Cory's Corner: Jordan Love's Signature Game
Love throws for 300 yards and shows how he can be successful in this league.
Improvement matters. Especially if it’s incremental.
The Packers escaped with a 23-20 win at Lambeau Field on Sunday thanks to six Chargers drops — including two that could’ve been easy touchdowns.
But this was the game that Jordan Love came of age. He looked really good in a lot of tight situations. He extended plays and threw across his body. He even engineered a 74-yard, game-winning drive with 5:24 left after two of his running backs were injured, meaning that the Chargers defense knew he was probably going to pass.
“Understanding exactly what we needed,” Love said. “We needed a touchdown. There’s five minutes left in the game, who knows if we’ll get the ball back. We need to take advantage of this opportunity that we have.”
And finally, Love became the first Packers passer to throw for 300 since Aaron Rodgers did it in 2021 by throwing for 322 yards with two touchdowns and a passer rating of 108.5. (Sidenote: I correctly predicted that Love would throw for 300 on Sunday.)
I know to many Packers fans that two years seems like an eternity but after Dan Marino, the Dolphins had Jay Fiedler, Gus Frerotte, Joey Harrington and Cleo Lemon among others. Or how about the Bills? After Jim Kelly, Buffalo went to Todd Collins, Doug Flutie, Rob Johnson, Alex Van Pelt and many others.
It’s hard finding the next guy. And to make matters worse, I still don’t know if Love is that guy. I really like Love’s poise and his ability to stay cool when things are crumbling around him. He has proven that he can throw off-platform and he has many arm angles.
I liked that Love was able to pepper the middle of the field and I liked that Love was able to spread it around to 10 different receivers.
But the dark underbelly of Love’s game remains: he cannot throw the deep ball. He just does not have the arm strength of either Brett Favre or Rodgers and frankly, it isn’t even close. He puts too much air on it, because he doesn’t have a choice. Remember when we all got used to Rodgers flicking his wrist and hitting Jordy Nelson for 35 yards on the sideline? You’re not going to see that with Love.
Now that doesn’t mean that Love cannot be successful, because I think he still can. But the key is that he needs to play within himself. He needs to know and understand who he is. But most importantly, I’d like to see him use his legs more. Not as much as Justin Herbert did by running for 73 yards on eight carries but he is quick enough to keep defenses honest and it would be the perfect antidote for a defense that is packing it in and daring him to throw long.
What we saw on Sunday was the template on how Love can succeed in this league. If he extends plays and destroys defenses with constant completions to the middle of the field he can do well.
"OH WHAT A THROW FROM JORDAN LOVE TO ROMEO DOUBS!"
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Cory Jennerjohn is a graduate from UW-Oshkosh and has been in sports media for over 15 years. He was a co-host on "Clubhouse Live" and has also done various radio and TV work as well. He has written for newspapers, magazines and websites. He currently is a columnist for CHTV and also does various podcasts. He recently earned his Masters degree from the University of Iowa. He can be found on Twitter: @Coryjennerjohn
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Comments (153)
HawkPacker
November 21, 2023 at 06:49 am
Cory, I love the article.
" (Sidenote: I correctly predicted that Love would throw for 300 on Sunday.)"
So how many yards will he throw for Thursday?
T7Steve
November 21, 2023 at 07:01 am
I like your idea for Love to use his legs more. I just want him to use them as a threat though. That will help the O-line and the running game along with the passes and not risk out of the ordinary injury.
I think Love has enough arm strength. I don't know where you're coming from there, Cory. He needs to get his game speed timing down with all the different receivers he's using.
Love him spreading the ball around. Everyone seems to want a #1 or go to receiver to step up. I just want them all to step up and Love not concentrate on just one favorite (no staring down his receiver). We've had that experience before. It works against regular teams during the season but can get taken away by smart DCs.
RCPackerFan
November 21, 2023 at 07:44 am
"I think Love has enough arm strength. I don't know where you're coming from there, Cory. He needs to get his game speed timing down with all the different receivers he's using."
Also this isn't just about Love. Its about the WR's. There have been times the WR's cut in, instead of out. There are times the WR slows down where if they kept running it may have been perfectly thrown. There are a lot of things that can affect the deep ball. It isn't always on the QB.
PeteK
November 21, 2023 at 07:55 am
A good example was in last nights game where it seemed that Mahomes over threw a wide open WR, but the replay showed that the receiver briefly bubbled out the go route which threw off timing.
RCPackerFan
November 21, 2023 at 08:09 am
Yes exactly!
Coldworld
November 21, 2023 at 08:29 am
That is definitely true RC. It’s also about the OL and the existence of a credible run game. All these dramatically affect QB production. One of the more impressive aspects of the last game was that Love was under pressure on 50% of his plays. That he navigated that successfully is an encouraging sign that goes a long way to offsetting the inability of the Chargers to consistently cover.
No QB had great games every week. What we need to see is more good games and that’s going to require other facets of the offense, players and coaches to do better more often. That includes the D getting the O back on the field and maintaining rhythm and more from the ground game.
It’s no accident that Reed had a big impact there in the first half and we won. One could argue that Jones’ impact in game one further illustrates the importance of that. We shouldn’t be expecting Love to win it solo, because that won’t happen and indeed very rarely does even from a great at his peak. Others have to show up and win their battles on both sideline and field.
RCPackerFan
November 21, 2023 at 08:57 am
Yes the OL plays a big part of it too.
I do think Love's pocket awareness is really good overall. There was one play that stands out that he just held and held the ball, which resulted in a sack. He had an opening to run, but he was clearly waiting for something to open up downfield. But he has been really good at avoiding the rush. I'd like to see him use his legs a bit more when he has the room to do it.
Something we need to invest in, in the future is more for the running game. Love can't do it himself. They need RB's that can take pressure off of Love. I actually am starting to really like Wilson. He quickly gains 5 yards with his speed. It was disappointing to see him get hurt because I think he would be a big part of the offense while Jones is hurt.
SicSemperTyrannis
November 22, 2023 at 06:13 am
Our run game is key to JL's success as a passer. That requires an O line. Which requires an O line coach. Butkus should be recognized as a Bears plant here to ruin the team. There's talent throughout the position group, but they're being taught all wrong, even if that's only by tolerating bad play.
JL is really good at sliding to avoid getting hit. Yes he needs to recognize when it's time to run. It seems he's learned how to throw the ball away, that's important too.
In terms of investing at RB, Gutey cut Goodson and Nichols. Dillon should be punishing anything that dares to try to stop him, although he's not a bell cow for whatever reason. I also don't see his combine speed, he should probably work at that. At least he's not tripping over his shoelaces anymore.
#33 being continually hurt this season doesn't help, but he's more effective when he has some blocking, too. Of course.
Ellis Meriwether is listed on the PS, is he still here? Maybe he gets a chance? Using JL10 and #9 instead seems pretty risky. MLF hasn't tried running a TE. #28 is perfect for the FB role.
SicSemperTyrannis
November 22, 2023 at 05:59 am
RCP,
a LOT of this has been defenders slowing down our WRs. JL10 throws it just like it was practice, failing to adjust for what went wrong.
Guam
November 21, 2023 at 08:40 am
I dunno T7Steve, the few times I have seen Love actually run he looks like his shoe laces are tied together. He is nimble in the pocket and has good escape-ability, but he looks awkward running in the open field. Compared to Justin Herbert as an example, Love is just not a smooth, athletic runner.
This may be completely off the wall, but the more I see of Love, the more he reminds me of Bart Starr in many ways. Same personality - humble, quiet, polite and very intelligent. Same laser accuracy in the mid-range passing game, but not particularly good with the deep ball. Same pocket presence and escape-ability with limited actual running ability. Love still has a lot to develop and learn before he belongs in the same sentence as Bart Starr, but some similarities are earie for me. Maybe just me wanting to relive my childhood as I grow older......
T7Steve
November 21, 2023 at 09:21 am
That's why I just want him to be a "threat". At least till he gets his feet under him (pun intended). He has to be honored more than Rodgers was the last few seasons anyway.
Cory was the one that suggested he start to run more.
Kind of refreshing to see someone compare Love to Bart instead of A.R. He doesn't have to compare with either. He may be somewhere between Favre and A.R., Bart and A.R. or on his own path altogether. Thay all have to make it on their own. Being compared to any of three HOFers (or future HOFer) is a good start. Kind of sets a high bar.
Houndog
November 21, 2023 at 09:57 am
Steve,
"Being compared to any of three HOFers (or future HOFer) is a good start".
Despite some of his moments, and knowing the youngsters he's playing with at WR, I like Love, but:
At this point in time; Being compared to any of three HOFers, is a fantasy!
T7Steve
November 21, 2023 at 11:15 am
My point exactly.
Still, people are comparing them.
Guam
November 21, 2023 at 10:29 am
Fair point about the "threat" T7Steve. Herbert isn't really a runner but gashed us for nearly 80 yards. That threat can cause a defense to change and that is all you really need from a QB. And Love can certainly be more of a threat than Rodgers was in the twilight of his career. Age is not kind to running ability.
MainePackFan
November 21, 2023 at 09:45 am
"the few times I have seen Love actually run he looks like his shoe laces are tied together."
Exactly Guam. He reminds me of a Giraffe. He runs pretty good straight ahead, but he's quite cumbersome when he has to show a little juice. Even when he goes into a slide it looks awkward at times. That's not to say Jordan can't be a decent NFL QB, but making people miss in the open field is probably never going to be in his bag of tricks.
Guam
November 21, 2023 at 10:32 am
I really like your Giraffe analogy because that actually reminds me of how Love looks when he runs. Juking someone in the open field will never be his forte. Fortunately he will make his living with his arm and head, not his legs.
SicSemperTyrannis
November 22, 2023 at 06:30 am
I've seen awkward looking runners make people miss. He could really work at that and maybe bring something to the table. Years from now.
While his calm demeanor is noticed by everybody, he makes extra motion in the pocket after so much pressure, hits, and sacks. Happy feet, in small amounts. It slows down his throwing, messes up his timing, and adds to the pressure, hits, and sacks. This is exactly why so many of us focused on the O line since the draft. This is the huge coaching failure. Hopefully it doesn't derail his career.
SicSemperTyrannis
November 22, 2023 at 06:24 am
Guam,
I just want to see JL10 make his easy, short throws. It's not that he can't do it, he just doesn't. Whatever causes that, that should be priority #1 to fix. Whether it's a designed check down or somebody adjusting to bail out their QB, it's being consistent with those high probability plays that good teams simply have, reliably. That would go a long way to turning GB into a good team. Of the 10 games they've played this season, redoing that would make a HUGE impact in every game.
And it's an easier fix than the whole O line.
JL learning when it's time to scamper is now his priority #2. (Or should be, IMHO) If opponents have to dedicate a man to be his spy, that helps get a target open.
The offense is improving, and these 2 things would be big. GPG!
LambeauPlain
November 21, 2023 at 12:30 pm
I agree Steve...Love has shown me plenty of NFL arm talent. High ceiling too.
Comparing him now to Favre's howitzer or Rodgers' pinpoint deep balls after both men have logged HOF career's is premature and unfair as Love is just in year one.
In year one of their starting careers, neither Favre nor Rodgers would have been compared to HOFers Favre or Rodgers either.
Favre almost got benched after his nonstop INTs early in his "development" as Holmgren was the ONLY Packer O coach who voted to keep him the starter.
Rodgers first year was a 6-10 campaign and his passing was "ok" but nothing close to his subsequent seasons.
(ironically, Rodgers' first year starting was also plagued with a poor Bob Sanders defensive scheme that was also very soft)
Cory needs to give Love a few seasons before making definitive comparisons to two HOFers. I like the young man's talent and leadership. His arrow points straight up, IMO.
SicSemperTyrannis
November 22, 2023 at 06:42 am
LP,
I agree on JL10. I stand by my initial assessment, that he doesn't to throw like either of his predecessors to succeed. However, he DOES need to make the easy layups! I have no idea what the problem is there, but I'll never accept that it "can't" be fixed.
I am starting to wonder if part of the problem with his low completion rate is so many different targets, and trying to adjust to all their different traits. Fewer targets and a better connection to each would help, I think. Losing Reed and Musgrave now really hurts; hopefully Reed is back soon.
Who steps up in the meantime? Doubs is the most likely, it seems to me. Of course keep feeding Wicks. A solid connection with both would be gold!
SicSemperTyrannis
November 22, 2023 at 05:57 am
Steve, part of the problem with drops might be spreading the ball around so much that nobody ever gets warmed up and in the game. I love spreading the ball around as a strategy, but not if it doesn't work.
Just when the best targets prove to be Reed, Musgrave and Wicks, 2 go down with injury. Hopefully Musgrave is 100% for the final 3 games. We have impressive depth to step up! The likely breakout is Doubs. Watson will hopefully connect with JL sometime, but it's not happening now, just keep him in the MVS role and maybe some runs.
Hopefully they develop a "hot hand" in practice, and go with him.
egbertsouse
November 21, 2023 at 07:06 am
Let’s see how he does against a real defense before we put him in the HOF. Staley makes Joe Barry look like a good coach.
Cheezehead72
November 21, 2023 at 07:50 am
No one is putting Love in the HoF. Yes the Chargers defense is not good but Love played well. I look forward to see how he plays against the Lions defense. I say if MLF uses Reed and Wicks more Love will do better. Not saying the Packers will win because we have to depend on the defense which I do not think will stop the Lions.
RCPackerFan
November 21, 2023 at 08:08 am
Sounds like Wicks is in the concussion protocol which means he won't be playing.
Also, according to the "projected" practice report from yesterday, Jones and Wilson didn't practice, which we knew. Musgrave did not practice either.
We already know going into the game we will be without 2 of our top 3 RB's. We will likely be missing Wicks if he did in fact have a concussion. And if Musgrave can't go, our offense is becoming very bare.
Coldworld
November 21, 2023 at 08:33 am
I saw that and had the same reaction. I think it depends on if the concussion is confirmed. Watson was being evaluated a few weeks ago but was deemed not to require the process early in the week.
RCPackerFan
November 21, 2023 at 08:44 am
I agree. What I saw is the Packers injury report said he didn't practices and the reason was concussion/knee. So I would take that as him being in the protocol.
The hard part is this being a short week.
I hope he is able to go because he is becoming one of Loves go to guys especially on 3rd downs. I don't know where he ranks in the league but I feel like he is becoming one of the best 1st down getters on 3rd and long. He also drew the DPI on the 3rd and 20, on their game winning drive. He has became a key player for our offense.
dobber
November 21, 2023 at 09:22 am
They apparently signed Patrick Taylor off the Pats' practice squad yesterday.
They also resigned James Robiinson to the PS, cut Dallin Leavitt, and designated "Macho Man" Darnell Savage for return from IR.
LambeauPlain
November 21, 2023 at 12:43 pm
Good to see Taylor back. Knows the plays, can catch the ball and pass blocks well...and a solid teams player.
But no RB will replace Jonesy. What a rough year for AJ. The groin injury greatly slowed him down...I was saddened to read about the knee. What a gut punch year for him. Great talent...greater man.
Coldworld
November 21, 2023 at 06:25 pm
If it’s a MCL (most likely if not the ACL) given how he went down, then he could realistically be back after 2 games.
SicSemperTyrannis
November 22, 2023 at 06:47 am
Wow!
The churn is real.
Good move on the Leavitt cut.
Cheezehead72
November 21, 2023 at 09:52 am
Thanks for the info. I did not see that. Yes chances are he will not play. Wicks has shown some dependability.
SicSemperTyrannis
November 22, 2023 at 06:44 am
Using Reed is off the table when he's down with injury.
Since'75
November 21, 2023 at 08:21 am
F*** it egbertsouse, i'll go with a thumbs up.
I understand fans love affair with Love's 300 yard game and all, celebrate, say what you'd like. Grab an ice cream cone and dance in the streets. Crown him if you want to, it's all good.
Then i read about Love destroying defenses, that's where you lost me.
Most teams destroy the Chargers defense, evidenced by the league leading 291 passing ypg they give up.
You beat a sub .500 team by 3 points.
Lets take a look at this at seasons end and see where we are.
My apologies for this post to those offended.
Do what i never do, slap me with some downvotes, lets get me up to 2,000. before i get too old 😲😁
Coldworld
November 21, 2023 at 08:39 am
There is a difference between winning and what a player does. Can you not segregate the two or the context?
300 yards is not the determinant. Scott Tolzein had a 300 yard game. That’s just Corey’s hook. It’s how that game came about and in what context. You just post the same tripe every time. My apologies if that offends you, but it’s just fact.
Since'75
November 21, 2023 at 09:27 am
Doesn't offend me, but it sure sounds like your offended 🤷♂️.
Tripe?..lol...ok do this, if you think my comments are bs, then correct me, debate me, exchange views, but stop whining already.
Can you do that?
Or is it easier to just do nothing, and swig the kool aid?
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"It’s how that game came about and in what context."
I put the game in context, holy shit.
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Lighten up people, this isn't church or a funeral, smile once in awhile, say something entertaining, maybe even....funny?
dblbogey
November 21, 2023 at 11:04 am
"say something entertaining, maybe even....funny?"
I've yet to see you write anything entertaining or funny.
Since'75
November 21, 2023 at 01:39 pm
So..lol
If nothing i write entertains you, why do you keep reading it?
I love you guys!! 🤗
SicSemperTyrannis
November 22, 2023 at 06:52 am
'75, I'm with ya. The worst passing defense in the league is not another preseason game, but it's like playing with training wheels. This O needs that. Hopefully the progress continues, or at least sticks.
Against the Lions? Those training wheels come OFF! Wow it feels weird to write that ...
Packerpasty
November 21, 2023 at 10:53 am
yup, a couple of "good" games and he's the real deal...PUMP THE BRAKES...lets hope he continues to grow though for the Packers sake.
Untylu1968
November 21, 2023 at 11:20 am
That's almost as stupid as a couple of bad games, and he's a bust! People these days?
SicSemperTyrannis
November 22, 2023 at 06:54 am
Surely we can blame Taylor Swift.
dobber
November 21, 2023 at 11:32 am
Lions surrendered 32 ppg since their bye. I'm hoping the Packers go get 'em and don't play run-run-throw-punt football.
SicSemperTyrannis
November 22, 2023 at 06:57 am
Throw run throw punt it is!
Lol. Not much under the hood except pass attempts. Tucker Kraft has a breakout game? I'd love to see it. Patrick Taylor is more like #28 than #33, I fear he may not be so helpful in tandem. Dillon is the only one catching all his targets.
stockholder
November 21, 2023 at 07:13 am
Kudos to Cory for predicting 300 yds.
But sooner or later. The truth has come out.
Love should have accomplished a 300 sooner.
Template? Love will only be as good as Matt Flynn.
The Dark underbelly said it all.
A 7th rd; vs a #1 reach; is "Arm strength".
And the true longevity of Love, is his arm.
If this was the 6os, Love would fit. It isn’t!
POINT: He’ll never be a Super-Bowl winner.
Oh- Love can succeed in this League.
But that is all this Gm planned on.
Lombardi put GB on the map.
And the future of the packers depends;
On a Qb that can make any throw-“NOW".
(And that should be the next # 1 pick in GB.)
Unless a division winner is all management wants.
HawkPacker
November 21, 2023 at 07:57 am
"On a Qb that can make any throw-“NOW".
(And that should be the next # 1 pick in GB.)
Unless a division winner is all management wants."
Stock, that is pretty much what GB got with Rodgers!
Doug_In_Sandpoint
November 21, 2023 at 08:02 am
Sorry…
https://www.google.com/search?q=early+map+of+green+bay&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8...
PeteK
November 21, 2023 at 08:14 am
After 7 backup seasons in the league, their stats are very similar. What would Love's stats be if he was throwing the ball to Jennings, Nelson, and Driver for a dozen games. Yes, we still don't know if he can be a very good QB in this league and warrants some criticism, but he's showing plenty of good signs. It's almost like your rooting for him to fail to feed your Rogers narrative. Are you really a Packer fan??
Coldworld
November 21, 2023 at 08:42 am
I also wonder how much the disparity in OL between the two teams plays into it.
DoubleJ
November 21, 2023 at 08:50 am
The OL on the 2008 team was better than this team for sure. At OT you had Clifton and Tauscher, G had College and Spitz, and C was Wells. The OTs would be a wash IF Bak was playing but he isn't so OT goes to 2008. The G play is a wash because JRJ is sucking up the joint so much that he downgrades the G position even though Jenkins is playing well again. The C is obviously 2008 and Meyers is having a very up and down season again. The WR and TE still goes to 2008 as well since there were veterans on that team and they had tons of talent as well. Overall Rodgers 2008 offensive roster was superior to the 2023 roster. People often forget that the majority of the O was on the 2007 team that went to the NFCCG. Therefore Rodgers inherited a good team as evident that they went 11-5 in 2009 and won the SB in 2010 with still a lot of the same players.
Green Bay Shareholder
November 21, 2023 at 12:33 pm
Exactly - Executive Management Team in place at the time had the club much more acclimated personnel wise than the current Clown Show. Imagine running a business with all novice employees training on the job - what kind of results would you anticipate ? Both Favre - Reggie White and Rodgers - Charles Woodson had Big Time Impact Defensive stars acquired through Free Agency, plus a host of fine complimentary players too boot. Who is the Reggie White or Charles Woodson or Sterling Sharpe or Greg Jennings etc. on this team when Love suited up on Opening Day ? I actually think the team is playing over its head slightly since the cupboard is clearly bare. Just think of the receiving corps both Favre and Rodgers worked with over the years as well as 1,000 yard plus rushers - Dorsey Levens / Ahman Green. This management team needs to mix up their talent acquisition strategies - this is the meaning of insanity. You know what happens to CEOs with bad corporate earnings !
Packerpasty
November 21, 2023 at 02:51 pm
well one thing for sure...we will find out because he isn't going anywhere, that would be a black mark on Gute's drafting..at least isn't going anywhere for this season and next...and yes, Packer fans are allowed to have differing opinions and be skeptical...makes thing interesting and sometimes even the skeptics are correct!!!
Oppy
November 21, 2023 at 08:22 am
Love can make all the throws, he has zero issue with arm strength. Does love underthrow deep targets from time to time? Yup. He also overthrows them, too. He also hits them. Frozen rope deep outs? Yeah, he has shown that arm. Since you don't know what you're looking at in terms of arm talent, find any qualified pro QB talent evaluator who says otherwise. Love has the arm to make any thrown, "NOW".
POINT: You have zero basis for making any kind of prediction of what lies in any player's future.
Side thought: If it wasn't for a defensive backfield that got red-hot and willed the Packers into the playoffs, Aaron Rodgers would have zero super bowls under his belt.
POINT: You are being ridiculous.
dobber
November 21, 2023 at 09:28 am
Love has decided that any downfield throw is like the garbage can drill: all air, no zip.
I think it's mental (i.e. it's how he's being coached)...he's decided that he can't complete those (or that he needs to throw those as 50-50 balls) unless he lofts them. I agree: he's got the arm to throw those with more zip. He needs to do so.
Oppy
November 21, 2023 at 05:58 pm
Oh, it's not just what you and I think, it's a fact.
Matt LaFleur directly stated during the preseason this year that they (coaching staff) were specifically asking Love to put more loft under the deep throws to allow the WRs more opportunity to adjust. LaFleur stated it was a point of emphasis during the offseason for Love to give them more of that loft on the deep ball- because MLF (or perhaps Tom Clements?) thought Love's natural rocket-passing style on deep balls made for a more difficult to catch ball, as well as a more easily batted-down ball.
A few weeks ago I commented that I believe we're seeing accuracy issues as a direct result of Love artificially lofting the ball. About a week after I made that comment, I saw Jersey Al made similar comments in his weekly. The following two sundays it seemed that Love was putting less loft under the deep balls.
Crazy coincidences.
SicSemperTyrannis
November 22, 2023 at 07:10 am
Oppy,
I think this is yet another instance of poor coaching. They tinkered with JL10's basic play style, and are now wishing they hadn't.
stockholder
November 21, 2023 at 10:36 am
I was only referring to "The Dark Underbelly".
I didn't write it. I agreed with it.
You guys keep bringing up the Rodger's Love.
But Cory's comparison opened that. I didn't.
If I was going to look at a QB. - It would be McHomes.
Especially after watching him throw. last night.
The NFL teams are a throwing machine.
The fact it took Love this Long, to get a 300 ,
means the Dark underbelly is correct.
With extra picks in this draft.
And paying millions for a Qb that has a dark underbelly.
It just doesn't add up.
dblbogey
November 21, 2023 at 11:08 am
"The fact it took Love this Long, to get a 300 , means the Dark underbelly is correct."
Rodgers didn't have a single 300 yard game in his last 23 months as a Packer.
jannesbjornson
November 21, 2023 at 11:13 am
Same Coach.
Coldworld
November 21, 2023 at 11:50 am
Exactly. Now, if we had a good running game, maybe that doesn’t matter. However that coach can’t get that organized even with Jones and Dillon.
stockholder
November 21, 2023 at 12:47 pm
I think he's referring to Clements
jannesbjornson
November 21, 2023 at 02:23 pm
No, LaFleur.
stockholder
November 21, 2023 at 04:53 pm
He just can't stop hating MLF
jannesbjornson
November 21, 2023 at 05:10 pm
He showed his fear not going for the first down on 3rd and five to ice the Game. The punter drops the ball in the endzone and Herbert has a new deck to deal. They would have Won the Game if Quentin Johnston doesn't drop a gimme....
stockholder
November 21, 2023 at 05:15 pm
fear not going for the first down - Yes-
I made that comment after the game
(Go for the win.)
Them the breaks on the rest.
jannesbjornson
November 21, 2023 at 02:26 pm
Not bell cow backs and zero restocking of the shelf. I can see where LaFleur would be getting a bit frustrated with Gutedkunst's procurement, especially if he fantasized about a running game w/out blue chip linemen.
Oppy
November 21, 2023 at 06:13 pm
"Same Coach."
Which strengthens the point that was being made- Love "taking this long" to break 300 yards doesn't seem like the huge red flag Stockholder would like to make it once you consider Rodgers last 22 games were sub-300 yard outcomes.
Now, to be fair, Rodgers injured his thumb vs. the Giants in 2022. Let's give Rodgers the benefit of the doubt and say the thumb never healed and we don't count the NYG game or any game after in 2022. Rodgers still went 9 straight regular and post-season games without chalking up 300 yards before injuring his thumb.
How many games did Jordan Love go without breaking 300?
Is Stockholder suggesting that the Packers should have ditched Rodgers after a 9 game streak of sub-300 yards passing?
Just for the record, I'm -on the record- as stating I could care less if you throw for 300, 400, or 200. Passing for a lot of yards doesn't indicate a successful day of QB'ing in my opinion- it's just one data point. But that being said, I'm not the one blasting Love as needing to be replaced because it took him "this long" to break 300..
Packerpasty
November 21, 2023 at 02:52 pm
cant every NFL QB pretty much make all the throws??
Oppy
November 21, 2023 at 06:16 pm
No, they can't.
That's why every year starting QBs are being replaced.
There's not enough NFL-level arm talent to keep 32 teams satisfied with their QBs.
This is why you have guys who are career camp arms, career back ups. They offer a lot of good traits, but 9 times out of 10 they don't have the arm to be a franchise QB.
stockholder
November 21, 2023 at 06:25 pm
Jim Mahon Bears, than Packers?
SicSemperTyrannis
November 22, 2023 at 07:07 am
Sorry no. "Frozen rope" is thrown around entirely too much. Favre threw a frozen rope like I've never seen from anybody. He also broke the fingers of everyone he targeted.
JL10 has exhibited touch.
He struggles to connect with his wide array of targets. I'm enamored of all 8 WRs, including PS. I wanted JL to play more in the preseason, to try to establish a connection with more of them.
I'm thinking the short term solution includes going to fewer receivers. Not trying to thread needles from a mile away. Making the easy layup.
But yes he's got plenty of arm strength.
TXCHEESE
November 21, 2023 at 08:48 am
"Love should have accomplished a 300 sooner" ?? Says who? Mr. Rodgers had 17 games last year and didn't accomplish that with a more experienced receiving corp. and his no. 1 back was available the great majority of the year. You are wrongly assuming the next #1 pick is going to be a hall of famer....that will happen probably about every 10 - 12 years.
For the last dozen years Rodgers was simply a division winner. That's what history says and that's what pretty much every reasonable fan saw.
Since'75
November 21, 2023 at 09:17 am
Damn SH, you have almost 27,000 downvotes, i got some work to do!! 😲
stockholder
November 21, 2023 at 10:42 am
LOL- First it was MM.
Then it was Rodgers.
No job appreciation in GB.
Oppy
November 21, 2023 at 06:35 pm
The irony here is this (from my perspective):
The reason I started the Aaron Rodgers Should Go club back in roughly 2016 was because I was watching him, as far as I'm concerned, undermining Mike McCarthy by not taking coaching, regularly not running the plays that were being called into the huddle, interfering with the position coaches (actively telling skill position players to ignore what they were being taught by the coaches and do things "his way"). Then having the audacity to use misleading language during post game pressers and locker room interviews to give the impression bad play calls, outcomes, Run/Pass ratios, etc, were none of his doing, actively leading people to believe it was all MM. It culminated in what was basically throwing MM under the bus in 2018.
So, no, for me? First it was Aaron Rodgers. It was never Mike McCarthy. The irony (again, from my perspective) is you list them both as not being appreciated for their contributions. I valued MM for his contributions. I disowned Rodgers for shitting all over MM.
stockholder
November 21, 2023 at 09:43 pm
Oppy - It was all a set up mess!
Can't deny Rodgers could have kept Quiet.
But TTs disease was kept a secret.
And the miss direction had to be on purpose.
The packers already knew what they
had to do before it happened.
Nobody knows what goes on behind closed doors.
MM already was at odds with TT over not signing their own.
Rodgers wanted better talent around him.
As did MM. Who No longer was in the draft spotlight.
We have been having must drafts since TT illness.
It was all planned.
jannesbjornson
November 21, 2023 at 10:27 am
The long ball from Hurts to DeVonta Smith was right out of the old Raiders play sheet. My concern with Love is directing the ball to the deep pylon. There is no reason Watson should not break a similar go route and expect the pass to be in front of him. If Love can deliver these kill shots, he can win his job. They would have to lose out to be in contention for one of the top QBs. You do not want Gutedkunst making the selection, in any case. The delusional 2023 season where this clown operation was preaching a stout running game with an oft-injured scat back who fumbles in key moments and a fullback who cannot run. No running backs chosen in the top four picks since Dillon. A precarious O line with the All-Pro hanging on by shredded ligaments, a so-so Center and a couple of bottom feeders as backup OTs. Then, part three of the formula for contention, the defense with Eight One picks filling up space, where are they rated? One of them should have been Broderick jones. Set the Way-Back Machine. As I stated before, Love doesn't have to re-sign with this cluster___.
stockholder
November 21, 2023 at 10:53 am
You do not want Gutedkunst making the selection, in any case.- True -
Gute never played in the NFL.
He was a DB and thats all he knows.
He has this team on the verge of disaster.
if Love isn't the QB.
It won't matter how good the talent is.
And Lombardi knew that when he made Starr the QB.
But The Underlying issues means you can't leave a
franchise QB on the board. TT was right when Rodgers dropped.
And Gute doesn't go after players that drop.
jannesbjornson
November 21, 2023 at 11:06 am
Gil Brandt had lunch with Rodgers the day before and predicted he would go to the Pack. The viqueens passed over him twice. It was a stroke of Luck he kept falling and I liked Rodgers demeanor in the Green Room, cracking a few jokes etc. The Draft blog that day was joyous for those who know Players. Rodgers was Ted's guy all the way. Correct, Gutedkunst would have selected a project LB, if he was calling the shots. I believe he played LB for LACrosse before an injury put him on sidelines for good. Yes, if you are in position to grab a Franchise guy, you pull the trigger. He went with Love over Jalen Hurts.
dblbogey
November 21, 2023 at 11:10 am
Is there a block feature on here? I'm tired of having to scroll past all of your rants.
Oppy
November 21, 2023 at 06:26 pm
"Gute never played in the NFL.
He was a DB and thats all he knows. "
Wait until you find out about Ron Wolf's illustrious football career.
Spolier alert: There isn't one. He played Collegiate baseball. The end.
stockholder
November 21, 2023 at 10:08 pm
True -
But what he learned and drafted with the Raiders.
Put him in the elite.
RCPackerFan
November 21, 2023 at 07:25 am
This was imo Loves best game of the year. But it wasn't just about this game that has me excited. Its that the last 3 games it feels like the game is slowing down for him. He is seeing the field well and has overall made really good choices. I don't know for sure if Love is the QB of the future. I don't know what his ceiling is. I don't know if he is a top 30 QB. A top 20, a top 10, a top 5. I have no idea what his level will be. But these last 3 games have shown us that he has taken steps.
I don't know what the deal is with his deep ball. It just feels like a timing thing that he is trying to learn with his young players. IMO he has plenty of arm strength. He just is trying to place the ball rather then letting it go. There are times he puts it on a rope and other times he tries to float it in. These are all learning experiences for him. Not only him but the WR's.
What I like the best about Love is he is improving. He has shown that he can improve. I want to see him continue to improve though! I am looking forward to the rest of the season.
I saw this last night floating around and I thought it was interesting. These are the stats for QB's. Without looking it up and cheating, which ones are Loves stats? This is for the year to date. And for a bonus, who are the other 4 QB's?
QB1 - has 253 completions on 377 attempts for 2619 yards, 7 average, 19 TD's, 9 INT's, 13 sacks, rating of 93.8. (10 games)
QB2 - has 203 completions on 340 attempts for 2331 yards, 6.9 average, 16 TD's, 10 INT's, 22 sacks, rating of 83.8. (10 games)
QB3 - has 226 completions on 332 attempts for 2382 yards, 7.2 average, 11 TD's, 6 INT'S, 25 sacks, rating of 92.2. (10 games)
QB4 - has 210 completions on 302 attempts for 2441 yards, 8.1 average, 12 TD's, 5 INT's, 27 sacks, rating 100.1. (11 games)
QB5 - has 246 completions on 361 attempts for 2743 yards, 7.6 average, 16 TD's, 8 INT's, 17 sacks, rating of 96.1 (10 games)
We will take the same QB's and these are the last 3 game stats.
QB1 - has 68 completions on 111 attempts for 602 yards, 4 TD's, 3 Interceptions, 6 sacks and a rating of 78.8
QB2 - has 68 completions on 106 attempts for 839 yards, 5 TD's, 2 Interceptions, 8 sacks and a rating of 98.6
QB3 - has 65 completions on 93 attempts for 739 yards, 3 TD's, 3 Interceptions, 9 sacks and a rating of 89.4
QB4 - has 50 completions on 75 attempts for 674 yards, 3 TD's, 2 Interceptions, 7 sacks and a rating of 95.2
QB5 - has 72 completions on 105 attempts for 841 yards, 5 TD's, 4 Interceptions, 2 sacks and a rating of 93.2
Which one is Love in each of these?
MainePackFan
November 21, 2023 at 07:42 am
QB2
RCPackerFan
November 21, 2023 at 07:45 am
Any guesses on who the other 4 QB's are?
MainePackFan
November 21, 2023 at 08:08 am
I do, but I cheated : ) I didn't have to cheat on Love because I knew he had 16 TD's and 10 picks.
RCPackerFan
November 21, 2023 at 08:15 am
CHEATER!!!!
I assumed people might know Loves numbers.
But the whole experiment was more about comparing him to other QB's. Other QB's that people feel are great. There are some others that I wanted to add, but my post started to get lengthily. I tend to ramble on a lot lol.
Here is another comparison. Jalen Hurts.
224 completions on 327 attempts, 2497 yards, 15 TD's, 9 INT's, 27 sacks, rating of 94.8.
MainePackFan
November 21, 2023 at 10:10 am
lol. It was interesting to see the JL comparisons to what most would consider the elite QB's in the NFL.
dobber
November 21, 2023 at 09:33 am
Howell, Goff, and Stroud?
RCPackerFan
November 21, 2023 at 09:34 am
1 out of the 3 is correct.
HawkPacker
November 21, 2023 at 08:02 am
Yes, QB #2 and I don't know who the other qb's are.
RCPackerFan
November 21, 2023 at 08:33 am
Do you have any guesses at all?
DoubleJ
November 21, 2023 at 08:43 am
I'd say Joe Burrow, Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen, and Tua are the other QBs. Don't know which is which though.
RCPackerFan
November 21, 2023 at 08:47 am
One of the 4 is correct.
You have Mahommes correct.
I didn't do Burrow because I know he has missed games.
DoubleJ
November 21, 2023 at 09:06 am
Who are all of the QBs then. I don't want to take the time to look it up...lol
RCPackerFan
November 21, 2023 at 09:11 am
I will wait a little bit to see if I get any more guesses. I will tell you though who is who.
Since'75
November 21, 2023 at 04:31 pm
I think the game has slowed down for Love because he knows the offense good enough where it's more natural for him.
I think that's what 3 years of developing affords a QB.
I think he was even ok against the Chiefs last season, but he got a lot of pressure.
He looked pretty comfortable in the Beat/Falcons game, and then again in the Chargers game.
The game has slowed down, but whenever a team brings good pressure, that affects any QB.
See Aaron Rodgers
RCPackerFan
November 21, 2023 at 07:52 am
And for another comparison.
These are Rodgers numbers last year through 10 games.
He had 219 completions on 337 attempts for 2315 yards, 17 TD's, 7 Int's, 20 sacks, rating of 96.67.
Since'75
November 21, 2023 at 04:37 pm
Last season Rodgers had to break in 2 raw rookies.
We all know Cobb doesn't do much, and lets be honest, Lazard is just a guy.
Since'75
November 21, 2023 at 05:34 pm
lol...oh yea,,,,i wish i had some binkies to pass out.
HawkPacker
November 21, 2023 at 08:04 am
RCP, I agree on your comments about the last three games. He has shown improvement. I do not expect us to win on Thanksgiving Day but it would be great to see Love & Company continue to grow!
RCPackerFan
November 21, 2023 at 08:36 am
I want growth! Its already going to be tough with the injuries we have. But if Love can look good, and the young players look great, that is what I want to see.
The last meeting against the Lions we were down big time. Brought it within 10 at the start of the 4th Quarter to only give up an almost 9 minute TD drive. If we could have gotten a stop there who knows what happens.
Oddly I am feeling better about this game. Just don't know with the injuries we have on a short week if we can do it.
jannesbjornson
November 21, 2023 at 10:49 am
Consecutive three and outs with LaFleur trying to establish the Run. He better have Love peppering the ball all over the place against the big cats. The Lion pass defenders can be beaten. Do not set Love up for failure, facing third and looonnngggg.
Coldworld
November 21, 2023 at 06:29 pm
If the OL holds up against their DL like last time, better not have any long developing pass plays if we can’t run. Expect the lions center to try to just demolish our IOL early and often
jannesbjornson
November 22, 2023 at 10:12 am
Short passing game= WCO. Get Dillon in the hook zones. Love can throw the out passes quickly. He has to move his feet better and get up on his toes to deliver, not his heels.
Oppy
November 21, 2023 at 08:28 am
I've always wished I had the know-how (and the time.. and the patience lol) to take all-22 footage of games and somehow blur out identifying traits of the players while retaining the ability to assess the QB play.
What people would find is that they gripe an awful lot about some things, and overlook other things, based more on who the QB is than what the QB does.
RCPackerFan
November 21, 2023 at 08:39 am
I'm right there with you Oppy. That's above my paygrade lol.
There are so many factors that go into these games. QB's get way to much credit and way to much blame. Its a team game. The QB needs the OL to block. They need the WR's to get open. They need the RB's to be able to pick up blocks and to run well. They need the defense to get stops. They need the Special teams to give them better field position and to finish drives off.
Building a team is more then a QB. Its 10 other guys on the field with the QB.
RCPackerFan
November 21, 2023 at 11:10 am
For those that are curious.
These are the QB's.
Patrick Mahommes -
QB1 - has 253 completions on 377 attempts for 2619 yards, 7 average, 19 TD's, 9 INT's, 13 sacks, rating of 93.8. (10 games)
Jordan Love -
QB2 - has 203 completions on 340 attempts for 2331 yards, 6.9 average, 16 TD's, 10 INT's, 22 sacks, rating of 83.8. (10 games)
Trevor Lawrence -
QB3 - has 226 completions on 332 attempts for 2382 yards, 7.2 average, 11 TD's, 6 INT'S, 25 sacks, rating of 92.2. (10 games)
Lamar Jackson -
QB4 - has 210 completions on 302 attempts for 2441 yards, 8.1 average, 12 TD's, 5 INT's, 27 sacks, rating 100.1. (11 games)
Jared Goff -
QB5 - has 246 completions on 361 attempts for 2743 yards, 7.6 average, 16 TD's, 8 INT's, 17 sacks, rating of 96.1 (10 games)
SicSemperTyrannis
November 22, 2023 at 07:32 am
RCP,
agreed that what's important here is development. Love is learning, and improving
I don't think the star line against LAC is that important; career trajectory IS.
In Detroit it may be impossible to see any of this. Hopefully they compete, and no more injuries ...
GPG!
TKWorldWide
November 21, 2023 at 07:48 am
If they really wanted to, they could come up with some reliable way to measure arm strength at the combine or at a pro day. Radar gun, perhaps?
dobber
November 21, 2023 at 09:34 am
If they go watch "Over the Top" it might give them some ideas.
TKWorldWide
November 21, 2023 at 09:54 am
It’s all in the grip, baby! 🤣
SicSemperTyrannis
November 22, 2023 at 07:36 am
Favre tried to prove that.
TKWorldWide
November 22, 2023 at 03:34 pm
Bazinga!!
cben67
November 21, 2023 at 08:01 am
I probably have overlooked someone but these are the QB's I remember the Packers fielding in the years between Bart Starr and Brett Favre
67 Don Horn 71 Scott Hunter 72 Jerry Tagge 73 Jim Del Gaizo 74 John Hadl 75 Carlos Brown 76 Lynn Dickey 76 Randy Johnson 77 David Whitehurst 81 Rich Campbell 84 Randy Wright 85 Jim Zorn 87 Robbie Bosco 87 Alan Risher 87 Don Majkowski 88 Blair Kiel 89 Anthony Dilwig 91 Mike Tomczak
Horn, Tagge, and Campbell were all #1 draft picks.
HawkPacker
November 21, 2023 at 08:05 am
The only ones that did any good, imho, are Majkowski and Dickey. The others??? Not so much!
PeteK
November 21, 2023 at 08:21 am
The Magic Man, after that 10 win season, I thought we were on our way. :(,,,,
Doug_In_Sandpoint
November 21, 2023 at 08:08 am
Wow, the mayor of Fresno…
TxFred
November 21, 2023 at 08:17 am
Escaped, is right. The whole Chargers organization & fans are embarrassed losing to this edition of the Pack.
I hope JL understands long balls are no more and fine tune short & medium throws. Beside not having the skill to throw long balls our O Line is nowhere close to allowing it. Same with run blocking.
Looks like, for now just short/medium passes and some end around stuff.
Major gutting for the O Line coming.
SicSemperTyrannis
November 22, 2023 at 07:39 am
Good stuff, EXCEPT - O line has talent, they just need to be taught. They're regressing; that's what happens when poor play is tolerated.
LeotisHarris
November 21, 2023 at 08:46 am
Most days it's best to slowly walk into The Corner, enjoy a brief look around, and exit. Like my grandma used to say, "if you can't say anything nice about someone, sit next to me."
Bitternotsour
November 21, 2023 at 10:58 am
i'd enjoy a seat next to your grandma.
RCPackerFan
November 21, 2023 at 08:49 am
"But the dark underbelly of Love’s game remains: he cannot throw the deep ball."
So this is funny to me because I just saw this stat on Twitter.
According to PFF GB Packers, Jordan love has 18 completions gaining 30+ yards. That is the most in the NFL.
PackerBO
November 21, 2023 at 09:14 am
State are a funny thing. Run after the catch is a big part of that 18 completions, but I never looked up all 18 catches. I will take 18 catches of 30 yards any day no matter how it's accomplished
RCPackerFan
November 21, 2023 at 09:25 am
According to Peter Bukowski on Twitter, He said that Love is 2nd in depth of Target and Packers are 19th in YAC. The explosive plays are almost exclusively coming via air yards.
He said that of his throws 20+ his average depth of target is 32 yards. Only Huts is slightly higher.
I don't know if its accurate but i will take his word for it.
T7Steve
November 21, 2023 at 09:33 am
Let's get 18 of those on Thanksgiving!
RCPackerFan
November 21, 2023 at 09:26 am
Of Loves 18 30+ yard completions this is how they break down.
Reed - 7
Wicks - 3
Musgrave - 2
Watson - 2
Jones - 2
Doubs -1
Toure -1
Houndog
November 21, 2023 at 10:08 am
RC,
That says a bit about Reed and Wicks as well as Love. Interesting! Thanks.
RCPackerFan
November 21, 2023 at 11:11 am
Agreed!
Also Musgrave too.
Coldworld
November 21, 2023 at 09:33 am
It’s odd how this keeps coming up. Long passes have a significantly lower completion percentage historically. An in-season 2019 study of long pass (20+ yards in the air) completion percentages found the following
Garoppolo lead with a 60% completion rate (12-of-20), followed by Wilson (23-of-42, 55%),
Tom Brady (19-of-37, 51%),
Minshew (17-of-34, 50%)
Prescott (21-of-42, 50%).
Obviously, completion takes both a throw and a catch, so WRs are a big factor in the above (Brady completed 32% the year before), but the point isn’t to praise or damn any QB, just to emphasize that all QBs miss on a lot of deep passes. Rodgers did, Brady did, Favre did and Mahommes does.
For the record, Love’s completion percentage for passes over 20 yards in the air is middle of the pack at 15th. There’s not much difference in the rating for the bulk of those ahead of him either.
LambeauPlain
November 21, 2023 at 01:11 pm
That's an interesting analysis. And you are spot on mentioning the WR talent to make the chunk plays go.
Have to have speed, great route running, timing, ability to high point the ball or get under it, and catch it. Packers have a good receiver crew in training to make chunk pass plays more prolific in the future. Reed, Watts and Musgrave to go with Watson and Doubs are 5 receivers who can get deep. Just are not consistent doing it yet.
Last night, MVS and his blazing speed got him open down the middle at the goal line, Mahomes dropped a deep dime in both his hands...of stone. Incomplete.
dobber
November 21, 2023 at 09:49 am
Wait...I thought that 17-0 comeback against the Saints was his signature win moment thing.
Vegas, they had the ball down four inside the LV 35 with :50 on the clock and he threw a pick on third down and long trying to push the ball downfield. Vegas is 4-3 since beating the Packers.
Denver, they had the ball down two at the two-minute mark at midfield and he threw a pick on third down and long trying to push the ball down the field. Denver is something like 4-0 since beating the Packers.
This week, they got it done down four pushing the ball downfield with time winding down. Even ARod didn't win every last-minute drive game and sometimes **gasp!!** he even threw a pick. The Saints game and the Chargers game both show they can get it done. It's not going to happen every week...so the key is to play better--especially early-- so you DON'T have to have "signature wins".
Houndog
November 21, 2023 at 10:02 am
All this about Love, some good, some bad.
While watching last night's game I thought about Jalen Hurts, and how he looked like a near bust his first year or two. The jury is still a long way out on Love.
dobber
November 21, 2023 at 10:27 am
Until they gave him a really good defense and then surrounded him with an outstanding OL and outstanding pass-catchers, yes, Hurts looked pretty poor.
Bitternotsour
November 21, 2023 at 11:03 am
funny how that worked, right?
losing the best left tackle in football is an insurmountable loss. it compounded every other problem on the line - including Jenkins not being back to his best self. Next year, Jenkins (recovered) at left tackle. a first or second round pick at left guard. then the rest of the pieces fall into place.
a new coaching staff would be nice.
PeteK
November 21, 2023 at 11:49 am
The run game was a big plus for Philly, 150 yds for Hurts. Last night made me glad again that we didn't sign MVS.
Packerpasty
November 21, 2023 at 10:48 am
other than Kelce the Packers have better WR's than the Chiefs currently do...they let a couple of really good ones go now they're paying the price...
jannesbjornson
November 21, 2023 at 11:30 am
They're paying for Kelce's and Clark's contract extensions. Mahomes was on fire, last night ,but MVS came up short, as per usual.
Since'75
November 21, 2023 at 02:08 pm
They're also paying the price without Hill.
No kidding about MVS, they should have given that money to Hill.
He is what he is there, what he was here.
If that makes any sense. 🤔
Credit to Gute for not falling for it.
I'm guessing he learned his lesson with Jimmy Graham?
Packerpasty
November 21, 2023 at 02:42 pm
all the speed in the world but unreliable, as in last night...
Since'75
November 21, 2023 at 05:36 pm
Yea, he did himself no favors there.
He could have been a hero, now he's an overpriced chump.
Packerpasty
November 21, 2023 at 10:56 am
Things I hope I dont hear next season...."but in Rodgers/Favre/Herbert/Hurts/etc first year"....."youngest"....."progression" "give him time"..."Barry"...
Bitternotsour
November 21, 2023 at 11:05 am
but in Rodgers/Favre/Herbert/Hurts/etc first year, they weren't saddled with Matt LaFleur.
you are welcome.
Packerpasty
November 21, 2023 at 02:38 pm
truth!!!
T7Steve
November 21, 2023 at 01:53 pm
Next year we'll be comparing him to their second seasons, I bet.
Since'75
November 21, 2023 at 01:59 pm
Talent...developing...progress....just wait....defense destroyer....2nd year leap.....but....
Sorry, i just like to be included 😲🥱👍🍻🙄🍦😁
Since'75
November 21, 2023 at 01:54 pm
Someone wrote the Lions have given up 32PPG since their bye.
*******************
Well, the Chargers were giving up 23.9 PPG, so the Packers should kick the shit out of Detroit then.. 🤷♂️
The first game found the Packers rushing for 27 yards
The Pack is going to need to find some rushing yards because if we keep having 3rd and long, Detroit's going to pin their ears back like they did the first game. 5 sacks and 11 QB hits.
I know people talked about this game being a barometer game.
If the Packers play 'anything' like they did the first game.
This game will be a reality check.
Lets hope the Packers can keep the Lions under 200 yards rushing.
Good first step.
Then Love can destroy their defense!!
I know...i know....i'm sorry!!
Starrbrite
November 21, 2023 at 02:07 pm
As y’all know, I’m not much on the Love train, but he played his best game so far. The most cringe worthy pass was the one to Musgrave. My criticisms have been his penchant for missing the layups. If he make those throws, I’ll stop complaining.
As for his running skills—I laughed at Marines description, “runs like a giraffe.” If you can move the chains with your legs—do it; we don’t care what it looks like.
Now go spoil the Lions Thanksgiving parade.
Go Packers!!!
Packerpasty
November 21, 2023 at 02:37 pm
in Years past this was the Lions Super Bowl, now the tide has turned....looks like its the Packers super bowl and I sure hope they win it...bragging rights in Mich.
jannesbjornson
November 21, 2023 at 05:26 pm
Might as well try the "Hail Mary" pass play a few times...
pantz_bURp
November 21, 2023 at 03:05 pm
Yes, this isn't Love at first sight. Love will take time...let it be plutonic at first. Get to know each other's dreams, hopes, fears, strengths and weaknesses.
*I have already said this season, no matter what the record ends up being...we will end up with a winning record. Why? Well, #12 is now #8 and his salary will be off the books sooner than later.
You all can debate #10 and is he or isn't he a NFL caliber QB or one you want leading the Pack. That is all good and healthy speculation.
I for one love #10s approach to the game, his teammates and apparently his coaches. His emotional maturity and security make him a breath of fresh air. Kinda like when I put a Spruce scented tree meant for my 70 Chevy's mirror in my back pocket since I know Taco Bell might be calling me after work.
Moral of the story: plan ahead and let er rip at times.
Hugs and kisses on the cheeks, European style,
Pantz
***Don't disclose this to Sweet Pea, but I am slowly developing a man crush on Dan Campbell. The Lions are lucky to have him and I am happy for their success. The city and fans of the Lions deserve some success. Just not on Thanksgiving!
** And to all bitching about #10. Question: do you also race to put up your Christmas decorations outside way before Thanksgiving? Shame on you!! 😁
Happy Thanksgiving a tad early you all...enjoy the moments and be thankful...................you have me as a knowledgeable friend to bounce your Packer ideas and thoughts. 💋
lecko
November 21, 2023 at 05:23 pm
interesting take about arm strength. All throughout preseason and later we could read how Love has prototype NFL passer measiurables and strong arm. Yes there were questions about accuracy but nowhere I read his arm is weak. After watching long throw after long throw being underthrown one has to wonder is he capable of overthrowing ? I think he is, a especially in the first games of the year many times receivers were overthrown. Maybe there is some undisclosed injury or coaching insissted after that that he must not overthrow (but that is more dangerous for interceptopns). Even on long TD pass on sunday to me it was just a bit underthrown, Doubs had to reach back to get the ball. But I think it is too early, lets hope he continues to improve even against better defences. But 2 of his main targets (Musgrave, Wicks) seem to be out now. I went and reread his draft profile from pro scouts: "He has the arm to stick throws into tight windows ,
Drops deeps balls in with plenty of air and touch
Arm talent and swagger to attack field side Cover 2 hole" but also "Completed just 31.8 percent of his deep throws"
Oppy
November 21, 2023 at 06:38 pm
He overthrows deep balls as well as under throws them. He needs to improve his accuracy on the deep balls, but it sure isn't an arm strength problem.
Oppy
November 21, 2023 at 06:36 pm
Man, I get that Nagler needs that sweet, sweet ad money now that CHTV is his full time gig, but the pop-up bottom banner adverts that get bigger and overtake the bottom 1/3 of the screen with regularity? FOR THE BIRDS.