Cory's Corner: More Impactful: Walker Or Wyatt?

Mental makeup matters and the Packers cannot afford giving up field position because of mental mistakes. 

The Packers defense is heading into this season with a helmet full of expectations. 

Two of the most interesting names are Devonte Wyatt and Quay Walker. The ‘W’ brothers are both in their sophomore year and are looking for breakout seasons. 

The question is, which University of Georgia defensive player will have a more impactful 2023?

There are plenty of question marks that surround Wyatt. He only played 23 percent of the defensive snaps. But when he did play, he looked fast and athletic — even if he seemed unsure of himself at times. 

Then there’s Walker. He started 16 games and played in 82 percent of the defensive snaps. We all got a good snapshot of what Walker can do. His athleticism practically jumps out of the TV screen watching him play. He has the speed to track anyone down and is physical enough to make the solo tackle. 

The Packers cannot have the boneheaded mistakes that Walker made last year. After playing pro ball for a year, he needs to know that the Packers not only need him on the field, but they cannot give up downs and yardage because of something Walker says or does. 

And Walker got numerous chances last year. He was ejected for pushing a member of the Lions training staff and was also tossed for shoving a Bills coach on the Buffalo sideline. 

Now in those spots, you have to be mentally tougher. You have to know that you’re going to be a target and you have to be able to compartmentalize that and just live to see another play.

Packers coach Matt LaFleur has challenged and stressed to Walker that he needs to just play and put all of the other stuff aside. That doesn’t mean that he shouldn’t play with the emotion of an incinerator. But it does mean that he should be making better decisions about those emotions. 

And that’s why I’m going with Wyatt. Walker is too much of a wild card right now and the Packers don’t need a wild card, they need a sure thing. Granted, like Jordan Love, the Packers don’t really know what they have in Wyatt, but I’ve seen enough of Wyatt’s mental makeup to have confidence in him this upcoming season. 

The Packers drafted both guys in the first round to eventually lead their defense. The defense will have to lead this team this year and Wyatt is the perfect second-year guy to do just that.

 

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Cory Jennerjohn is a graduate from UW-Oshkosh and has been in sports media for over 15 years. He was a co-host on "Clubhouse Live" and has also done various radio and TV work as well. He has written for newspapers, magazines and websites. He currently is a columnist for CHTV and also does various podcasts. He recently earned his Masters degree from the University of Iowa. He can be found on Twitter: @Coryjennerjohn

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NickPerry's picture

June 13, 2023 at 06:44 am

When Wyatt was finally allowed to play a few more snaps the last 3 or 4 games of the season the dude was playing really well. Teams do it all the time, put the veteran out there like Lowry or Reed even though Wyatt is better than either. More athletic than either, but just needed more than 10 snaps or so a game. I'm really looking forward to watching this kid play. Given the TIME on the field I think he can be the running mate Kenny Clark has needed for years.

Walker is quickly becoming one of my favorite players. Personally I love the underdog and even if you can't call a 1st round pick an "Underdog" he's MY underdog because so many called him a wasted pick. WHY use a 1st round pick on an ILB? Imagine, having a kid THAT athletic and obviously that talented on your team. Oh, the travesty! Once this kid is voted All-Pro or makes a few Pro Bowls I'll bet we don't hear much from those folks that hated the pick. Great ILB's can make a HUGE difference on a defense. The Packers haven't really had one since Bishop but do now IMO.

Clearly the kid can't lose his cool on the field moving forward. He'll be baited all year long and had better developed a thicker skin because players are going to be talking BAD about his Mama ALOT this season. Just smile and give em a little extra on the next play but don't react to the stupid shit.

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Leatherhead's picture

June 13, 2023 at 11:23 am

Wyatt had kind of a slow start, and just really wasn't as good as Lowry or Reed early in the season. He only had 35 defensive snaps in the first five games, but then it started increasing until he was playing 15-20 snaps a game. Then, following the Philadelphia game, he had two games where he didn't play much....maybe he was dealing with an injury, but then the last 3 games of the season the Packers went with him and he played in half the snaps and looked pretty good.

I think he'll be a real solid piece for us this year. Walker is going to have a tough year, because as you pointed out, he set himself up for it. I'd like to say "Oh, he'll just tune it out", but it might not turn out that way. He's a good defender you want on the field.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

June 16, 2023 at 09:19 am

MLF....buy Walker some ear plugs to wear!

I'm with you Nick Perry....Walker is fast becoming a favorite and I too think he will end up in the Pro Bowl someday!

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

June 13, 2023 at 11:05 pm

I agree that Quay is a dynamite player! I want these GA boys playing together like they're used to. I don't know who's on the roster to give Quay a break if he's getting heated and it can be a hard balancing act.

I really don't hold it against him, it's done and there's a new season ahead. The main difference is the organization really can't hold him up as a leader yet, whereas otherwise maybe he could be. Instead, he needs to be following a leader and direct that energy wisely.

In terms of strategy, edge rushers like Van Ness funneling the play into linebackers like Quay? That could work! I want him to improve at tackling, but this is where a combo player S / LB comes in.

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1966-Guy's picture

June 14, 2023 at 09:03 pm

Nick Barnett was FAR better than Bishop.

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T7Steve's picture

June 13, 2023 at 06:47 am

The better one does, will make the other better. They're on the same D.

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T7Steve's picture

June 13, 2023 at 06:47 am

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stockholder's picture

June 13, 2023 at 06:59 am

I don't think it's a Question of more.
But DON"T!!
Don't get hurt; and everything will work out.
The injury history at either position;
has been the downfall of expectations.
Because I don't see the answers behind them.

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dobber's picture

June 13, 2023 at 01:55 pm

True of pretty much every team in the NFL.

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Savage57's picture

June 13, 2023 at 06:59 am

I'm gonna go with "yes".

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LeotisHarris's picture

June 13, 2023 at 08:48 am

Exactly! Great answer or greatest answer?

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

June 13, 2023 at 11:06 pm

Yup, that one.

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TKWorldWide's picture

June 13, 2023 at 07:24 am

Wyatt has talent and he has opportunity at a position that GB really needs somebody to step up!

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

June 13, 2023 at 11:07 pm

9 D linemen. I hope they're developing all of them as well as possible!

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TxFred's picture

June 13, 2023 at 07:58 am

Wyatt hopefully will make the sophomore jump, being around Clark will help. Worried about Walker, immature emotionally. He was still stomping, snorting in the catwalk after being bounced. Not good. Keep on a very short leash. Don't tolerate any of his antics. I have a gut feeling he'll have a short stint with Pack. MLF &JB better impress upon him. Pack cannot afford to put up with this dudes clown shows. Tough enough for this team to win just playing hard nose football. GPP!!!

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RCPackerFan's picture

June 13, 2023 at 08:09 am

If we are talking purely production, Walker should have better stats.

If we are talking about the player that could have the greater impact, I would go with Wyatt. Last year Wyatt didn't get much playing time until late in the year. When he did get in, a lot of people asked why he wasn't playing before. They did have Lowry and Reed, but they weren't exactly great DL. Wyatt has some good skills and will hopefully be taking a step in year 2. While Walker brings speed and play making ability, the games are won in the trenches. Wyatt can be the solution to that.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

June 13, 2023 at 11:10 pm

I don't know if I'd put him on a par with Kenny Clarke yet, but he'll certainly have his opportunity to excel. Edge rushers should be good. In between, we have questions, but maybe some good surprises ...

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greengold's picture

June 13, 2023 at 08:35 am

Top DL play makes even better LBs.

Since 2022's Round 1 Quay Walker (pick 22) and Devonte Wyatt (pick 28) were drafted in essence as a pair, they know each other's game with a single glance, having won a Championship together at Georgia. Quay Walker was already a beast last season as a rookie. Now we add Wyatt with more regular snaps pairing with Clark, in rotation with both Wooden & Brooks?

Quay Walker. Playmaker.

The Packers interior Defense will be completely unrecognizable with this much talent added to it. In a good way.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

June 13, 2023 at 11:11 pm

I'm also looking at all this talent on the edge, funneling plays into our LBs. This could be the star defense we need ...

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

June 16, 2023 at 09:27 am

The Walker picked surprised me last year when it happened but I have come to love this guy. This is a young defensive player you can build a defense around. As you look at key players on this defense most of them are very young. Now throw in a guy like Van Ness. The defense should be very good this year with the accumulated talent.

On the defensive side, Wyatt was my #1 choice in round 1. Was ecstatic when they finally drafted him at #28 because I thought for sure after pick #22 he was gone. I too believe Wyatt is going to step up this year and be a force in pass rush. My concern is he ups his game considerably in the run game. If he could be a 3 down player it would be great for the defense. GG, like you I am extremely excited about the potential of Wooden & Brooks and excited to see what they contribute this year.

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greengold's picture

June 16, 2023 at 11:03 am

Knock and SST, our problem last year on D was we didn't have enough player depth.

The_Baloney_Stops_Here - THANK YOU for the heads-up last week on the Bootleg Football Podcast! I studied what they were saying quite a bit.

Yeah, yeah, yeah... Barry. Barry. Barry. Remove Barry from the equation and look at what we ran between the 20s:

The Packers were playing so much Quarters (17% - ranking #10) and Quarter/Quarter/Half (13% - ranking #8), and Cover-3 (36% - ranking #14) that an injury here or there can be devastating, and we saw that happen. They also ranked 6th in the NFL in Cover Zero usage (3%), where there are no margins for error.

Almost 70% of the time they were in high stress coverage situations, requiring top play and versatility. Almost 40% of those reps, they ran Cover 3, requiring 3 DBs to cover 4 vertical routes.

It takes special players to run that, a Vic Fangio derivative D. The Packers in 2022 simply did not have enough of them. In Quarters, you're cooked if you don't have EDGE rushers who can also RUN STOP. Same holds true for iDL. If they can't stop the run, again, you're cooked.

We gave up HUGE plays vs. the run in 2022 because we couldn't adjust, because didn't have the personnel. Yet. The Packers under Joe Barry need to be able to stop the run in Cover-3, 36% usage mostly on early downs, AND in QUARTERS vs. passing situations which was another 30% of our D between the 20s. We were RUN on badly in almost 70% of our alignments.

They did run some Cover 1, but that was just around 15% of the time, ranking 27th. Cover-2 we only ran less than 6% of the time, ranking 27th in the NFL there too.

The Packers blitzed on 3rd and 1 or 2 almost 50% of the time, ranking 8th. That fell off drastically on 3rd and 3+ ranking near the bottom of the NFL. Their stunt usage was just 29%, ranking 30th in the NFL. Remember, we stopped blitzing the last 6 weeks of the season after both Gary & Stokes went out Week 9!!! Did they not have the players? Kind of looks like it.

Do the Packers have the players now to run all of these concepts? It kind of looks like it. What Gutekunst did was not only add starters, but he also added great depth, so that if we lost a player or two, we could stay in schedule with scheme.

Van Ness, Wooden, Brooks, Valentine, Johnson Jr. and Cox Jr. along with both NT Jonathan Ford and DT Devonte Wyatt with a full year of development under their belts could provide a very big boost to this D. Not to mention Tarvarius Moore and Jonathan Owens at S.

That's 10 players added for 2023 (and there's more I'm forgetting), only 1 of whom we saw get minimal reps in 2022 (Wyatt).

Remember the "Star" position? Who plays that? Whoever it was, they were less than stellar. That star player, Rasul Douglas for part of the season until Stokes' injury, is key to running top form Cover 3. Barry's own words in terms of what went wrong defensively last season were: "the inconsistencies."

You're going to get that with a pile of rookies, and more so when injuries hit a not so deep defensive roster.

We saw that in young players just learning their various roles, and in not enough of them rostered to get the job done. Injuries severely affected what Barry was running, as there was little behind our starters to survive. That has changed this year, and it might take a while more to see it all come together.

I can start to see this. Even Quay Walker has his backup immersed in the grooming process in Tariq Carpenter. Every position looks to have good depth added. TC battles for starting positions will be fierce. With this much talent added, maybe this D comes around to being something special.

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Lphill's picture

June 13, 2023 at 08:56 am

Wyatt should have had more play time everyone knew it except for Joe Barry, its a mystery why he held him back the way he did.

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LambeauPlain's picture

June 13, 2023 at 09:22 am

And where was Jerry Montgomery?

He's been in charge of the D line since 2018 (Pettine called him the best assistant he'd had ever been around) and with the Pack since 2015. Outside of Kenny Clark, the Packers DL has been the weakest link since he's been in charge of them.

Packers D is loaded with player talent. Coaching talent is unimpressive.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

June 13, 2023 at 11:13 pm

We'll have to will them into better player evaluation and in game adjustments, lol

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Leatherhead's picture

June 13, 2023 at 12:21 pm

This is hard to understand, but early in the season, Reed and Lowry were just better NFL players than Wyatt.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

June 13, 2023 at 11:14 pm

Yeah I do believe that. If Wyatt made that big a step in one season, year 2 looks pretty promising :)

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LambeauPlain's picture

June 13, 2023 at 10:01 am

Walker really impressed me last year. His stupid penalties were inexcusable. You have to love his passion playing to the whistle...but be disciplined after it.

Wyatt was simply not playing due to Montgomery and Barry playing veterans over talent. By midseason, Wyatt should have been starting along with Kenny and Reed...Slaton and Lowry in the rotation.

My forecast is Wyatt, Clark, and Brooks starting on the DL...Slayton and Wooden in the first rotations.

And that Walker is going to have another productive year. He gets to the ball in a flash and tackles well.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

June 13, 2023 at 11:18 pm

Quay didn't do well in run stop. I still love him as a player! Hopefully they have him reeled in ...

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therealcause's picture

June 13, 2023 at 10:10 am

Very short "article" without any objective data to back up your final decision. Would you please add more information to the original post to better support your argument? Thanks!

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marpag1's picture

June 13, 2023 at 10:46 am

I definitely get your point. But in this case let's think twice before we ask that even more of this be written.

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greengold's picture

June 13, 2023 at 12:22 pm

Style points awarded.

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dobber's picture

June 13, 2023 at 01:58 pm

I put almost exactly this comment on a lot of papers written by college kids.

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HarryHodag's picture

June 13, 2023 at 11:48 am

The analysis is flawed. It's akin to "the backup quarterback is my favorite" theory.

Walker was without Campbell to help him out much of the season. A rookie took on a major role in a defense where linebackers make all the difference. He did make two, count 'em, two really bonehead plays. But forgotten was the all-out effort he gave all the rest of the time. I'm certain there was some thorough butt-chewing about those mistakes, something Walker admitted on TV last year. But in year two he's not a rookie anymore and I suspect you will see an even greater impact player this fall.

Wyatt, on the other hand, looked better toward the end of last season but was hardly anything outstanding in his few plays prior to that. If he was the great ascending player, how come he couldn't bench Lowry, no great shakes as a starter? A backup is a backup for a reason, be it at quarterback or the defensive line.

Walker played his guts out all season and Wyatt made a few plays toward the end of the season. To me, Walker has the most upside and Wyatt still has much to prove.

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greengold's picture

June 13, 2023 at 12:25 pm

Adding to that Wyatt played in a very heavy DL rotation at Georgia, and adding Ford, Wooden & Brooks altogether with Slaton & Clark will equal fewer snaps.

Quay will be on the field full-time on D.

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dobber's picture

June 13, 2023 at 02:14 pm

Remember also that Walker lined up outside periodically as an off-ball OLB later in the season. Walker's in a spot where he's going to play 85+% of the snaps every week. Certainly Campbell plays virtually every snap when he's in the game. When you've got two ILBs who can play all the time, it's a lot different defensive look from the 2020/2021 defenses that played a lot of true nickel.

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jont's picture

June 13, 2023 at 05:19 pm

This is-- I have to admit it, Harry-- the way I am thinking about it. "Akin to the backup quarterback is my favorite," I see Wyatt's better second half of last season and an ascending player. Then I read over and over about how Barry held him back. Then I heat up my off-season optimism, and before I know it I start buying into the 'dominating defense' narrative I remember from last summer. Dammit, Harry, you and your sensible comments.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

June 13, 2023 at 11:24 pm

Harry, I agree I saw the "non stop motor" out of Quay that announcers talk about. That's what I love about the guy. If Wyatt can be just as good as anybody else in the D line rotation except Kenny Clarke? That'd be just fine. If he can surpass that? He'll get his chance to try ...

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Bear's picture

June 13, 2023 at 05:59 pm

Cory,

Just to be accurate Walker didn’t push a Buffalo Bills coach it was a practice squad player.

Green Bay rookie Quay Walker was ejected late in the second quarter after pushing Buffalo Bills' practice squad tight end Zach Davidson on the sideline after a play.

Walker tackled James Cook out of bounds after a 7-yard run with 4:07 remaining in the second quarter. They tumbled out of bounds in front of Davidson, who bent at the waist and put his hands in front of him in an apparent attempt to avoid getting rolled into. Davidson then put his hands on Walker's arm. Walker responded by getting to his feet, turning around and pushing Davidson.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

June 13, 2023 at 11:26 pm

Well at least he didn't eat a hot dog on the sideline!

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Ferrari-Driver's picture

June 14, 2023 at 08:29 am

I love both picks by Gute and am glad he passed on the wide receiver. Who will be better? At this point it would be a guess since I expect both guys to be top performers in the league. At the end of the year I hope both guys are in the pro bowl and the performance level is so high that I have to call it tie between them.

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ImaPayne's picture

June 14, 2023 at 11:46 am

My take has always been, other then many QB's, when a high draft pick who is needed doesnt play a lot A) they are too stupid to learn the play book or B) they came into camp out of shape and not ready for prime time C) they are being taught a new position not the one they played in college or D) they just aren't that good to beat out the people in front of them until there is an injury.
If Wyatt was as good as his draft position he would have played he was needed. Instead he went missing for a long time till injuries set in and he had to play.
His counterpart Walker was mentally slow in diagnosing the play and reacting to it. They both under performed their draft status last year. I didnt hear pro bowl caliber on either of them?

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ImaPayne's picture

June 14, 2023 at 11:53 am

They should have never ever agreed with the union to drop the WONDERLICH exam. That alone would be more valuable then a 40 yard dash time or run aound the cones time. There are a lot of beavis and buttheads out there on the field because of it.
Now they have to asked pointed questions to get at ones mental accuity and the agents have schooled these guys on how to not answer or avoid and make a noise about the questions to push back against the NFL. My take we would have several Wonderlick flunkies on this team.

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