Good points over all but just because an O Line is good at pass protection does not mean they will be a good run blocking O Line. Two totally different techniques. Good run blocking requires maulers who want to mix it up where as the pass protector can be more finesse.

Royce Newman has been a weaker link than Meyers. Both need to be replaced but that will not happen until Jenkins comes back.

Fournette would be an interesting addition and probably should have been signed when Jones first got hurt. Not sure what he is asking. It is possible he is asking more than the Pack wants or can pay.

"It isn’t fair to keep relying on the right arm of Love to bail them out. This team desperately needs a running game and if Jones’ hamstring is going to be an issue all season, the Packers need to find some answers."

Yup, they sure do. And it starts with moving Tom to Center, Nijman to RT, and for the love of God can Sean Ryhan be any worse than Newman? If Jenkins can go all the better but it starts with Meyers. He's been so BAD, his play has had made made the Packers Guards look even worse.

Combine the BAD O-Line play with the fact these WRs are still learning how to play, how to run NFL routes, and a QB who's really had just 4 starts in his NFL career, a Defense that can't stop the run, hell, 2-2 is pretty damn good. It's just not what Packers fans are used to.

A sad note....Even if the Packers wanted to fire Joe Barry, tell me who on the staff they'd replace him with? There's NO ONE on this staff since Jerry Gray up and quit who would even deserve a look. I suppose it would be Jerry Montgomery but do you really want THAT dude running your defense?

The Packers are 2-2, could have been 3-1 but just as easily 1-3. This is what growing pains look like. We just have a DC that should have NEVER been hired back for year 3 and now we have to roll with it till the seasons end.

first comment on the article - yup, balance would be nice. Lack of OL performance, injury and lack of RB performance (Im looking right at you Dillon) have made it pretty much a waste of downs to even attempt to run the football so far this season.

The lack of response to the woes of the OL is just astounding. Fans can see that Meyers and Newman are absolutely NOT getting it done. The center of the line is an absolute sieve and the tackles have suffered some as a result of the weaknesses.

The lack of any adjustments is mind-boggling.

Walker, JRJ, Tom, Rhyan, Nijman is the best combination at this time. It simply cannot be worse than trotting a couple of Jake Hanson look-a-likes out there 3and out after 3 and out.

IT
IS
TIME

for a change up front.

which brings us to comment number two...

There is absolutely no reason NOT to fire Joe Barry mid-season.

This "continuity" thing is absolute bullshit if continuity means driving good players into apathy with poorly thought out schemes that ignores players strengths in search of some schematic ideal that probably doesn't even exist.

Like Royce Newman getting benched for a relatively unknown quantity in Sean Rhyan, it just cannot be worse.

Keeping Barry is stifiling the development of the talent on defense and sends the complete wrong message about performance and accountability that NFL coaches all preach in regards to players.

That is a recipe for losing a team and a locker room and ultimately your job. I hope MLF either gets that and acts accordingly or doesnt get it and Murphy/Gutey act accordingly and dismiss our tearfully frustrated so-called Head Coach.

The O line situation is an example of why I think Gute should get as much blame for the present mediocrity as MLF and Barry. However, he seems to get a free pass from most of the Packer media.

For most of the offseason the FO was sending out signals that it was not happy with the play of Myers. So how did Gute solve this problem? Did he trade for a center? No. Does he sign a free agent center? No. OK, then, he must have drafted a center? Nope. Well, he at least picked up a veteran street FA who mavbe had a year left in the tank? Dream on. Did he do anything? Sure, they spent a couple weeks during training camp shuffling players from other positions to see if they could work and then decided they needed them elsewhere. Oh well, let’s just stick Myers back in and cross our fingers. Sounds like a plan!

The #1 issue is the late starts!
You get behind, you throw.
And thats what needs to change.
These poor starts are on everyone.
Forgetting the run if you're down.

The offense needs balance. But its not just balance in how much they run vs pass. Its balance in how they run. Its the balance in what they run.

What I mean by that is they need to have balance in the running game. They need to be able to run up the middle, inside the tackles, off tackle, and jet sweeps. They need to run counters and wide zone. They need to be balanced. One area that I think could really help them is the jet motion. Whether they hand it off or not, I think they need to get the timing better. It seems a bit off right now. If they can get the timing down it could really help open up some running lanes.

Part of the problem is that Jones has essentially missed 3 games. He was back last game but they barely played him. Also lets face it. Dillon has been average at best the last few years. He doesn't run with power, is to slow to make sudden movement changes and appears slower then he used to be.
Jones changes that when he is healthy. He can make people miss and can find the little creases to turn a 0 yard gain into 5. Now that Jones is more healthy I am expecting our running game to pick it up.

The other issue has been the OL. Losing Bakhtiari, and then Jenkins really hurt this team. And then having Runyan being hurt and this last game Tom somehow played. Getting Jenkins back will huge for the OL. I have seen so many people wanting to move Tom inside. For me I don't want to do that. I like him at RT. he has been very good there and we need to protect our edges. One change i want to see is going with Rhyan over Newman. I don't care if Newman has the experience. I would rather go with Rhyan at this point. We know what Newman is. He is an emergency break glass.

Who can we blame now that Rodgers is gone? I thought he was the main reason for the losses ?? Where’s your savior Love ? You know the guy that was gonna take this team to the playoffs and such ? Now you’re stuck with reality.. Love isn’t that good, the beloved gm set this in motion.. Your head coach plays scared and looks like he’s about to cry on the sidelines..but hey, at least he kept his buddy Barry to help the defense be elite, it’s not like teams are STILL running for career days on them.. Oh whoppsie

CW posed the question about Yosh. What on earth did he do or not do to land in the doghouse? It goes all the way back to the decision to start Turner over him at LT in the playoff loss to the 49ers. We had seen him play well up to that point. WTF?

Yes, run the damn ball, but also, Jordan needs to take the throws that are available to him. Check out JT O'Sullivan https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpxPv2OsdSI - missed opportunities. His perspectives on the Ints are interesting, and also some of the unrealistic asks the Packers are making of the OL. There's an awful lot "to get cleanded up."

Most concerning to me was the panic we saw from Love, where he made already bad plays worse. Obviously, the we need to do a better job of keeping guys out of his face.

A lot of folks think Rhyan over Newman is the answer. We'll never know if the Packers don't give him an opportunity. If he turns out to be a more reliable guard than Newman, the crosshairs need to be on Butkus and to a degree on Stenovich for not being able to analyze talent.

Hey Cory so point insight. What is missing is attitude. Meanness & aggressiveness. The entire team for the entire game took tha ass kicking & mouth smashing. 2 players who didn't get embarrassed were the punter & kicker. I hope this Packer display is not the new woke crap. Sad. The penalties were even passive, showing total lack concentration & focus. MLF was out coached. Appeared totally unprepared. Now the whole league knows this team will fold like cheap suit, just smash their mouthed. We just take.

Ok got one here for the philosophers on this site, one of those chicken and egg type things. When the OL and DL are working against each other in practice what happens? Do the Bozos on the OL win or the clowns on the DL? Maybe at times they each do. I mean maybe even Newman wins out sometimes which might explain why the coaches see something in him. Whatever happens it is far to easy to imagine how ugly it is.

You build your line starting with the LT spot. That's why they get drafted highest and make the most money. We thought we'd have Bakhtiari for some of the time and we don't, so we're starting Walker, and he's doing OK-ish but he's inexperienced and we're clearly at a disadvantage when he's lined up against Hutchinson......like everybody else. So usually, we'd give him help from the TE, or the LG, except at LG we have Newman, and he needs help, too. It's really hampering us in terms of what we can do. Runyan and Tom are doing a solid job on the right side, IMO, but we should replace Newman with Runyan, because Runyan won't need as much help as Newman does. At least until Jenkins gets back.

We'll have to replace Runyan at RG then, but fortunately, RG is considered the least important part of the line (LT, C, RT, LG, RG) Ron Wolf famously made a statement about finding a RG anywhere, and we'd probably have to try Rhyan at this point. I mean, the guy was a Day 2 pick, he's had a redshirt rookie season to grow up, and it's time to help the team.

Nijman....I remember Nijman as stepping in and playing pretty good at LT after Jenkins left injured in 2021. He's clearly been passed in the last year by Tom, and now Walker, in the eyes of the coaches. I don't know why, and it doesn't seem anybody else here does either. It may be a moot point, since the next injury on the offensive line is going to put him in the lineup while they use Tom to plug the leak and we'll need a RT.

Anybody who watched Seattle last night and saw Geno Smith get injured.....imagine that's Jordan Love. We can't afford to have him not practicing and playing with the starters, and that's why pass protection is a much higher consideration than run blocking, and it's going to remain that way. It's not like we aren't scoring points....the aerial firepower is there....but we're having trouble staying on the field and that's giving us fewer plays and it's putting our defense back on the field too quickly.

IMO, we have two games here that we should win, which would make us 4-2 when we start a two game home stand against the Rams and the Vikings. If at that point, we're 5-3 or 4-4, then we're in the chase. If we're getting Jenkins back, it should be by then. Watson and Doubs and Reed and Jones and Love will all have had some games together......I think we're in pretty good shape, all things considered. We're 2-2. Favre and Rodgers both started out 2-3.

The blocking would have been better if Tyrone Davis and Bakhtiari and Jenkins had been on the field these 4 games.

I am not seeing any players trying to stage a coup against their HC, which I have to give him and the players credit. They are trying to build a team approach and I like that. This is a growing season (fall not spring).

I will look for any signs of a revolt, even on a small scale. For example, I will start to take notice of players (on the sidelines sans their helmets) and their eyebrows. If they start to take on the appearance of Wilford Brimley or a unibrow, we got issues! More issues than Sports Illustrated...!

Sorry, I digress.

*We truly will be fine in a year or two from now and this season is part of the overall makeup of those upcoming seasons.

Some seasons as the questions, while others provide the answers.

Carrots and peace,

Burp

"The frustrating thing is, this team should easily be 3-1. The Lions are the only team that was truly better than Green Bay."

This team could easily be 0-4 if not for the total malfunction of a Chicago Org. Let's not build the already expanded ego of many that believe this team won games, when in reality the opponent lost them, and there is a difference. This team played one team with any real fear to playoff caliber teams, Detroit, and they got ass kicked. Let's not cheer the two wins that were losses based on failed performances in both wins.

You're only as good/strong as the weakest link, or the strength of your best part, which at the moment is the QB, who in reality, cannot over-shadow the weakest link(s) of the Org.

Weak links:
OL
RBs
Run Defense
DC-Scheme
HC-in-game awareness/adjustments
WR youth

Love might be better than he has shown, but there's much he has to overcome to prove it. I wouldn't put too much into a win over the Raiders either, if achieved. This team needs a win over a quality opponent to bolster any perceived hype, but I can't seem to locate that team on the schedule.

This team is likely to play down to any lesser opponent than it is to play up to the better, a fact that has already been proven over 4 games.

Meyers, Newman, and Runyan are three skateboarders who keep trying to flip their boards but instead just keep falling and eating grass. Every team we play looks like a panzer division blitzkrieging our Maginot Line. The enemy doesn't think enough of our line to even have to outnumber us, they simply rush the bare minimum, knowing they'll get through. That fact allows them to also overwhelm our Air Force through superior numbers. Love has been good. He might have a very good future. But at the moment, he's a poor percentage passer. Teams know that so they flood the skies, i.e. the secondary, with more DBs and LBs than we have WRs, and Love can't see through all the flak. MLF is no military genius. His tactics are dated, or nonexistent. He has no clue how to plan a counter-offensive. Instead of innovation or adaptation, MLF's idea is akin to the British, who simply marched forward in formation, despite being fired upon from all sides. We need a Rommel and instead, we have Lord Cardigan leading our Light Brigade in a futile charge.

Rasheed Walker is out there not even making contact with defenders and were talking about moving Tom to center? Makes no sense. You lock up the blindside first and fix the rest the best you can.

Looking at our stats for the season and the strength of opponents, injuries, distractions, we are competently average, underperforming in the trenches, and this goes back to managing expectations. This is a pretty good average team. If there’s going to be improvement then that on the players. This coaching staff is unimpressive. We’re just going to have to enjoy football whatever the result.