kicker Harold Mevis as a priority UFDA. Really strong leg and accurate too.

It’s too much.. it’s never going to change under this regime. It’s the exact opposite feeling I get from the early Holmgren years. You knew the front office and coaching staff were in place for long term success.
We have a sub par staff and maybe a half decent front office. Nothing else matters after that.

By the way, there is no reason Sean Rhyan shouldn't be getting the bulk of the snaps @ guard. He has played way better than Runyan and the coaches need to stop this stupid platooning strategy. Rhyan is starting to show why he was so highly rated and was a 3rd round steal. Another of the Green Bay young guns.