"If you read TGR's articles you will see that the 22m cap space number is deceptive."

I have read all of TGR's articles and also corrected TGR's mistakes which he thanked me for.

There is nothing "deceptive" in these salary cap numbers which show the Packers to have the 4th most Salary Cap Space in the NFL , but PACKER MANAGEMENT of course uses the "lack of salary cap space" as COVER for the fact that Brian - and Mark - have ALIENATED the Packer players to the point that the Packers now cannot even resign players Brian and Mark wanted to sign.

PURE PACKER MANAGEMENT PROPAGANDA and Paid staff to post this PROPAGANDA out there to lower Packer Fan EXPECTATIONS as Packer Management continues to fail after living like Parasites off the talents of Rodgers for the last 15 years.

Coldworld,

Keep collecting your check from Packer Management as you attempt to deceive Packer fans.

The majority of TEs are.

"This is the Packer offense."

It was Rodgers' offense. I am not sure it will be Love's offense. I think that is one of the key questions for next season. What will the offense look like with Rodgers gone? Rodgers' offense looked a great deal like McCarthy's old offense and nothing like anything from the Shanahan tree. I think whether the Packers draft a TE high or not will provide us with some insight into what the offense will look like next season under Love.

I was told if a frog had wings, it wouldn’t bump its rump with every jump.
I think the GB offense next season is the land of opportunity.
If they could add a big, juicy, soft handed target in the middle of the field, it would force the defense to adjust. And then GB could readjust and on and on it goes.
When KC had Tyreek Hill and Jason Kelce, did they limit each other or did they create opportunities for each other? I’m not pretending to have all the answers, but these are good questions!

Bigger, stronger OL imposing their will on a defense, run it down their throats. When they change the DL to stop it throw the ball with a mismatched defense to a WR/RB/TE. Why do we never use a RB pass to a TE/WR...ever. Getting the defense thinking and mixing things up a little should be the standard to always being in the best position to move the chains.

Leather, how is it bad to use and make the TE position an offensive weapon that defenses have to account for. I think it is incredibly bad coaching to just trot a TE out there that the defense can just ignore because they know er won't use them the way every other team does. Thats a pretty arrogant way to coach and we are not good enough at other things to play that way. Thats why I say a big no to bringing back a TE that we only throw to 6 times a year. What a waste of money that we can't afford.

Most teams don't have 5 good starters on their OL and you want 7? Diminishing returns to be hoping 2 starter worthy players are sitting on the bench. Smart teams can cover for having one bad O lineman in the lineup.

there is an opportunity cost to drafting an OT in round 1 this year and having him start and drive a quality player to the bench or have him sit and not contribute.

Another position, such as Edge would get a lot of snaps this season and not drive a good player to the bench since GB is thin at Edge.

Same at Safety, but I don't see a lot of quality at the position in the draft this year, also Safety is simply not a high value position, it can wait.

Last year was the time to draft both a TE and a S. Preferably with the picks that we received for AR... WAIT!! The stoopid FO failed to capitalize on a fantastic opportunity and let the future slip away from them! Oh well...

woof woof

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bark worse than bite, let 'em howl!

Lolz. Just gave you a dislike for that!

Giggling.

Too funny BDU!!! I get it. Just sharing the Love…

That was Lazard.

Up until the the TE; in rd. 1

It works just fine, you're just doing it wrong, like your comments.

Yes. - Only my comments.
Maybe because I've been here a long time.

Agreed

IMO Talk of Lewis means No TE early -
My updated draft - No trades.

15. Myles Murphy. Edge Clemson
45. Adetomiwa Adebawore DL/Ed NW
78. Rashee. Rice. WR SMU
116. Jamie Robinson. S FL
149. Karl Brooks DL B.Green
170c. Zach Kuntz. TE O. Dominion
232. Ronnie Hickman. S. Ohio St
235. Hunter Luepke FB ND state
242. Josh Whyle. TE. Cinn
256c. Mohamed Ibrahim. RB. Minn.

" I'd like to see Big Dog with Darnell Washington. Big Dog can mentor Darnell, but can you see the two TE offense with those two on either end of the line? Can you say running game? Yowser!"

KTS,

I agree - and the Red Zone scoring in the passing game as well, especially if Myers can be replaced and Lafleur can do better with his thinking and play calls.

KTS, you seem like an intelligent person, can you answer these 2 questions:

1) Less than 6 months ago, why were the Packers players on the field able to work together to go 13-3, 13-3, 13-4 and 3-1 - generating more wins and less losses over this 53 game period than any of the other 31 NFL teams - until Rodgers broke his thumb?

2) Specifically which players on the field were most important in sustaining this long period of on the field excellence generating more wins and less losses over this 53 game period than any of the other 31 NFL teams - until Rodgers broke his thumb?

big dog and washington on ends of the line...

why not just put your 6 and 7 OL out there.

save the roster spots for players with unique skills at their position.

There’s an element of development required with Kraft. One if the things I do like about him is that he isn’t an ex receiver, but a RB. He can run and break tackles and has the frame for it. He also knows how to run block. Therefore he brings the opportunity to run very different plays out of personnel groups with a RB.

The downside is he’s not a good route runner. He doesn’t look sharp even in a limited route tree and his genuine burst doesn’t show up as much as it should. That prevents him getting separation as often as his athleticism suggests that he should. He has a tendency to body catch. As a in-line blocker he’s going to need work and perhaps arm strength.

I like Kraft’s upside and potential. I think it will take a year or so for him to be ready to fully unleash it though. I would not rely on him as an in-line blocker yet. Pick him and treat him as a developmental move and work on expanding his route repertoire and skill and pass blocking. A good later option if we don’t get a move earlier, and one that might eventually be better or at least more versatile, than some of those.

I also agree that I believe he is the best fit. He would be my first choice of TE the Packers can draft. The cold weather is an astute observation.

However, Washington and LaPorta are not far behind. LaPorta is amazing, and as long as he can bulk up and improve his blocking, I would be ecstatic. Washington has amazing upside and has been blocking first round edge rushers. I would love him too.

Mayer I believe is a safe pick, but I don’t think he has a lot of upside. I think he would be solid. I would be happy for him, as he would probably provide stability for Love early on. High floor, low ceiling. Who knows? Maybe he does turn out to be good. I have him a level below Washington and LaPorta.

Kincaid and Musgrave are the ones I would avoid. Both have had injury problems, Musgrave especially. Musgrave also has no YAC ability, which is important for TEs, and almost always goes down upon contact. He is way too much of a gamble for me. Kincaid IMO is not a true TE. He is a big WR. I don’t know how well his style of play will transfer to the pros, but I would not be surprised either way. That is not very important though. He puts his head down when he blocks, and I don’t think he has the strength to block in the pros. If he wanted to bulk up, it would probably limit his speed and perhaps his elusiveness. I guess he would be fine if we wanted to use him exclusively as a WR, but he is not at all true TE, and we should not pretend that he can be.

Bazinga!

You fit right with that group?

A guy who can block AND run?

PREPOSTEROUS!!!

That particular idea would put the Pack's offense into the realm of the 21st Century. A real Mind-bender for some folks...

LaFleur was the one raving about Deguara after the pick, saying that he brought the skill set needed to do a lot of things that the 49ers were doing.

Davis was a dud on O. I saw no sign of consistency as a blocker despite the odd good one there were many bad ones. He also vanished as a pass threat. As a minimum contract type though, I have to admit that he earned that just buy his ST play.

At this point that’s what Davis is until he shows otherwise. Now we need to go find some true TEs who can help on O and decide whether we actually want to use the H-back role and Deguara. The two issues are not the same.

I have seen some drafts where LVN is gone at pick #8 and some where he goes at pick #28. We will see...personally I believe he will be available at pick #15, but if the board doesn't look like it is falling right I would not hesitate to trade up and grab him. Many draft experts has said this guy has a ceiling of J.J. Watt!!

Look at it this way: here is how I see the draft playing out:
1. CAR: CJ Stroud. Josh McCown, the Panthers QB coach, said to Stroud that he'd see him in Carolina.
2. HOU: Bryce Young. The other top QB.
3. ARI: Will Anderson Jr: I could see the Cardinals trading this pick, but I don't know who else in the top 10 would want it, and plus they would get Anderson if they stay put.
4. Colts: Anthony Richardson. My guess is Steichen will want a guy with a similar skill set to Jalen Hurts.
5. Seahawks: Tyree Wilson: They have not addressed OLB in free agency, and with Jalen Carter's character problems my guess is they go Wilson here.
6. Eagles (via trade with Lions): Jalen Carter, Georgia: I do not think Howie will hesitate to pay whatever price for the guy he wants, and despite the character issues, Carter is believed by many to be the most talented player in the draft. He possesses the versatility to be a DT and DE. The Eagles' D-Line was at its best with heavy rotation, and Carter would go a long way to replace Javon Hargrave.
7. Raiders: Christian Gonzalez: The Raiders literally have no one at CB, and this represents an excellent situation.
8. Falcons: Peter Skoronski: This is the biggest wild-card for me. I don't think it is likely they go edge or DL after all their free agent signings, but I could easily also see them going CB here. After the Okudah trade, though, IMO their biggest hole is at LG. Skoronski can easily fill that void, and perhaps give the Falcons the best offensive line in the league.
9. Jets (via Bears): OT Paris Johnson. The Bears have hinted that they may trade down again, and the Jets use pick 43 to move up and select arguably the best tackle in the draft class, as they see the tackle board is fading.
10. Lions: CB Devon Witherspoon, Illinois. The Lions trade back and are still able to get the guy they probably would have picked at 6. Witherspoon is an excellent fit with Dan Campbell. If the Falcons took Witherspoon, the Lions might select Van Ness, although given that they have several other options there and that they just traded Okudah I would probably think they would take Joey Porter Jr.
11. Titans: QB Will Levis. Levis and Mike Vrabel are too good of a fit to pass up. I think this will honestly be the steal of the draft if the Titans can get Levis without trading up for him.
12. Texans: Jaxon Smith-Njigba. The Texans are also candidates to select Van Ness, although given the abysmal state of their WR room and the fact they already have Jonathan Greenard and Jerry Hughes, I see them helping out their young QB Bryce Young with new weapons.
13. Bears (via Jets): OT Broderick Jones. I do not think the Bears have any other choice but to go OT in round one because Justin Fields will absolutely need all the protection he can get, and RT is a huge need for them. I know their GM Poles likes athletic o-linemen, and that is why I think Jones will actually be the #1 OT on their big board. I could also see them taking Darnell Wright, too (although they may trade back for him a bit too)
14. Patriots: OT Darnell Wright. The Pats are also candidates to take Van Ness, but OT is far and away their biggest need. Bellicheck showed last year that he won't hesitate to address the O-line and he will not hesitate to reach for the OL he likes best. Wright absolutely pulverized Will Anderson, and I think Belichick will take him here to be the RT of the future and move Trent Brown to LT.
15: Packers: Lukas Van Ness!

So those are Gutes treasure picks after round 2 Sparky?

Ok..lol

So we have Doubs 6 drops, 2 fumbles, and needs to be more consistent.
We'll give him time to grow.

MVS...who cares? The Packers didn't think he was worth keeping.
And the Chiefs paid him 10 million for 2 TD's....what a bargain.

Toure?...You talking about his 5 catches for 82 yards?

I'm sorry, this is just getting silly...thanks for trying though 😏

"For some reason Gute can't hit on a player after the 2nd round like Wolf and Thompson did."

Khm, khm, Zack Tom, Enagbare, Doubs...

Ron Wolf: "Whenever we started the draft, I would always say, ‘Men, this is not my pick or your pick. It’s our pick. It’s the Green Bay Packers’ pick. We’re picking for the Packers.’ That’s what you have to remember."

To repeat great Ron Wolf - That’s what you have to remember!

It's going to be really hard for teams to screw up drafting this year's TE class. Yeah there are some sort of red flags in Kinkaid's back, Musgraves knee to name 2. But there are so many good choices in multiple rounds this year.

My best scenario for GB after trading back from #15 for another 2nd and 4th is to pick Mayer, Kraft, or Washington later in the first round. In no particular order as I like all three and all three would start right away. Gamechanger is a word that gets thrown around and I think you should expect close to that with first round picks. Any of these three would fit that description because having strong TE play would impact our offense the most. Which would impact the defense too because of time of possession.

Picking Josh Whyle with our new 4th rounder and one of Averett, Strange, Durham, Sims, Allen in the 7th rebuilds our TE room and it becomes a strength. There are also going to be some good TEs not get picked this year and we should be in on them. Austin Allen is also a wildcard, he has great hands and at 6'8 he would be a red zone stud.

I hold out hope for GB trading for the Broncos TE, Albert Okwuegbunam and Jeremy Ruckert to come back to us in the Rodgers trade. Although I don't have as much positive vibes these days that the trade gets done at all. Either of them would currently be our best TE.

Hey, in my mocks I trade AR to the 49ers. Maybe two of their 2023 thirds and a 2023 6th, coupled with 2024 1st would get it done. That would essentially be a 2nd rounder because they will be the hands down favorite to win the Super Bowl with AR, maybe in 2025 too. A late 204 1st round pick is a prime spot to trade back and whatever compensation could be added to what we got for AR. Maybe we even get back a good young player to boot.