Cory's Corner: Aaron Jones Is The Leader Green Bay Needs
The fifth round pick isn't just valuable on the field, he's worth more off it.
The same question keeps coming up. What is a leader? What does it look like? What does it sound like?
“I didn't want to be greedy," said Aaron Jones recently. “I’m a team player. I want to help the team and help them get as many guys in here as we can. So, if that means freeing up a little money, then I will.”
Jones is a leader. He is giving his salary a haircut to the tune of $5 million all because of the team. In a salary cap sport, you cannot spell leadership any better. This is the guy the Packers want in the locker room. This is the guy the Packers need as they approach a transitional time with a new starting quarterback.
Aaron Jones is the guy.
“Those guys in the locker room, those are my brothers,” Jones said. “The people upstairs, they believe in me, and they believed in me since I've gotten here.”
The NFL is a delicate dance. The player agrees to take a pay cut and help the team. Then the player gets injured or his production falls off. The team then releases the player, which is why players are more apt to get as much as they possibly can. And I don’t blame them. A player’s NFL career is already short enough — it’s best to capitalize when you can.
Which is why this move carries so much weight. The 28-year-old Jones is the fulcrum for a Packers offense that will rely more heavily on the run. He had 31 rushes of 10 yards or more, tied for seventh in the NFL last year. He is also a capable pass catcher that can line up all over the field.
The Packers know how valuable Jones is to this team. The NFC North is also sick and tired of trying to tackle someone so slippery.
This isn’t just about a player that chose to take a pay cut. This about a player that chose to put the team over himself.
I know the thought of Tom Brady drives everyone nuts, but he put the team over himself time and time again and it worked out OK for the Patriots and Buccaneers. Maybe this move is a cascade of other team-first decisions that will ultimately lead to a championship.
All it takes is one — just one leader.
The Packers need someone that they can believe in to take them into the next chapter of pro football in Green Bay.
That guy is now Jones.
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Cory Jennerjohn is a graduate from UW-Oshkosh and has been in sports media for over 15 years. He was a co-host on "Clubhouse Live" and has also done various radio and TV work as well. He has written for newspapers, magazines and websites. He currently is a columnist for CHTV and also does various podcasts. He recently earned his Masters degree from the University of Iowa. He can be found on Twitter: @Coryjennerjohn
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Comments (116)
Savage57
April 15, 2023 at 07:08 am
Compare Jones to "Then I threw a wrench in their plans."
What leadership doesn't sound like.
mrtundra
April 15, 2023 at 07:26 am
Aaron and AJ both "Carry The G" for the Packers, on and off the field. Now, let's run the damn ball!
egbertsouse
April 15, 2023 at 07:28 am
Please stop calling it a pay cut. He got a pay raise. Just not as big of one as he had hoped. Even Jones admits that $11 million per year is the most he’s ever made.
Sschind
April 15, 2023 at 09:12 am
It was a pay cut. He signed a contract to play for 17 million and agreed to take 12. That is a pay cut. As opposed to Tom Brady who never made less than what his contract called for. He (brady) may have agreed to play for less with his current team than he could have gotten from someone else but once the contract was signed he got that money. I'm not saying what Brady did wasnt laudable. It was but it was not a pay cut. Aaron Jones took a pay cut.
egbertsouse
April 15, 2023 at 01:56 pm
The amount was not guaranteed. It is a phony number tacked on the end of a contract for cap relief purposes. It’s basically a meaningless number.
dobber
April 15, 2023 at 12:19 pm
"Jones renegotiated his contract taking a pay cut of $5 million in 2023 and in return had $8.52 million of his contract guaranteed."
https://overthecap.com/player/aaron-jones/5768
He got a bolus of cash up-front...he's getting paid.
StarrtoRodgers
April 15, 2023 at 12:27 pm
"He got a bolus of cash up-front...he's getting paid."
As Aaron Jones should.
The value is brought by THE PEOPLE (the players in the arena) that cripple themselves for life just to enrich these Parasite Billionaire Owners and the athletically talentless computer key tapping, pencil pushing, stuffed suit, otherwise empty life management parasites that lives off these players blood and sweat put out for our entertainment.
And the athletically talentless wanna be arm chair GMs – with their empty lives - that post to these websites whining about the “spoiled” athletes are of the same ilk – church ladies living though gossip and drinking down Packer management propaganda and repeating it like unimaginative, unquestioning, un-critical thinking PARROTS..
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat. Shame on the man of cultivated taste who lets refinement to develop in to fastidiousness that unfits him for doing the rough work of a work day world."
Brian - AND THE PACKER "SUITS" - view Aaron and the other players as the ENEMY.
But "IT IS ABOUT THE PEOPLE" as Aaron tried to point out to Brian, the young pup who is expert at shuffling paper and calculating numbers from the security and safety of his office. .
Oppy
April 15, 2023 at 12:35 pm
You just re-posted ANOTHER comment you originally posted earlier today?
You are a scourge.
Plus, for the record, Brian Gutekunst and the Packers front office are the heroes working for the common man. Aaron Rodgers is the scum-sucking elitist.
StarrtoRodgers
April 15, 2023 at 07:04 pm
"Aaron Rodgers is the scum-sucking elitist."
Oppy,
Such anger and hate?
It seems Aaron Jones and Christian Watson feel much differently about Aaron than you - please see Aaron Jones and Christian's comments on Aaron Rodgers below.
Oppy do you think the difference is because you have never met Aaron Rodgers at all and do not know him and Aaron Jones and Christian Watson on the other hand are his friends and work with him day to day?
Could that be it?
Aaron Jones on Aaron Rodgers March 8, 2023:
"I'm salty," Jones said. "I don't want him to go to Vegas so I would say he could come here (New York). But he's my quarterback. It would be good to see him reunite with (Nathaniel) Hackett (former Packers offensive coordinator and new Jets OC), somebody he knows. But like I said, Aaron Rodgers, please don't go anywhere.
On Wednesday, Jones upped his game.
"I'm on national TV making my case," Jones said. "Other guys are on social media, I'm on national TV. Come back to the Packers, we got everything we need. We're right there, we didn't start off the way we wanted to last year, but we picked it up. You're a huge part of that. Our leader. We got it going. We lost the last game to get into the playoffs. We got everything we need. Let's bring one back to Green Bay."
And then in a segment where the panelists were asked to describe the New York movie they'd use to describe Rodgers becoming a Jet, Jones wrote “Do The Right Thing!”
"You know where home is," Jones said. "You’ve been there for so long. You’re a leader of our team. We’d love to have you back. Just do the right thing and come home."
Packer Management Propaganda from Management paid posters like Coldworld here, vs. the Packer Players SUPPORT for and LOYALTY to Aaron Rodgers.
Here below is Christian Watson IN HIS OWN WORDS on March 23, 2023:
If you love sports, chances are you love speculation. Who’s signing where? Who’s getting traded? Who’s my team going to draft? It can all be a ton of fun. But speculation has an ugly side and we’ve seen it these last few years with Aaron Rodgers. From rumors of trade requests and attempting to get a general manager fired to anger with draft picks and poor relationships with young players, speculation about what goes on in the Green Bay Packers locker room has been wild. That’s why it’s so nice when someone who actually lives it can go on the record and speak to the reality of the situation.
Today on the Rich Eisen Show Green Bay stand out Christian Watson did just that.
Appearing on one of football’s most popular programs, in the middle of the Rodgers trade drama, Watson brought transparency to several topics.
First on Rodgers and the relationship the two shared. Eisen asked about their first meeting and although the narrative has been painted of Rodgers as the grizzly senior bully ready to ignore and demean incoming freshman, Watson painted a fun picture more in line with
Rodgers’ carefree personality.
“I think the first time I saw him he had come through it was right before the mandatory mini camps he came in and he just walked by me and said (jovially) ‘what’s good North Dakota State?’” Continuing on, Watson brushed aside the idea that there was any negativity and credits Rodgers’ openness and confidence as factors in his development and strong second half of the season.“I couldn’t be more thankful for the opportunity to play with him my rookie season and be able to pick his brain. My number one goal going into last year was just to pick the veterans mind as much as possible. You never know when those guys are going to be done or when they’re gonna be gone so I just tried to learn as much as possible from him…Whenever I had a question whenever I had something in my mind even if it seemed like a dumb question he was always open to answering that for me and giving me his mindset on that. I think he helped me develop a lot. I think he helped me gain that confidence that I gained later in the year with his confidence in me.”
And that openness hasn’t stopped. When pressed about the last time he spoke to 12, Watson gave a surprising answer. “Probably a week or two ago just kind of talking to him about off-season stuff.” Watson said. “What can I do to get better and what did you see for me last year that I need to do to improve and stuff like that.”
That’s right, despite the idea that Rodgers is holed up somewhere waiting for a trade away from a place he grew to resent, the truth is he’s out here communicating with people in Green Bay and even helping them out.
Oppy
April 15, 2023 at 07:18 pm
I am actually convinced you might be the only paid poster around here.
I have never in all my years suspected someone is actually being paid to post perspective in an online, fan-based sports forum before, but you've actually got me questioning it.
I've never seen a poster regularly accuse so many others of being "paid to promote" management's "agenda". And I've never seen a single poster just spew- outright spew- multiple comments that are copy and pasted mock ups of the same statements over, and over, and over again.
You are either the world's biggest fanboi, or an arm of a PR firm.
StarrtoRodgers
April 15, 2023 at 07:49 pm
"Aaron Rodgers is the scum-sucking elitist."
Oppy,
Such anger and hate?
Oppy, you completely ignored my 2 logic based questions.
Please take a deep breathe, calm yourself, and read Aaron Jones and Christian Watson's comments below and then please answer my 2 questions.
It seems Aaron Jones and Christian Watson feel much differently about Aaron than you - please see Aaron Jones and Christian's comments on Aaron Rodgers below.
1) Oppy do you think the difference is because you have never met Aaron Rodgers at all and do not know him and Aaron Jones and Christian Watson on the other hand are his friends and work with him day to day?
2) Could that be it?
Aaron Jones on Aaron Rodgers March 8, 2023:
"I'm salty," Jones said. "I don't want him to go to Vegas so I would say he could come here (New York). But he's my quarterback. It would be good to see him reunite with (Nathaniel) Hackett (former Packers offensive coordinator and new Jets OC), somebody he knows. But like I said, Aaron Rodgers, please don't go anywhere.
On Wednesday, Jones upped his game.
"I'm on national TV making my case," Jones said. "Other guys are on social media, I'm on national TV. Come back to the Packers, we got everything we need. We're right there, we didn't start off the way we wanted to last year, but we picked it up. You're a huge part of that. Our leader. We got it going. We lost the last game to get into the playoffs. We got everything we need. Let's bring one back to Green Bay."
And then in a segment where the panelists were asked to describe the New York movie they'd use to describe Rodgers becoming a Jet, Jones wrote “Do The Right Thing!”
"You know where home is," Jones said. "You’ve been there for so long. You’re a leader of our team. We’d love to have you back. Just do the right thing and come home."
Packer Management Propaganda from Management paid posters like Coldworld here, vs. the Packer Players SUPPORT for and LOYALTY to Aaron Rodgers.
Here below is Christian Watson IN HIS OWN WORDS on March 23, 2023:
If you love sports, chances are you love speculation. Who’s signing where? Who’s getting traded? Who’s my team going to draft? It can all be a ton of fun. But speculation has an ugly side and we’ve seen it these last few years with Aaron Rodgers. From rumors of trade requests and attempting to get a general manager fired to anger with draft picks and poor relationships with young players, speculation about what goes on in the Green Bay Packers locker room has been wild. That’s why it’s so nice when someone who actually lives it can go on the record and speak to the reality of the situation.
Today on the Rich Eisen Show Green Bay stand out Christian Watson did just that.
Appearing on one of football’s most popular programs, in the middle of the Rodgers trade drama, Watson brought transparency to several topics.
First on Rodgers and the relationship the two shared. Eisen asked about their first meeting and although the narrative has been painted of Rodgers as the grizzly senior bully ready to ignore and demean incoming freshman, Watson painted a fun picture more in line with
Rodgers’ carefree personality.
“I think the first time I saw him he had come through it was right before the mandatory mini camps he came in and he just walked by me and said (jovially) ‘what’s good North Dakota State?’” Continuing on, Watson brushed aside the idea that there was any negativity and credits Rodgers’ openness and confidence as factors in his development and strong second half of the season.“I couldn’t be more thankful for the opportunity to play with him my rookie season and be able to pick his brain. My number one goal going into last year was just to pick the veterans mind as much as possible. You never know when those guys are going to be done or when they’re gonna be gone so I just tried to learn as much as possible from him…Whenever I had a question whenever I had something in my mind even if it seemed like a dumb question he was always open to answering that for me and giving me his mindset on that. I think he helped me develop a lot. I think he helped me gain that confidence that I gained later in the year with his confidence in me.”
And that openness hasn’t stopped. When pressed about the last time he spoke to 12, Watson gave a surprising answer. “Probably a week or two ago just kind of talking to him about off-season stuff.” Watson said. “What can I do to get better and what did you see for me last year that I need to do to improve and stuff like that.”
That’s right, despite the idea that Rodgers is holed up somewhere waiting for a trade away from a place he grew to resent, the truth is he’s out here communicating with people in Green Bay and even helping them out.
croatpackfan
April 16, 2023 at 11:28 am
""Aaron Rodgers is the scum-sucking elitist."
Oppy,
Such anger and hate?"
No, to paraphrase you: Truth hurts! It is not hate, it is the truth.
CoachJV
April 15, 2023 at 07:38 am
He will make enough this year alone to last a lifetime if he's smart with his investments. So why be greedy? I'm sure a major endorsement is around the corner too... I understand why guys want to get paid top dollar, knowing your worth, etc... but how much money does a simple man really need?
Jones is the heart and soul of the Pack now, as long as he wants to be.
Oppy
April 15, 2023 at 10:29 am
I agree 100% with the sentiment here. However..
NFL players are not simple men, one of the things that differs from a good number of ex-NFL players and simple men are their medical needs.
These guys often destroy their bodies playing this game and frequently go on to live a life filled with specialist doctor appointments, rehab, surgery, and pain management. All things that do not come cheap.
CoachJV
April 15, 2023 at 10:40 am
I understand your sentiment as well, however... guys who climb telephone pole for a career destroy their knees, hips, and ankles for way less money and even less healthcare... so... ???
Oppy
April 15, 2023 at 10:49 am
I spent most of my adult life doing labor jobs, so please understand that I do understand the toll it takes.
It is not the same as what NFL players go through. Regular high impact collisions are not the same as repetitive wear and tear and hard work.
A lot of these young men end up with the bodies of 65 year olds when they're between 30 and 40. Half crippled with 30-40 years of life left to navigate.
It's just not the same.
croatpackfan
April 15, 2023 at 03:38 pm
Oppy, injured NFL players got top medical service while healing. Other, common hard job people do not. They have to pay for medical service!
StarrtoRodgers
April 15, 2023 at 04:08 pm
No Contract, No Insurance: NFL Players Battle for Benefits
Despite emerging from tiny Amherst College, Alex Bernstein had a typical NFL career. He bounced around as a backup for the better part of four seasons before suffering a career-ending injury. What he met upon leaving the NFL was a fight with teams for the benefits that would allow him to live a normal life. In this VICE Sports exclusive he discussed the world of back room handshakes and legal battles that awaits NFL veterans.
New York Times: (February 8, 2023) - of course The New York Times - the Billionaire Parasite Owners' "Ministry of Truth" is owned and controlled like all mass media and all political parties by these parasite Billionaires and spins all stories to favor these exploiting blood sucking money changers:
Ten former N.F.L. players sued Commissioner Roger Goodell and the league’s disability plan and its board members on Thursday, accusing them of systematically denying benefits to the players by lying about and misinterpreting the results of their medical examinations and the plan’s guidelines.
The class action lawsuit, filed in federal court in Maryland, where the N.F.L. Player Retirement Plan has its office, said that purportedly neutral doctors hired by the plan to evaluate the players’ injuries were rewarded with more cases if they denied more claims, all in an effort “to limit the payment of benefits to the very Players whom the Plan was designed to help.”
The lawsuit seeks to have all players who have been denied benefits reassessed and made whole, and for penalties to be assessed against the disability plan and its board members for breaching their fiduciary responsibility to the players and the plan. The players also want the board members to be removed and the plan’s rules to be more strictly enforced.
The lawsuit comes on the heels of a regular season that was in some ways was defined by shocking injuries to players. Damar Hamlin, a Buffalo Bills defensive back, went into cardiac arrest during a game and was on a breathing tube for several days. Miami Dolphins quarterback Tua Tagovailoa suffered 2 concussions and absorbed a third head hit early in the season, which prompted the league and players’ union to revise their protocols for evaluating concussions.
At the same time the six board members — three representing the N.F.L. and three representing the players’ union — claimed that they reviewed medical records to assess cases but often did not, according to the lawsuit.
“I’m trying to look out for all the other guys that have gone through this and gotten the short end of the stick with these evaluations,” said Eric Smith a defensive back for the Jets for seven seasons and one of the 10 players who filed the suit.
The high-profile injuries prompted a re-examination within the league and widely among fans of the brutality of the game as well as the measures designed to minimize injuries.
The lawsuit filed by the 10 former players, including running back Willis McGahee and the 11-year cornerback Mike McKenzie, highlighted the resources available to retired players who have for decades complained that they have been unfairly denied collectively bargained benefits.
Some players who have had their total and permanent disability claims approved have sued the plan because they believed they were shorted out of thousands of dollars a month. According to another court filing cited in the suit, only 30 out of thousands of former players received the highest benefits worth $265,000 per year. The lowest tier of the plan awards $65,000 per year.
The league and union have noted that the benefits available to retired players have been expanded in collective bargaining agreements over the years and now include neurocognitive benefits, enhanced pensions and five years of health insurance.
At a news conference in Glendale, Ariz., on Wednesday, a day before the lawsuit was filed, Goodell, the nonvoting chairman of the disability board, echoed the position of the league and the union that player claims were evaluated independently. It was important to properly avoid mistakes in processing claims, he said, “because it takes away from people who do qualify.”
“You’re always going to have people who may think they qualify for it,” Goodell added. “But I would tell you, the benefits in the N.F.L. are off the charts.”
In response to the lawsuit, Brian McCarthy, a league spokesman, said that the disability plan will pay out more than $330 million in benefits this year, and there is no cap on how much the plan can spend. He called the disability plan “fair” and said the “board reviews the activities of the office and operation of the benefit program, including every contested application for benefits to ensure that retired players who are entitled to disability benefits receive them as intended.”
The players’ association did not comment.
According to the lawsuit, the issue is not the benefits available to players, but the roadblocks to receiving them. The suit includes information about hundreds of cases handled by the lawyers representing the 10 plaintiffs. Collectively, they say the results show that doctors had conflicts of interest: Doctors who had been paid more money by the plan also had the highest denial rates, according to the lawsuit.
Doctors who approved a higher percentage of players claims made far less, the lawsuit said.
The implication is that the doctors with high denial rates received more cases to evaluate. But the filings do not include a full accounting of all the disability cases handled under the plan.
One neuropsychologist hired by the retirement plan and who examined Lance Zeno, a former offensive lineman and one of the plaintiffs, received at least $1,105,120 in compensation yet rejected more than 90 percent of the applicants he saw.
When McKenzie, who played for the Green Bay Packers and New Orleans Saints, applied for disability benefits in 2018, he was evaluated by an orthopedist hired by the plan who denied every one of the 17 players he saw, according to the lawsuit.
Smith, who retired in 2013, has damaged knees and shoulders, and has been unable to work. When he applied for disability benefits in 2018, he was told to fly from his home in New Jersey to see a doctor in North Carolina who, he said, spent 10 minutes evaluating him. The doctor did not include in his report Smith’s “decreased shoulder range of motion, rotator cuff weakness, and moderate to severe shoulder arthritis” and did not recognize Smith’s head, neck, and spinal damage.
The doctor was paid at least $1,811,566 by the retirement plan and rejected all seven of the players he evaluated, the lawsuit said.
The low approval rates have led Smith to question whether the N.F.L. is being sincere about offering benefits to retired players.
“They portrayed this image like, ‘we care about the players, we’re doing all this stuff for player safety,’” Smith said. “And then as soon as you’re not on the roster making them any money playing out on the field, they’re like, ‘OK, we’ll give you five years of insurance, now go leave us alone.’”
Oppy
April 15, 2023 at 08:13 pm
During their careers, Yes.
After their careers, they're pretty much on their own, and they often require far more medical services than the average blue collar worker.
StarrtoRodgers
April 15, 2023 at 10:51 am
Both should be shown the highest level of respect.
The value is brought by THE PEOPLE (the players in the arena) that cripple themselves for life just to enrich these Parasite Billionaire Owners and the athletically talentless computer key tapping, pencil pushing, stuffed suit, otherwise empty life management parasites that lives off these players blood and sweat put out for our entertainment.
And the athletically talentless wanna be arm chair GMs – with their empty lives - that post to these websites whining about the “spoiled” athletes are of the same ilk – church ladies living though gossip and drinking down Packer management propaganda and repeating it like unimaginative, unquestioning, un-critical thinking PARROTS..
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat. Shame on the man of cultivated taste who lets refinement to develop in to fastidiousness that unfits him for doing the rough work of a work day world."
Brian - AND THE PACKER "SUITS" - view Aaron and the other players as the ENEMY.
But "IT IS ABOUT THE PEOPLE" as Aaron tried to point out to Brian, the young pup who is expert at shuffling paper and calculating numbers from the security and safety of his office. .
Oppy
April 15, 2023 at 11:01 am
"Brian - AND THE PACKER "SUITS" - view Aaron and the other players as the ENEMY."
Now I'm starting to REALLY wonder if you're a puppet for AR's PR team.
Johnblood27
April 15, 2023 at 07:40 am
More on Aaron Jones...
Less on the other double A guy...
Jones' character wasn't developed in a locker room by his "buddies". He was raised in a military family with strong parents. He has a twin brother that played linebacker with him at UTEP. More of his background please. Aaron Jones is the type of person I would love to have live in my neighborhood.
Plus, I love the sombrero!
PatrickGB
April 15, 2023 at 08:13 am
John, I was raised by a NCO and spent 22 years on active duty. These “Military Brats” are gold! Yet they are also rare in today’s society.
KnockTheSnotOutOfYou
April 15, 2023 at 10:16 am
Very true!
Father retired from military after multiple overseas duty. In the meantime, I traveled the world and went to 13 schools by the time I graduated from H.S. Multiple brothers in military with one retiring as Sargent Major. As Johnny said, I would love a happy down-to-earth guy like AJ living in my neighborhood regardless of his football background.
Oppy
April 15, 2023 at 10:32 am
Not all military brats are gold.
I work with one from time to time, and he's one of the most self-centered, soft, cringe-worthy humans I've ever had to work with.
KnockTheSnotOutOfYou
April 15, 2023 at 11:51 am
Yes, unfortunately true! Many things in society have changed over the years for both good & bad!
jannesbjornson
April 15, 2023 at 11:59 am
One of these guys just played games with Military Secrets in an ANG assignment on the Cape.
dobber
April 16, 2023 at 09:28 am
The character of the individual is still the duty and responsibility of the individual, regardless of upbringing and circumstance.
PatrickGB
April 15, 2023 at 07:45 am
While I agree that he is a great teammate and model player I am not sure if he fits the definition of leader. Don’t get me wrong, I LOVE the guy. Maybe I am a stickler on definitions but I think he fits the role of a very supportive teammate rather than a leader of men. Lewis was more of a leader type. Someone who others listen to and learn from. The guys who get elected as captains are more of the leader type. However, Jones has set an example that we as fans love!
KnockTheSnotOutOfYou
April 15, 2023 at 10:18 am
P,
Not sure why the downvotes, but I certainly understand what you are attempting to say.
PatrickGB
April 15, 2023 at 11:21 am
I think that I may have offended some reader in the past. However, I have been told that some of my posts have been difficult to read. I own that.
Since'61
April 15, 2023 at 08:01 am
Jones is a potential leader for the offense. However the Packers desperately need a leader on defense. A Ray Nitschke or Reggie White type of player who can rally the defense to make a stop or a big play at a critical point in the game. The Packers have not had a player like that since Woodson left the team in 2012. Before that we need to go back to the Reggie White/Leroy Butler era. Beyond that all the way back to Nitschke in the 60s.
If the Packers bring back Mercedes Lewis he is also a good leader in the locker room.
The Packers also need leadership from the coaching staff and I'm hoping now that Bisaccia has been promoted to Assistant HC he can provide some leadership to the offense and defense besides STs. Hopefully Matt Lachooch's seat is getting warm with Bissacia as Assistant HC. Thanks, Since '61
PatrickGB
April 15, 2023 at 08:09 am
61, I got the feeling (and could be wrong) that Amos could have been a leader type guy on defense. Yet with uncertainty on defensive schemes I don’t think he was able to say much. I only have locker room interviews to go by. Like you, I think and hope that Rich B. is able to put a bit more umpfh into the coaching staff and players.
CoachJV
April 15, 2023 at 08:33 am
If LAF's seat gets warm, he invited it. Promoting Rich was HIS idea in order to keep him.
The only thing I think LAF is guilty of is playing softball with ARod and not putting his foot down on ARod's BS at the line of scrimmage.
TxFred
April 15, 2023 at 10:05 am
I am sooo fed up with AR's 3rd &short damn "hero ball" antics. With Jones & Dillon we should almost never turn the ball over. Run the ball, make the O line BLOCK & make the opposition actually try to TACKLE Jones & Dillion.
Oppy
April 15, 2023 at 10:35 am
Aaron Jones has a ball security issue that nobody talks about.
He has been fortunate that most are recovered immediately or go out of bounds.
While he's not dropping the ball like Ahman Green, he's not exactly the most secure ball carrier, either.
Since'61
April 15, 2023 at 11:02 am
The problem with running the ball is that the Packers OL is often outmatched and fails to win the LOS. They are not a very physical OL especially against playoff defensive teams such as the Bucs in 2020 playoff loss and the 49ers in the 2021 playoff loss. Also the Packers compound their OL issues by making poor decisions with putting OLs out of position in playoff games and playing musical OLs for the first 5-6 games of the 2022 season.
Offensive coaching beginning with Matt LaChooch and the OL coaches has been a concern for a few seasons.
Thanks, Since '61
PackyCheese500
April 15, 2023 at 10:19 am
Not only that, but MLF's retention of Barry warmed up his seat a lot.
Oppy
April 15, 2023 at 11:09 am
I've proposed this in the past, but what if Matt LaFleur isn't the one that has kept Barry around?
We know Murphy didn't allow his GM to hire his own HC; we have strong indications that Russ Ball doesn't make contract moves based on the GM's plan but rather Murphy has the final say...
Maybe Murphy is the one who's saying "Barry stays."
It's crazy to say this, but with what we know and have seen lately.. it's actually a possibility.
PackyCheese500
April 15, 2023 at 12:29 pm
Given the Mo Drayton situation and MLF's public defense of Barry, IMO I doubt it.
Oppy
April 15, 2023 at 12:32 pm
If your boss tells you this guy is the DC in 2023, do you think MLF would get up infront of the press and say if he had his way, he'd have fired Barry?
Tundraboy
April 15, 2023 at 07:49 pm
That's for sure!
Since'61
April 15, 2023 at 11:08 am
CoachJV Matt LaChooch is also guilty of poor decisions with playing OLs out of position, playing musical OLs, retaining Joe Barry as DC, promoting MO Drayton to ST coach in 2021, poor in game decisions and lack of adjustments, poor game preparation and planning, allowing AR to continue to play when it was obvious that his thumb injury was impacting his play. All of this is in addition to his inability to handle Rodgers.
Maybe after 4 seasons he is moving closer to becoming an actual NFL HC but I'm not counting on it.
Thanks, Since '61
LambeauPlain
April 15, 2023 at 02:50 pm
I agree, after 4 seasons I have not seen much growth in MLF. I also believe he is very timid when it comes to personnel management, does not seem to be very interested in D and STs, and seems downright cowardly when needing to fire coaches who fail at their job.
And I have been disappointed in how intimidated he has been by Rodgers.
Keeping Barry Ball for the sake of "continuity" was a very weak endorsements of Joe, whose players obviously were not buying into his coaching. Virtually every starter from '21 who played last season, regressed. Is that just an amazing coincidence...or is it coaching malfeasance? Ask Coach Gray.
MLF certainly knows this. SMH.
Tundraboy
April 15, 2023 at 07:53 pm
I suppose I could be proven wrong but I don't think Timid and the words Green Bay Packer Head Coach should ever be used in the same sentence.
PackyCheese500
April 15, 2023 at 10:23 am
Totally agree.
Part of me is hoping that Rich B is the HC of the Packers ini 2024...
jannesbjornson
April 15, 2023 at 12:05 pm
Sooner,or later, it all gets real: "It was so bad and distasteful with Rodgers that anything is better," the executive said to The Athletic's Mike Sando. "It's like divorce. It doesn't matter. 'Get me the hell out of here.'
That said, they have no idea what world they are walking into.”
Oppy
April 15, 2023 at 12:43 pm
From the same article you seem to be quoting:
Zack Gelb reports, "I was told Aaron Rodgers and Matt LaFleur would have game plan meetings to give Rodgers more say.
Sometimes Rodgers would show to the meeting and other times he would just leave Matt sitting there with no word that Aaron wasn’t going to show up. "
I have a pretty strong sense the Packers know exactly what world they are walking into, and they're both eager for it and relieved to get there.
Johnblood27
April 15, 2023 at 11:00 pm
Brian Noble was a very good character guy and a good leader but on a shitty team with some shitty teammates.
Just because some teams didn't win a lot of games doesn't make the players on those teams lesser in character.
dobber
April 16, 2023 at 09:27 am
Hear here!
stockholder
April 15, 2023 at 08:11 am
You talk leader. I’ll talk stats!
2022 - 5 fumbles 3 LST. - Career 13 fumbles - 7 LST
He’s going into his 7th season.
GP 86 Att 1035 for 5,284 Rushing
And the really interesting stat is Receiving.
242 REC 321 TGTS 1843yds.
But My concern is the 2022 stats.
Frankly the TDs and fumbles.
2 TDs rushing is: A all -Time Low.
5 Fumbles = 3 rushing 1 LST and 2 rec. - 2 LST
Another All Time High.
If he’s the leader - He must reverse the TDS and Fumbles.
Become more clutch. Walk the walk.
And when he plays the Lions. Show up.
CoachJV
April 15, 2023 at 08:29 am
Before you blame Jones and rely on your "stats"... ask yourself if those "stats" include bad field position, ARod changing the play, Arod throwing into his feet or over his head, bone-head play calls, and being asked to run empty routes while AJ was getting stuffed on the line? Do your stats include those factors?
stockholder
April 15, 2023 at 10:21 am
There is No blame.
Stats are like Bowling.
It's either a point.
Or it isn't.
croatpackfan
April 15, 2023 at 03:46 pm
One stat for you: 8-9 w/double loss to lowly Lions.
packer132
April 15, 2023 at 08:30 am
Another "what?" post by SH, or Mr. Negative of the Cheesehead site. The black cloud is alive and kicking in your world.
stockholder
April 15, 2023 at 10:16 am
I'm No Parrot. I'm telling you my concerns.
Don't look at it like negativity but honesty.
Johnblood27
April 15, 2023 at 11:02 pm
how about we agree on things being your opinion, which you are entitled to.
I will not go so far as to allow you to claim truth for your opinions.
Oppy
April 15, 2023 at 10:38 am
I agree with the fumbles.
However, the TDs? I think that's a function of the plays being executed in the Red Zone.
Barring injury, I expect Jones' TD numbers to skyrocket in 2023- because I think Jordan Love will trust his team mates and run the offense as it's designed and called.
stockholder
April 15, 2023 at 11:12 am
In 2019 he had 16 TDs. The following year 9.
What changed with MLF ?
Or did they rely too much on Dillion?
I don't think this has anything to do with Love or Rodgers.
Oppy
April 15, 2023 at 12:23 pm
Jones' production hasn't been an issue:
2019:
4.6 YPC on 236 Rush Attempts 15 TDs
9.7 YPR on 49 Receptions (60 targets) 3 TDs
2022:
5.3 YPC on 213 Rush Attempts 2 TDs
6.7 YPR on 59 Receptions (65 targets) 5 TDs
I have a feeling how and where Jones is being utilized has more to do with the TDs than the talent.
stockholder
April 15, 2023 at 02:12 pm
No- the production isn't the issue.
The Fumbles were.
I brought up the TDs; because of
Jones staying a threat, with every touch.
Staying clutch is what he has to do!
Johnblood27
April 15, 2023 at 11:05 pm
he does need to fix the fumbles.
He also needs to be used in more positive situations.
A few more 3rd down runs, a few more outside zones on first down instead of over the center plays.
He is a change of pace kind of guy, he needs to be given the ball in non-traditional situations to be effective. That hasn't happened in the past couple seasons.
dobber
April 16, 2023 at 09:35 am
We've asked since Dillon was drafted for him to be the primary short-yardage and goal-line back. That finally happened more in 2022--he spiked 7 rushing TDs in 2022.
jannesbjornson
April 15, 2023 at 02:16 pm
Two in the NFCCH game and the Church Ladies denigrate Rodgers. "Just the Facts, Ma'am."
Oppy
April 15, 2023 at 08:00 pm
One of Jones' fumbles was inconsequential, the other led to 7 pts for TB.
That is true. Jones' fumble did contribute to the Packers loss.
Neither one of those fumbles, however, have anything to do with Rodgers' performance in the 4th Q.
In a 23-28 ballgame, The 4th Q opens with Jaire Alexander stopping 2 back to back TB drives via interception. Rodgers and the offense go three-and-out on both of those drives. Both drives featured deep shots (1st and 10, and 2nd and 10, respectively) and both drives featured sacks.
All in all.. in the 4th Q, Rodgers went 4-of-11 for 54 yards (QBR of 52.8) and could only lead the offense to 3 points vs. the Bucs in a game they were trailing by less than a TD.
"Just the facts, ma'am."
BA4Packers
April 15, 2023 at 08:20 am
If only Rodgers took a pay cut. Not sure he’d still be a leader tho…
stockholder
April 15, 2023 at 02:14 pm
Rodgers offered to take a cut to keep his friends.
Instead; that No longer was the case.
croatpackfan
April 15, 2023 at 03:51 pm
you're dreaming
Aaron Choker Rodgers would never take paycut. And his so called friends knows that. It is all exclusively on and for him.
Packerpasty
April 15, 2023 at 07:19 pm
your a little out of whack there pard...nutty as can be, maybe it was the hatred...what ever, your laughable anyways..
Johnblood27
April 15, 2023 at 11:07 pm
fine one to talk there, patsy...
croatpackfan
April 16, 2023 at 11:30 am
At least, as I can conclude from your post, you got good laugh. Appreciate that...
StarrtoRodgers
April 15, 2023 at 09:22 am
Less than 6 months ago, why were the Packers players on the field able to work together to go 13-3, 13-3, 13-4 and 3-1 - generating more wins and less losses over this 53 game period than any of the other 31 NFL teams - until Rodgers broke his thumb?
Specifically which players on the field were most important in sustaining this long period of on the field excellence generating more wins and less losses over this 53 game period than any of the other 31 NFL teams - until Rodgers broke his thumb?
Oppy
April 15, 2023 at 10:39 am
Ask this question again at the end of 2023
I have a feeling you might have to re-evaluate your answer
StarrtoRodgers
April 15, 2023 at 10:44 am
"Ask this question again at the end of 2023
I have a feeling you might have to re-evaluate your answer"
Oppy,
I just provided 2 questions, Oppy, what are the answers?:
1) Less than 6 months ago, why were the Packers players on the field able to work together to go 13-3, 13-3, 13-4 and 3-1 - generating more wins and less losses over this 53 game period than any of the other 31 NFL teams - until Rodgers broke his thumb?
2) Specifically which players on the field were most important in sustaining this long period of on the field excellence generating more wins and less losses over this 53 game period than any of the other 31 NFL teams - until Rodgers broke his thumb?
Oppy
April 15, 2023 at 10:55 am
Rodgers' ego was the deciding factor in the shitty result of the 2022 offense, as well as the driving factor in playoff exits the previous two seasons.
There's more than one way to skin a cat, a lesson most GB fans can't comprehend. Watch what happens when the QB plays within the offense and trusts the players around him to work together to win as a team. You're going to be surprised.
Rodgers is old news. On to the future. Hopefully, we have another 6-10 year window before we have to deal with a narcissistic diva again.
StarrtoRodgers
April 15, 2023 at 11:27 am
Oppy, I asked:
1) Less than 6 months ago, why were the Packers players on the field able to work together to go 13-3, 13-3, 13-4 and 3-1 - generating more wins and less losses over this 53 game period than any of the other 31 NFL teams - until Rodgers broke his thumb?
2) Specifically which players on the field were most important in sustaining this long period of on the field excellence generating more wins and less losses over this 53 game period than any of the other 31 NFL teams - until Rodgers broke his thumb?
What are the answers?
KnockTheSnotOutOfYou
April 15, 2023 at 11:49 am
Oppy,
Couldn't agree with you more!
"Rodgers is old news. On to the future". Let's all just focus on the future & quit constantly pissing & moaning about the past. There is no upside to constantly regurgitating the same thing over and over.
Johnblood27
April 15, 2023 at 11:10 pm
what a completely stoopid premise.
A future HOF QB leads his team to regular season victories.
A broken down has-been fails to lead his team to regular season victories.
How in the hell is that any players fault except for the broken down has-been?
I will submit that an up and coming 3rd year talented QB could have done better than the broken down has-been who couldnt even beat the freakin Detroit Lions once he was healed!
If Love would have started after the giants game I submit that the Packers would have made the playoffs.
That is every bit as provable as your absurd statement.
TarynsEyes
April 15, 2023 at 09:39 am
AJ is not the leader Cory is attempting to make him out to be. Settling for less than you wanted is not acting truthfully in the best interest of the team, but a compelled acceptance for what you couldn't get elsewhere. That is not the negotiation of a team leader, and to put his name alongside of Brady, who always took less from the start, is disrespectful to Brady, and totally disingenuous to the premise of the article.
I'm not saying AJ isn't a good guy, or perhaps came to the conclusion that taking that deal would help the team, however, as the saying goes in this instance, everything 'AFTER' but is bs. He wanted more from the start, a leader, as Cory assumes AJ is, would have offered and taken less from the start, not after realizing he wouldn't get his ask, anywhere.
Lastly, children of military parents aren't immune from greed, and AJ was greedy in his salary request, then took the PR route to erase the sound of his greed. He's a solid player on both fields of play, the gridiron and public relations. One is legit, and one is bs.
LambeauPlain
April 15, 2023 at 10:09 am
AJ shows up to camp in shape. Aaron practices as urgently as he plays. He gives 100% on every play...you see his effort on the field. When he makes a mistake (IE fumbles), he takes responsibility and is accountable. He plays hurt. He works out with his QB in the offseason. He is humble and hungry. He earns respect from teammates and coaches and opponents who praise him often. And I am certain when he speaks up, people listen.
That is leadership. I do not know if he is Mr. Vocal and a rah rah guy behind the closed locker room doors. But that is not required for leaders. See Bart Starr.
PatrickGB
April 15, 2023 at 11:25 am
Agree. Starr was the epitome of leadership.
Packerpasty
April 15, 2023 at 10:26 am
Here's a little blurb about AJ in the U.P. yesterday.....""IRONWOOD, Mich. (WLUC) - Past and present Green Bay Packer players made a pitstop at Stormy Kromer for a shopping spree.
The stop was part of the annual Green Bay Packers Tailgate Tour. One player says it’s an opportunity to connect with fans.
“That’s why I’m here, just to spread the love. The fans support me, and this is a way I can give it back to them,” said Aaron Jones, Green Bay Packers running back.
Jones said his favorite part about being a Packer is the community. He has partnered with Stormy Kromer to promote the brand and thank it for its support.
“They keep me fitted for games, keeping me warm up here in this cold weather in Wisconsin. They also keep my family warm for games. It has been a blessing to have this relationship and become family,” Jones said.
Stormy Kromer Chairman Bob Jacquart said he has loved building a connection with Jones and the Packers.
“For anyone that wants to know... Aaron is a really cool dude,” Jacquart said. “I have met with him a few times. He is the most polite young man that I have ever met, really.”
Joining Jones on the tailgate tour are teammates Elgton Jenkins and Romeo Doubs, plus former Packers Eddie Lacy, Davon House and Ha Ha Clinton-Dix.
croatpackfan
April 15, 2023 at 03:58 pm
"plus former Packers Eddie Lacy, Davon House and Ha Ha Clinton-Dix."
Wait! Wait! WAIT!
I thought Packers has no respect for players. What Eddy, Davon and Ha-Ha doing on Packers tailgate tour.
We heard from mister "honesty/I'm immunized" that Packers treat players like garbage. I have to believe him. He is so honest all the time. THAN WHAT FORMER PACKERS PLAYERS DO ON PACKERS TAILGATE TOUR?
PASSdaRELISH
April 15, 2023 at 10:45 am
I wish the league would implement some sort of individual players salary cap. Maybe by way of percentage? It would realistically only affect the QB’s. I think that every QB feeling they need to make more than the last contract signed, mostly based on potential rather than results, is ridiculous. I can’t see why the vast majority of players wouldn’t like it since it would mean more money for them?
StarrtoRodgers
April 15, 2023 at 10:47 am
1) Less than 6 months ago, why were the Packers players on the field able to work together to go 13-3, 13-3, 13-4 and 3-1 - generating more wins and less losses over this 53 game period than any of the other 31 NFL teams - until Rodgers broke his thumb?
2) Specifically which players on the field were most important in sustaining this long period of on the field excellence generating more wins and less losses over this 53 game period than any of the other 31 NFL teams - until Rodgers broke his thumb?
What are the answers?
Oppy
April 15, 2023 at 10:57 am
Are you really going to copy and paste the exact same comment multiple times on different posts?
dobber
April 15, 2023 at 12:01 pm
He's the equivalent of the "prove me wrong" meme of the guy sitting behind a table with a smarmy grin, seeking to set all of the parameters and completely control the narrative. There's no conversation. There's no discussion.
It's the most offensive waste of space I've seen on CHTV (or AllGBP) in a long time.
StarrtoRodgers
April 15, 2023 at 12:21 pm
"There's no conversation. There's no discussion."
No conversation? No discussion? That's because you do not wish to address REALITY and answer 2 simple questions on the Packers unmatched success over 53 games less than 6 months ago:
1) Less than 6 months ago, why were the Packers players on the field able to work together to go 13-3, 13-3, 13-4 and 3-1 - generating more wins and less losses over this 53 game period than any of the other 31 NFL teams - until Rodgers broke his thumb?
2) Specifically which players on the field were most important in sustaining this long period of on the field excellence generating more wins and less losses over this 53 game period than any of the other 31 NFL teams - until Rodgers broke his thumb?
What are the answers?
That starts the discussion and conversation.
croatpackfan
April 15, 2023 at 04:06 pm
I know that he lost every important game of his career. Except one, when team brought him to win in SB he claimed it is because of him. 2014 he had all "weapons" on his dispisal and still manage to lose game st Seattle scoring just one TD from 8 red zone possesions.
It is not up to Bostick, or D (btw D get 5 INT that night, ST forced fumble at 7 yards of the Seattle end zone - he threw INT on that try!) or ST. It was as every year on him, choker and soul stealer primadona!
Johnblood27
April 15, 2023 at 11:17 pm
hey douchnozzle... Mr everything AR LOST TO THE GIANTS before he hurt his little thumby.
He choked up a nice halftime lead by leading his team to exactly NOTHING in the second half of that game before he was forced to try a hail mary and got his little digit twisted.
Esplain that Lucy...
13TimeChamps
April 15, 2023 at 11:22 am
The article is about Aaron JONES. Try and stay focused.
StarrtoRodgers
April 15, 2023 at 11:35 am
The article is about player leadership, see if you can answer the 2 simple questions:
1) Less than 6 months ago, why were the Packers players on the field able to work together to go 13-3, 13-3, 13-4 and 3-1 - generating more wins and less losses over this 53 game period than any of the other 31 NFL teams - until Rodgers broke his thumb?
2) Specifically which players on the field were most important in sustaining this long period of on the field excellence generating more wins and less losses over this 53 game period than any of the other 31 NFL teams - until Rodgers broke his thumb?
What are the answers?
13TimeChamps
April 15, 2023 at 11:46 am
Are you this redundant and tedious in real life or just when you get online?
StarrtoRodgers
April 15, 2023 at 11:52 am
"Are you this redundant......"
Are you this evasive in "real life". 2 simple questions:
1) Less than 6 months ago, why were the Packers players on the field able to work together to go 13-3, 13-3, 13-4 and 3-1 - generating more wins and less losses over this 53 game period than any of the other 31 NFL teams - until Rodgers broke his thumb?
2) Specifically which players on the field were most important in sustaining this long period of on the field excellence generating more wins and less losses over this 53 game period than any of the other 31 NFL teams - until Rodgers broke his thumb?
What are the answers?
Oppy
April 15, 2023 at 11:52 am
LIterally reposting the same post at least 6 times in less than 3 hours.
You are either paid to spam pro-rodgers messages or you are one attention starved Rodgers fan.
StarrtoRodgers
April 15, 2023 at 11:59 am
""Pro-rodgers" messages"
The simple questions are not about Rodgers, they are about the Packers players - 1 of which is Rodgers and 52 others - and their unmatched success over 53 games as of just 6 months ago. What is your difficulty in directly answering these 2 simple questions?
1) Less than 6 months ago, why were the Packers players on the field able to work together to go 13-3, 13-3, 13-4 and 3-1 - generating more wins and less losses over this 53 game period than any of the other 31 NFL teams - until Rodgers broke his thumb?
2) Specifically which players on the field were most important in sustaining this long period of on the field excellence generating more wins and less losses over this 53 game period than any of the other 31 NFL teams - until Rodgers broke his thumb?
What are the answers?
Oppy
April 15, 2023 at 12:29 pm
The questions aren't about Rodgers, huh? Now you're just bald-faced lying.
The answer is I hope you have a great time wearing your gotham green #12 jersey in 2023.
croatpackfan
April 15, 2023 at 04:07 pm
I got it Oppy. He is Aaron Choker Rodgers!
StarrtoRodgers
April 15, 2023 at 04:16 pm
There is nothing about Rodgers in these 2 simple questions. Yet somehow you can't answer these simple questions.
1) Less than 6 months ago, why were the Packers players on the field able to work together to go 13-3, 13-3, 13-4 and 3-1 - generating more wins and less losses over this 53 game period than any of the other 31 NFL teams - until Rodgers broke his thumb?
2) Specifically which players on the field were most important in sustaining this long period of on the field excellence generating more wins and less losses over this 53 game period than any of the other 31 NFL teams - until Rodgers broke his thumb?
Oppy
April 15, 2023 at 07:19 pm
"I'm not Touching you! I'm not touching you! I'm not touching you!"
Johnblood27
April 15, 2023 at 11:18 pm
I have an answer that you deserve...
1) FUCK!
2) YOU!
done.
Matt
April 15, 2023 at 12:04 pm
It is not even about this pay cut/restructure. Jones talks and acts like a true leader. As a fan I feel like he is doing everything for the Packers to succeed and it it gives me a mental comfort. With all the respect for Rodgers I wish he sent the same signals for teammates and fans as Jones does. I've played in various teams as an amateur and I always wanted to play with people who may have less talent but are 100% commited, dedicated to the team and focused on common goal. I've had many very talented colleagues but I could never be sure what to expect from those who are not totally in. They were like fireworks - spectacular boom for a while but long silence after. Jones is a combination of both - talented and committed. When he signed new contract I wasn't sure if it was good for the team. More, I thought we should have kept Williams for maybe little less production but much cheaper. Now I see the full picture. He is needed as a leader.
Spawny
April 15, 2023 at 02:17 pm
Amazing...
Not a single comment about how managment threatened to cut Jones before he renegotiated his contract...
Self preservation doesn't equal leadership.
Jones is a well mannered good guy. When has he stepped up and won a critical game? Instead I remember critical fumbles at crucial times. But JennerJohn decided to write about anyone other than Rodgers.
I get it... management is selling player dislike for Rodgers. Love is the starting quarterback without earning the position. Rodgers is the villian because Murphy and Gutekunst want to move on. LaFleur is the lap dog knowing Bisacia is the next in line. Jones is the puppet the front office is using to say "this is our true leader. Who needs Rodgers?"
JennerJohn writes what the front office demands he write.
Green Bay is starting to smell very gamey.
StarrtoRodgers
April 15, 2023 at 03:10 pm
Spawny,
I don't think you are far off in Packer Management attempting to use Aaron Jones like a porch/house slave.
That said, Aaron Jones, like all the Packers players - did you hear Christian Watson recently - spoke very highly of Rodgers having helped them and continuing to help them even now and in support of Aaron returning.
In fact, Aaron Jones came on NFL Network and was very vocal and asking Aaron Rodgers to come back.
No one here wishes to answer my 2 simple questions, Maybe you can take a shot at them:
1) Less than 6 months ago, why were the Packers players on the field able to work together to go 13-3, 13-3, 13-4 and 3-1 - generating more wins and less losses over this 53 game period than any of the other 31 NFL teams - until Rodgers broke his thumb?
2) Specifically which players on the field were most important in sustaining this long period of on the field excellence generating more wins and less losses over this 53 game period than any of the other 31 NFL teams - until Rodgers broke his thumb?
What are the answers?
Spawny
April 15, 2023 at 02:49 pm
Will someone please flush the floaters in managements toilets. I stated "gamey". I meant "rank".
Murphy is out of town stinking his way throughout Wisconsin. The least he could do is lower the lid before he left. Gutekunst is dizzy inhaling the stench and thinks he will get a first round picker. LaFleur already said Rodgers did nice things for his family. His reward, a Raider special teams coach is now calling the shots.
Has it ever dawned on anyone that the Packers can't run the ball when they need to? How many 3rd and ones or 4th and ones do you need to see? This is not a power football team. They are finesse because of Rodgers skillset and mind. This is where the Love leaves the building. Quadzilla has had one, I repeat one, decent game in his career. Jones is a slasher. He performs because Rodgers spreads the field. But, Love is the man. What a farce.....
Where are the veterans? They know!!!! Bachtiari is gone before the end of this draft. Jenkins is crippled and will stay at guard until he is no longer useful. This first round defense, ha ha ha clintondixs. Next in line to go will be Alexander for questioning Bruce Berry. Amos is gone. A victim of Bruce Berry. Amos go load that econoline van.
Who is left on defense? Gary? Injured. Aaron Donalds clone? Pure bullshit comparison. Too small to play nose tackle. Move him to defensive end. Aaron Donald he is not.
Gutekunst and Murphy have destroyed the Packers.
What the hell, we have Love. 5-12 is coming. Followed by 6-11. Then a complete new front office. Gutekunst is already looking for a new job. Murphy doesn't care. He is shitting his way through northern Wisconsin.
Stop drafting crap from the Pig Ten.
Oppy
April 15, 2023 at 08:05 pm
I'm predicting GB goes 11-6 in 2023.
You predict GB goes 5-12 in 2023.
I'll be here if GB goes 5-12.
Will you be here if GB goes 11-6?
We both know the answer..
Spawny
April 17, 2023 at 04:18 am
Oppy,
You know nothing about me. Furthermore your assumptions are ignorant. I was born in 1954. By 1959 I was a Packerholic.
My father was a coach. I was brought up with all the cliches and expectations of being a coaches son.
In turn I have played at the collegiate level and coached after graduation. I have three beautiful young adults who all played sports and won state championships in the sport they chose to participate in. "There is no cake for second place." (Henry Iba)
My second profession became construction. I have worked on sporting venues throughout the world. I have sat in meetings with ESPN, FOX, ABC, CBS, NBC, Olympics. Television dictates illuminance. I have sat in meetings with management. Suns, Diamondbacks, Cardinals, Coyotes, Rockies, Nuggets, Broncos, Avalance, Giants, Warriors, Sharks, Rams, Seahawks, Trail Blazers, Astros, Texans, Pirates, Penguins, Madison Square Garden, Yankees, Packers, Timberwolves, Bears etc.etc. Beijing, Sydney.....
Management is not infallible. In fact they are often clueless.
I once did an air traffic control tower in LED that mimics the moon. Sliver, Quarter, Half, Full...
The lighting totaled fourteen million USD for white light.
During the walk through the owner said, "I really like what you've done. BUT... We would like the moon to be Saudi Green."
I replied..."The illuminance is as specified for white light. I'm sure you understand that Green light will require far more lamps and a complete different drill pattern to accomplish what you are asking for. If you want green LED, we will have to take off the copper cladding and replace it with new cladding with a completely different drill pattern. In addition we will need to redesign the tower completely to accomodate the larger annunciators needed to power the LEDs. Not to mention doubling the fiber optics needed. In addition we will have to relabor the job and charge you for the new design. I can only give you an estimate but I'm guessing the change order will be in the neighborhood of an additional twenty million dollars.
The owner looked me directly in the eye and stated. "We must have Saudi green."
Owners are not infallible.
So now you know why King Abdulaziz International Airport has an air traffic control tower that has a green moon on it. You also know why a three year job took five years to complete.
Contrary to your ignorant supposition that I will not be cheering for the Packers.
NickPerry
April 15, 2023 at 02:58 pm
“I didn't want to be greedy," said Aaron Jones recently. “I’m a team player. I want to help the team and help them get as many guys in here as we can. So, if that means freeing up a little money, then I will.”
(Nick Perry Clapping Hands)
IMO that couldn't be MORE of a direct shot at Aaron Rodgers. Adams was gone last year, more players this year, and the lack of any money to bring in frankly anybody who could make a difference are all a result of that contract. Granted, the Packers (Murphy) really screwed the pooch when they gave a 38 year QB with a HISTORY of throwing players and coaches under the bus and frankly, getting a little weirder and weirder each season a contract like that and didn't trade his ass LAST year when they could have REALLY helped this team in the future.
I mean WHO would go on MacAfee and talk about the bowel movements one had after a cleanse? A God Damn WEIRDO that's who. Playing in such a small city like Green Bay and being thought of as almost God like, (Football God) and having worked with a smallish group of media people the last 18 years has dulled him. Personally I'm excited to see him go HOPEULLY to New York and deal with the NY Media. ESPECIALLY if he doesn't win as much as expected or starts throwing others like Saleh, Hackett, the Defense or ST, under the bus. Hell, that could be better entertainment that the Jets games themselves.
All I know is I hear NOTHING BUT RESPECT coming out of the mouth of Jones any time he opens it. He doesn't blame anyone else for his mistakes, and is always one of the first to say HE needs to be better.
StarrtoRodgers
April 15, 2023 at 03:18 pm
Aaron Jones is just like all of the Packer players with regard to their loyalty to and support for Aaron Rodgers and Brian and Make alienate and destroy the team.
Aaron Jones on Aaron Rodgers March 8, 2023:
"I'm salty," Jones said. "I don't want him to go to Vegas so I would say he could come here (New York). But he's my quarterback. It would be good to see him reunite with (Nathaniel) Hackett (former Packers offensive coordinator and new Jets OC), somebody he knows. But like I said, Aaron Rodgers, please don't go anywhere.
On Wednesday, Jones upped his game.
"I'm on national TV making my case," Jones said. "Other guys are on social media, I'm on national TV. Come back to the Packers, we got everything we need. We're right there, we didn't start off the way we wanted to last year, but we picked it up. You're a huge part of that. Our leader. We got it going. We lost the last game to get into the playoffs. We got everything we need. Let's bring one back to Green Bay."
And then in a segment where the panelists were asked to describe the New York movie they'd use to describe Rodgers becoming a Jet, Jones wrote “Do The Right Thing!”
"You know where home is," Jones said. "You’ve been there for so long. You’re a leader of our team. We’d love to have you back. Just do the right thing and come home."
StarrtoRodgers
April 15, 2023 at 03:25 pm
Packer Management Propaganda from Management paid posters like Coldworld here, vs. the Packer Players SUPPORT for and LOYALTY to Aaron Rodgers.
Here below is Christian Watson IN HIS OWN WORDS on March 23, 2023:
If you love sports, chances are you love speculation. Who’s signing where? Who’s getting traded? Who’s my team going to draft? It can all be a ton of fun. But speculation has an ugly side and we’ve seen it these last few years with Aaron Rodgers. From rumors of trade requests and attempting to get a general manager fired to anger with draft picks and poor relationships with young players, speculation about what goes on in the Green Bay Packers locker room has been wild. That’s why it’s so nice when someone who actually lives it can go on the record and speak to the reality of the situation.
Today on the Rich Eisen Show Green Bay stand out Christian Watson did just that. Appearing on one of football’s most popular programs, in the middle of the Rodgers trade drama, Watson brought transparency to several topics.
First on Rodgers and the relationship the two shared. Eisen asked about their first meeting and although the narrative has been painted of Rodgers as the grizzly senior bully ready to ignore and demean incoming freshman, Watson painted a fun picture more in line with Rodgers’ carefree personality.
“I think the first time I saw him he had come through it was right before the mandatory mini camps he came in and he just walked by me and said (jovially) ‘what’s good North Dakota State?’” Continuing on, Watson brushed aside the idea that there was any negativity and credits Rodgers’ openness and confidence as factors in his development and strong second half of the season.“I couldn’t be more thankful for the opportunity to play with him my rookie season and be able to pick his brain. My number one goal going into last year was just to pick the veterans mind as much as possible. You never know when those guys are going to be done or when they’re gonna be gone so I just tried to learn as much as possible from him…Whenever I had a question whenever I had something in my mind even if it seemed like a dumb question he was always open to answering that for me and giving me his mindset on that. I think he helped me develop a lot. I think he helped me gain that confidence that I gained later in the year with his confidence in me.”
And that openness hasn’t stopped. When pressed about the last time he spoke to 12, Watson gave a surprising answer. “Probably a week or two ago just kind of talking to him about off-season stuff.” Watson said. “What can I do to get better and what did you see for me last year that I need to do to improve and stuff like that.”
That’s right, despite the idea that Rodgers is holed up somewhere waiting for a trade away from a place he grew to resent, the truth is he’s out here communicating with people in Green Bay and even helping them out.
StarrtoRodgers
April 15, 2023 at 03:34 pm
Spawny:
Amazing...
Not a single comment about how managment threatened to cut Jones before he renegotiated his contract...
Self preservation doesn't equal leadership.
Jones is a well mannered good guy. When has he stepped up and won a critical game? Instead I remember critical fumbles at crucial times. But JennerJohn decided to write about anyone other than Rodgers.
I get it... management is selling player dislike for Rodgers. Love is the starting quarterback without earning the position. Rodgers is the villian because Murphy and Gutekunst want to move on. LaFleur is the lap dog knowing Bisacia is the next in line. Jones is the puppet the front office is using to say "this is our true leader. Who needs Rodgers?"
JennerJohn writes what the front office demands he write.
Spawny,
I don't think you are far off in Packer Management attempting to use Aaron Jones like a porch/house slave.
That said, Aaron Jones, like all the Packers players - did you hear Christian Watson recently - spoke very highly of Rodgers having helped them and continuing to help them even now and in support of Aaron returning.
In fact, Aaron Jones came on NFL Network and was very vocal and asking Aaron Rodgers to come back. (SEE AARON JONES March 8, 2023 PLEAS TO AARON RODGERS BELOW)
No one here wishes to answer my 2 simple questions, Maybe you can take a shot at them:
1) Less than 6 months ago, why were the Packers players on the field able to work together to go 13-3, 13-3, 13-4 and 3-1 - generating more wins and less losses over this 53 game period than any of the other 31 NFL teams - until Rodgers broke his thumb?
2) Specifically which players on the field were most important in sustaining this long period of on the field excellence generating more wins and less losses over this 53 game period than any of the other 31 NFL teams - until Rodgers broke his thumb?
What are the answers?
Aaron Jones on Aaron Rodgers March 8, 2023:
"I'm salty," Jones said. "I don't want him to go to Vegas so I would say he could come here (New York). But he's my quarterback. It would be good to see him reunite with (Nathaniel) Hackett (former Packers offensive coordinator and new Jets OC), somebody he knows. But like I said, Aaron Rodgers, please don't go anywhere.
On Wednesday, Jones upped his game.
"I'm on national TV making my case," Jones said. "Other guys are on social media, I'm on national TV. Come back to the Packers, we got everything we need. We're right there, we didn't start off the way we wanted to last year, but we picked it up. You're a huge part of that. Our leader. We got it going. We lost the last game to get into the playoffs. We got everything we need. Let's bring one back to Green Bay."
And then in a segment where the panelists were asked to describe the New York movie they'd use to describe Rodgers becoming a Jet, Jones wrote “Do The Right Thing!”
"You know where home is," Jones said. "You’ve been there for so long. You’re a leader of our team. We’d love to have you back. Just do the right thing and come home."
BirdDogUni
April 15, 2023 at 11:56 pm
Twice as many Thumbs down as Thumbs up.
Seems appropriate. SMH
Spawny
April 17, 2023 at 03:25 am
S-R
I will attempt to answer your questions without pulling up reams of data. I hope you understand that hashing over old data bores me.
Answer to question #1 & #2.
Aaron Rodgers was insulted by Packers management when they selected Love as his future replacement. Rodgers worked harder that summer because the situation became personal. Rodgers had become complacent. He might have even become a little bored, knowing the front office would not give him the tools he needed to win a super bowl. Any premium athlete, when insulted will respond in an "I'll show you" attitude. This is what differentiates the best from the good. Michael Jordan, Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, Oscar Robertson.
To further respond Rodgers knew he had two guys he could count on. The first was Adams a superlative wide receiver who finally decided to leave Green Bay because the front office refused to bolster the offense with impact players. The second player was Bakhtiari who Rodgers depended on to cover his blind side.
In addition I would be remiss if I didnt mention Jenkins, Tonyan and Jones. These three players supported Rodger's quest. They were special but not as important as the Rodgers, Adams, Bakhtiari trio.
It should be noted that Rodgers, Jenkins, Bahktiari and Tonyan all have had terrible injuries. Rodgers worked his way back from a shoulder injury. Jenkins and Bahktiari appear to be recovered but honestly no one ever returns from an ACL to the level they were before the injury. Tonyan has not shown a full recovery yet. Here's wishing him the best.
Jones and Adams have been extremely fortunate to date concerning injuries. Again one can only hope for the best moving forward.
So the answer to your questions is already apparent in your questions. Rodgers had an injury that caused the Packers to struggle. Furthermore that injury affected what he does best. That being he is accurate and doesn't turn the ball over. All the wishful Willie's clamoring for Love don't understand how important turnovers are to any sport.
I once had a basketball coach who constantly drilled this into my head. "A turnover is one more chance for your opponent to score and one less chance for you to score."
I hope this response meets with your expectations. Ebb
StarrtoRodgers
April 17, 2023 at 04:38 am
Thanks Spawny.
You are a voice of reason. That helps.
Tundraboy
April 15, 2023 at 08:04 pm
Wow. Painful to read and scroll so much today.
marpag1
April 16, 2023 at 04:51 am
The idea that Aaron Jones voluntarily sacrificed 5 million dollars for the benefit of the team is just stupid.
Saying "Oh, I took a pay cut for the good of the team" is nothing more than face-saving spin. Every player in the locker room knows that, and no one considers it "leadership" to have your salary reduced. It's only a few people outside of the locker room who don't get it.