Al I like your insight and I will be upfront I did not see the game as I live outside the viewing area. You say that one of the Chargers problems were dropped passes which I also got from watching highlights but then you say the starting CBs were Valentine and Ballentine and that they did well. From what I understand there should have been more passing yards and points which would put the game as a bad defensive game.

Not sure if they played better than their draft status and being rookies or was it more of what you would expect.

I put money on the over and fell short by 2 points. But I won the over in the Lions game.

It was an entertaining game at least. LaFleur is slow roasting his goose in Green Bay. I'll give him until the end of 2024. My latest thought regarding Barry is that LaFleur is keeping him around to have someone to blame for the team's ineptitude.

MLF exposed himself? Must have been an interesting press conference.

LaFleur's plat calling at the end left a lot to be desired. BUT, I didn't honestly expect anything else. I didn't expect much else from his press conference either. It's my responsibility, I have to be better, all the little things MLF will say and take blame for after every game is now routine...And tiresome.

Al, people want to say "we wouldn't have won or looked so good if it wasn't for their drops".

How many game won or scores would we have had if we didn't have our drops? Drops count and it works both ways. Ask the Chiefs.

I thank the Chargers for giving us some hope and cheers but they are a mess. Maybe they were our Thanksgiving? It was nice to see Jordan Love command the offense despite his O-line and RBs. I particularly like how Love has his eyes downright even while the line is letting guys through like a Black Friday sale. As much as I like Jersey Al, I can't get behind a AJ Dillon contract. Nice guy who runs hard but is generally ineffective.

Winning puts a bloom on everything but I am still haunted the phrase "he was wide open" that prefaced too many of the Charger catches/drop last Sunday. Again, great to have young guys who compete but our LBs, CBs and safeties don't really know the assignment well enough to make this all work. Coaching and talent.

I wish we could put a healthy, well oiled team up against a good Detroit squad tomorrow. I will settle for a spirited play and some luck. GPG

I thought this game was exciting.
And I gave credit to Barry for a depleted Secondary.
The Defense kept the pressure on; forcing mistakes.
IMO- it was a little more than Luck.

Holding off- Nobody wanted to get Booed.

MLF and the handoffs.
MLF isn’t MM. And he doesn’t have Rodgers now.
You know a Timeout would have been called by Rodgers.
And the Fans would have changed his mind.
But if thats all we can complain about.
Let the Defense finish what they started.

My son and I were screaming, at the TV, for the Packers to get the first down, to run out the clock for the win. When they ran three straight times, presumably to use up the Chargers's time outs, we felt that putting this game on Barry's shoulders was snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. It ended up working out, but it left both of us scratching our heads.

DIllon -
Honestly when i saw his stats after the game it didn't feel like he only averaged 2.1 yards per carry. I am guessing that a lot of his carriers were pretty important getting first downs and stuff. And he was pretty good in the passing game. Dillon definitely looked like he was back in form.

Holding off -
The Chargers should have been called multiple times. I'm sure GB could have too, but there were a few times where our DL were getting tackled.

The Fumble -
That was the play of the game. If they score there who knows what happens.

Comebacks -
I thought outside of 1 play by Reed, they did much better attacking the ball. This team is growing!

Cornerbacks -
Its truly impressive that they were able to hold up as well as they did. They are on their 4th and 5th or 5th and 6th string CB's (depending on how you look at Nixon's role). And they held up well. Can't complain about them at all.

Handoffs -
I didn't blame LaFleur for going with 3 runs. I just woudl liked to have seen more of an option on the 3rd one. Where Love could run or pass and maybe a roll out.
It sounded like after the game that he called a play for a certain look and if they didn't get that look they were going to call timeout. Love just rolled with it.

When the season started I just wanted the team to show progress toward becoming competitive again. I was very disappointed during the string of losses, seeing the worst negative of all, a lack of effort. But the game against the Chargers showed what this team could be. When you look at the number of starters out, it's pretty remarkable. We tend to forget David Bakhtiari should be starting at left tackle. The secondary is truly a 'whozits?', Campbell and Walker have been in and out of the lineup and of course Aaron Jones. Somehow this team keeps moving forward, so that gives me hope. With all the minutes being logged by rookies and other inexperienced players the Packers should have a deep team in 2024. We might only see a couple more victories in the remaining games but with a good 2024 draft and the returning 'vets', 2024 might be what we all want.

Packers could have won themselves right out of a Top 10 draft pick by beating the Chargers. It's a rebuild year. Fans should not expect a playoff berth this season. The Packers will only get better by drafting better players, and a 7-10 or 8-9 record will put them in the middle of the round instead of at the top of each round.

Love and the young WRs are a positive for this team and will only get better. Musgrave is out, after spending time in the hospital this week, so he could be headed to IR. Aaron Jones is out for a few weeks, and Emanuel Wilson was carted off the field Sunday. This why the Packers signed Patrick Taylor to the active roster on Monday. Dontayvion Wicks has a concussion and could miss the Lions game.

The chances of beating the Lions on Thanksgiving are 0%. Ford Field will be on fire with a nationally-televised game, and the Lions will want to make a statement with a dominant win. It won't be pretty.

Lions notable ROIs for trading Matt Stafford:
QB Jared Goff (trade)
RB Jahmyr Gibbs (draft pick)
TE Sam LaPorta (draft pick)

After the loss to the Lions, the Packers will be 4-7 heading into their game against the Chiefs, on Sunday Night Football, most likely leaving them with a 4-8 record.

Cheer for former Packers QB Tim Boyle to lead the Jets to a loss against the Dolphins on Sunday. The worse the Jets record the higher the Packers 2024 RD2 draft pick from the AR12 trade. The Packers will need all the draft capital they can get for next season. (And, yes, I should write for CHTV to provide the non-winsome commentary.)

- The OL was destroyed in run game.
- Chargers basically lost the game with unforced errors but packers took advantage with fewer fatal errors on offense
- Last series, play action on one play to TE that initially blocks might have been the way to go. The worst thing is that the run plays selected had little chance of success given the first point.
- Ultimately, chargers are a bad team, so are packers, but packers made fewer mistakes.
- Offense seems like it is performing better.
- Have to really "Love" the comeback in 4th quarter

Musgrave is out for Detroit game. I really do not see the packers winning. Detroit will exploit the packers defensive weakness. Detroit will keep running against weak defensive fronts, and that will open the pass game even more. Remember Chargers had 4 drops: 2 for TDs, and the other 2 were first down killers. That's probably not going to happen against detroit. Then the current conversation about the CBs entirely is different.

One way to go late in the game on third down is to have Love rollout to the right to make a quick throw to an open receiver, run for the first down, or to slide down in bounds to keep the clock running (a slight loss of yards on the play won't usually be detrimental for punting position).
By rolling out to the right, it's much less likely that Love is sacked from behind with the risk of a fumble -- especially if he's reminded to run the ball and stay in bounds if he doesn't find an open receiver within four seconds.
It seems like a safe way to be more daring.
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On a rollout to the right, there should be various ways of getting at least two wide receivers in patterns for getting open.
Also, another receiver could line up on the opposite side of the formation and run a deep post.
Even if the ball is intercepted, it's like a punt that pins the opposing team deep in its own territory (with the Packers players alert to make the tackle in case of such an interception).
This might be better used late in a game which is tied. If the deep ball is completed, the Packers take the lead with a touchdown or an eventual field goal; if it's incomplete or intercepted, the other team gets the ball in poor field position, and we hope for overtime (or for the Packers to get the ball back one last time with significant clock left in regulation).

Al, mostly correct on all questions, as usually.

I really want to point out one player who had all-pro game - Karl Brooks. He had sack, 2 tackles for loss and both times helped LVN to tackle the RB behind or at line of scrimmageby setting the edge and pushing RB to cut inside. Also he has the best PFF grades from the Chargers game. Look out! He will be quickly very important part of Packers D, sooner than later if they bring true DC insterad of Barry.

Not to forget to mention that Karl Brooks had several pressures and in almost every game this season he had one or two blocked or tipped passes.

This season rookie DL class will be special in next few years. And not to mention that we did not see Brandon Cox in game yet. I can not wait to see that DL and OLB work together in making the opponents days looking like nightmares...

Jayden Reed is another 2nd round gem Packers found in draft. I'm so happy for him.

I posted this on 3 plays...., but I think it's worth repeating here.

"It's almost as if he gets so happy and full of himself when things go right he forgets we have to secure the win!"

What more could you ask for the team played hard they executed plays, and yes caught a bunch of breaks and to possibly once again throw that effort into the garbage can because of a coaching flaw is just getting to be too much to bear.

Have they no mercy? Will our suffering never end?

What is so hard to understand about play to win especially with the season we're having.