I thought the same thing with Love.
Forget the super-bowl.
All windows will be shut.

Sorry you are so tired of winning. A guy with a career win/loss record of 147-75-1 and all the joy he's brought Packer fans with all those wins and a Title as well. His belief in the team brought them to within a game of the playoffs last season, despite having a broken thumb, injured WRs, injured offensive linemen, loss of the best defensive player to a knee injury and poor play by the defense. He wasn't perfect, but he kept them in it until the end, making 2 rookie WRs in the top tier of the rookie WR class along the way. His stats from last year are better than many/most of the starters in the league.

It's fine to wish he would retire or move on but it's ridiculous to say he blames others. He's taken responsibility his entire career, for his own play. He challenges guys, yes, but he doesn't throw them under the bus. He doesn't treat them any differently than any other Hall of Fame QB trying to pull out win after win with untested young players.

I say goodbye to you if you can't stomach watching the most talented QB we have ever seen in green and gold for one more year. Stay, go, or retied, I'll be cheering for a great year for Rodgers. He's given me so many years of fun football watching, I will always be grateful for.

100% agree I think many fans are over it and ready for a fresh start in gb. Sure hope the f o has the stones to get it done

But, we'd miss your insightful, level-headed commentary.

Adios...

croat, you must be a big Joe Barry fan , his only one.

Rodgers mentioned earlier that he'd be willing come back, but it would probably have to involve a re-do of his contract.

Why the hell does everyone think they can read between the lines? AR said many times if he comes back to play, the key word is 'PLAY' he knows that the current structure of his contract will have to be addressed. That means whether he plays for the Packers this year or someone else. Gutes comments mean exactly what he said, there's no hidden meaning. We'll know what AR decides when he tells us. I may be the only living Packer fan who doesn't make guesses or try to interpret comments by the FO and AR, I'm content to wait to hear the facts from the horses mouth. What's the point of trying to be a fortune teller when more likely as not..you'll end up eating crow!

Yes, of course, and AR said the same thing, mostly to observers scratching their heads. What can that possibly mean?

First, there is nothing wrong with your starting QB having a $31M cap number. That isn't, or at least shouldn't be, a problem. If it is, look at your GM and/or coaching. [Mahommes' cap number in 2022 was $35.79M ($17.1% of the salary cap) and the Chiefs won a super bowl. First time a QB with a cap over 15% won it all.]

Second, there is nothing to adjust in AR's contract other than a pay cut or a deferral. Suppose AR cuts that $58.3M signing bonus by a whopping $30M: that drops AR's cap number to $24.1M and provides the team with $7.5M or so in extra cap space. Does $7.5M move the needle? It does, but I doubt it is enough.

As far as fans being so tired of AR's antics that they decide to take a break from watching the Packers, we each have different things we tolerate. I (and BDU) had no trouble advocating for signing Colin Kaeparnick a few years ago (and no one will confuse me with a progressive liberal) but I might well have had issues had the Packers signed DeShaun Watson. I think there are qualitative differences between AR, Kaepernick, and Watson, but really it comes down to a gut decision for me.

The darkness retreat was never about finding clarity, it was about trying to stimulate a DMT response in his brain.

That was the media saying that. Rodgers has said he'd let the team know before they had to make any serious decisions (like before free agency).

There was no timeline by Rodgers on his darkness retreat; just keep letting the media swing you on a rope swing.

Split,
There is no doubt he loves playing chess with the media and fans. For that matter the FO!

I can see him now in the darkness with one of those miner lights mounted and with a notebook and pen thinking about his next mind games he can play with the media & FO.

proactivity could affect trade compensation...

best to hold your cards close to your chest.

You should feel lucky Gutey even talks to the media; Thompson NEVER shared anything. Neither does Belichick and people seem to think well of him. The GM is never going to tell you their plans one way or another until they are finalized. Any media comments can adversely affect any deals they are working on behind the scene, and/or build up expectations that are not realized. Gutey doesn't owe us details right now, Not one bit.

Management. Noun: “the process of dealing with or controlling things or people” … “the coordination and administration of tasks to achieve a goal.”

Where there is no vision the people perish.
Proverbs 29:18

I'll take March 1st and the Feast of Dionysus. When in doubt, blow ALL the bridges. Trade Rodgers, Trade Love and start over. I like Anthony Richardson, or Levis.

All you fans that expect the FO or even AR to say what you want them to say publicly need to get a clue, there is NO GM in the NFL that would announce their plans before they get an answer and btw, get ready to eat Crow when AR tells the FO and the FO tells the fans about his decision before March 15th. How do you like your Crow?

Hope all is well Since'61.....

Yes Since '61.....Reactive

I find it slightly entertaining whenever i see Gute in front of a microphone.

Like when Murphy hired MLF, at the introduction, Murphy talked for about 8 minutes, then gave way to Gute who threw in his 20 seconds worth.

Now Gutes under the National media spotlight trying to sound as smart as he can.

I don't think Murphy should be involved in football operations whatsoever, he had no backround experience at all before hiring MLF, and it shows.
Gute on the other hand is trying to learn the job on the go much like McCarthy did.

I think i'd respect Gute more if he would just be honest saying..."We mismanaged the Love pick, and we clearly changed direction by giving Rodgers over 100 million guaranteed a year ago. Which is why i'm up here answering all your questions that i can't answer because we gave Rodgers all the power and leverage a year ago and we really screwed this team up by doing that.

In other words....this team has no one to blame for the situation they find themselves in at this moment...but themselves. The Packers did this. Not Rodgers.
Last time i checked Rodgers wasn't the President or the GM of the Green Bay Packers.
Who makes the decisions at 1265 Lombardi Ave?
Who runs that show?
Didn't Murphy tells us after finally letting Ted go, that he was in charge (of everything) that all final decisions will be made by him?
Remember all that?

Rodgers and his agent are just smarter than Packers upper management.
Is it Rodgers fault these guys mismanaged this whole ordeal starting in April of 2020?

Rodgers wasn't even supposed to be on this team anymore, and this should have been Love's 2nd year starting at the minimum.
But no..... Gute/Murphy decided to change course a year ago and fully guarantee Rodgers holds all the cards by giving him a powerball jackpot of 101 million fully guaranteed (if he stays) thru 2023.

We keep reading lately, the Packers want to move on, they want to be out of the Aaron Rodgers business...NOW.
Well lol... you should have thought of that a year ago.
It's not your choice now, is it?

Sure...and then the Packers can hire some of the great available talent around to replace them. I heard Pee Wee Herman is available. Larry the Cable Guy likes football and the Packers. Lil' Wayne could become the CEO. See...lots of skilled people available.....

This is so NOT Favre. Favre blurted out his plans too soon after the season, crying and getting plenty of attention, and then decided to come back well after the off season program in the middle of training camp. You know, when GB had already changed their offensive scheme for Rodgers and were moving forward.

What is happening is nothing more than what happens with hall of fame QBs (and other players) near the end of their careers.

Same with Brady, Brees, Big Ben, Peyton, etc. This is business as usual in the NFL with older players.

It is not win for ACR. It will show all of his faults at his age now. He knows that. That is the reason why he is holding for Packers with everything he can think of. And, that is long list!

It sounds so nice and so simple when you lay it out like that.
Win-Win-Win . . .
Super Bowl!
GPG!

You nailed it LH! Everybody plays, everybody wins! ;-)

Would agree but AR the master chip on his shoulder guy will be forever pissed at Gutey and the Packer organization for drafting his replacement. He will NEVER forgive them for doing this to him even though Rodgers was playing poorly for several years in a row & the Packers had an opportunity to draft Love to succeed AR. As a result, I truly believe AR will not cooperate with the Packer FO, and any progress will be reluctant with a lot of game playing, which includes dragging his feet about whether he wants to continue playing when we all know he does. This also includes the whole darkness BS stuff as it impacts the Packer trade value with other teams feeling like if he does play in 2023 there is no certainty in 2024.

Who says no in that scenario? The Jets, if they have any sense.

Rodgers doesn’t put them in the Super Bowl. We’ve seen how Rodgers has had a knack of being the second best qb on the field in critical games. I don’t see him and the Jets coming out ahead in a playoff game vs Burrow or Mahomes. Maybe he’d be able to beat Wilson and the Broncos, but the Broncos are probably not going to the playoffs, especially with Wilson.

Very good post LH. Perhaps that is how the Packers FO feel. If it is, they should be fully transparent with Rodgers. Perhaps they have. It could be that AR knows the Packers want to move on and he is seriously deciding whether he wants to start all over with another organization, or move on to the next step in his life.

Part of me hope he retires if the Packers have told him they want to move on. He belongs in the HOF as another Green Bay Packer only QB.

Like he said, "I want to finish my career with the Packers, and maybe I have".

Nodding… listening to the Talking Heads, “Stop Making Sense.”

A trade, to the Jets for example, is a win for the Jets, a win for the Packers, a win for Rodgers, and a win for Love. Who can resist a scenario like that?

please see Murphy, M for an answer to your supposedly rhetorical query. He will find a way to make a win into a loss...

I think you know as much as all the pundits put together

comments like gutey's convince me that you can't believe a word they say.
In what scenario does the head of a billion dollar organization not communicate with one of its highest profile and highest valued assets?
None.
I think they've talked all they needed to understand each other's position.
All talks held closely to the vest to protect each other's leverage.
Period.
We'll learn the results of the talks in the next 10 days.
If we hear nothing and no trade is made, ar12 is going to hang around GB to collect all of his $.
If he wants to stay in GB to win another SB, he signs a team friendly deal that relieves cap stress so we can sign better players.
M Murphy signed off on that albatross contract and gutey and the rest of Packer nation are stuck with it.
GPG

Exit. Strategy.

That's all. It's all over but the crying.

That was well said for a relatively new fan. Good to have some up and comers for the next generation of Packer fans.

Oh, to be young again.....

Rodgers was there for every required offseason activity. The only time he missed was the VOLUNTARY time, when the rookies didn't even know the playbook yet. That would have done zero for them getting on the same page, since they didn't even know what the page was. And Watson missed training camp. Rodgers was there, ready to work with him.

He didn't blame anybody. The drops and missed routes were real. And he still worked with them and believed in them and got them to within a game of the playoffs, despite playing with a broken thumb and a bad defense until the final games of the year.

If Rodgers was so awful with rookies, then why do they have 2 rookie WRs in the top 5 or 10 in a number of categories for all rookie wideouts. If it weren't for injuries to both Watson and Doubs, they may have been at the top of the rookie WR class. Thats not on Rodgers. He absolutely threw to them.

*You misspelled hatchet...

I've got several hatchets I can loan you bm...

BM,
Now that was mastery of the English language my old friend! LOL!

Good Night John-Boy :) You'll love re-watching those old shows, and re-living those childhood memories BM ; )

You'd think if Rodgers wants to be traded, he'd be talking already. He and a new team would need all the time they could get.

Do they have to wait for the new year before they're allowed to discuss trades and stuff with other teams?

It must be excruciating for Rodgers to decide what socks to wear - every day.

Interesting. 64% of Cheeseheads are so sick of Rodgers they want him gone even though there's no chance in hell of winning Championship No. 14 next year without him.

Agree. There seems to be no real plan in place. I think Murphy, Ball, Gutekunst, and LaFleur are in over their heads.

Packy,
OMG.....after reading your post I already have a scotch in hand. Way too early but....I too wonder about what is going on with the Packers. If I had to guess.....Gutey has been put in a difficult situation knowing a lot, but cannot say a lot. As a result, he has to be vague and comes across like you are describing. Very difficult position to be put in!

You brought out good question. As I believe Brian Gutekunst can be good GM if he had all responsibilities that belongs to GM, I tend to believe he got some instructions from his superior to not disclose anything about plans.

Interesting is that from last post season message you were able to hear "we want ACR back" this post season was "we want all our guys back" to "we all know what kind of player Aaron is and we have to have discussion first". It looks like the tune is changed...

Add in the stagnant coaching staff after a mostly underwhelming season and you have a recipe for continued mediocrity.

I love oatmeal, but I don't want to eat it every meal. Blah.

My GBP look a lot like oatmeal these days and Murphy is the Quaker on the label.

Damn, it's nice to read some voice of reason in here.

Nice write up Packy, we only disagree on Gute's draft strategy, or lack thereof.
From rounds 3-7, Gute has been impotent in most of his draft classes.

I'm a Rodgers fan plain and simple, as a player.
He was the most skilled QB in his prime across the board i've ever seen and i've seen quite a few QB's.
One of the differences now is he's lost his legs to scramble and make all those "holy cow" pass play's we jumped out of our chairs over.

With that said...can Rodgers ego rub some people the wrong way...hell yea, even me sometimes.

But lets be honest about a few things....
1) Rodgers actions have only been allowed, because the Packers gave him that power.
Rodgers and his agent have been schooling Murphy/Gute/Ball for years, exposing their lack of management skills concerning football operations.
You see a comment of Packer management being in over their heads...and i couldn't agree more.
2) I said at the time, Rodgers should have been traded before the 2001 season. Two simple reasons...You could have gotten a Kings ransom in draft capital for him, and at the same time eliminated, or gotten a handle on the salary cap.
Bonus....Love would be entering his 3rd year of starting this season.
3) Lets be clear again...The Packers are in this situation for one reason, and one reason only.
Because they allowed it!!
4) Some could argue drafting Love was a huge mistake
A) They mishandled that pick concerning Rodgers, they should have prepped him for that pick.
B They clearly were planning to move on from Rodgers, but they mismanaged the transition. Then made a bad situation worse by giving Rodgers 101 million of fully guaranteed money a year ago.
C) They in essence gave up on a Championship run by not using that 2020 #1 pick to put new talent on the field, especially when they were one game away from the Super Bowl.

Bottom line....The Packers are in this position, because they put themselves in this position.

Be upset with Rodgers all you want if it makes you sleep better.
But your angst should be directed at Packer management, not Rodgers.