All Aboard: Aaron Rodgers Is Driving The Bus

Another week, yet another update regarding Aaron Rodgers’ future with the Green Bay Packers. 

Another week, yet another update regarding Aaron Rodgers’ future with the Green Bay Packers. NFL Media insiders Ian Rapoport and Tom Pelissero reported on Sunday that “if Rodgers comes to the team with a request to play his 19th season elsewhere, sources say the Packers are open to working with the four-time AP NFL MVP on a trade.” Conversely, the Packers welcome the opportunity for Rodgers to remain a member of the Packers for the 2023-24 season if Rodgers decides that is what he wants to do, which Rapoport and Pelissero reported on Sunday and is the same message that general manager Brian Gutekunst delivered after the season. 

“We made a really big commitment to him last offseason, so I think as we did that it wasn’t certainly for just this year,” Gutekunst told reporters in January. “Like I said, he’s going to take his time and the communication will be pretty constant as we move forward.”

After Gutekunst’s January press conference, it was clear that Rodgers is driving the bus regarding his future, something that very few players in the NFL are afforded, and that sentiment remains true today. In other words, it seems that Gutekunst is waiting for Rodgers to break up with the Packers, rather than Gutekunst grabbing this situation by the horns and deciding what is best for the Packers and the future of the franchise. 

Why is that the case? Maybe Gutekunst wants to rack up the PR points, a move that allows him to say at the end of the day, “Hey, we wanted him back in the fold but he did not want us.” Maybe he wants to avoid the 2008 fiasco that the team encountered with Brett Favre. Maybe he simply wants to give Rodgers his space and compensate (overcompensate, perhaps?) for the miscommunication debacle that ensued when Gutekunst failed to give a heads-up to Rodgers on the doorstep of drafting quarterback Jordan Love in the 2020 first round. Maybe that’s the nature of Gutekunst’s personality. There is, unfortunately, no concrete answer. 

But just because Gutekunst is not being more assertive, from a public perception anyway, does not mean that the Packers could not end up with assets by trading away Rodgers for draft picks and potentially current players that, you would hope, will strengthen their roster for the long term and pave the way to hand the keys over to Love as QB1. The problem is, getting to that point would be on Rodgers’ terms, at least from a public perception perspective. Another problem is, what if Rodgers says he wants to come back? 

Perception does not always equal reality, though. One longtime NFL team executive recently told The Athletic, “I think the Packers are done with him.” Another NFL team executive flipped the script, telling The Athletic that Rodgers “showed his true colors last offseason when he held them hostage and took $50 million a year. He knew he could get his best deal from the Packers, and now that he has it, now that he has secured the bag, he is open to leaving.” 

It is hard to argue against the notion that the Packers got fleeced in that negotiation last off-season. Not only because Rodgers arguably had the worst season of his career in the first year of that deal, but also because of how the contract was broken down. 
 

Thus, Rodgers drove the bus in that negotiation and he is doing so again this offseason in connection with his future. Time will tell how that impacts the future of the franchise. 

 

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NJ-RICK's picture

February 13, 2023 at 12:11 pm

The answer is simple get a new GM....

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KenEllis's picture

February 13, 2023 at 12:43 pm

I mean, are there any adults in the room looking out for the interests of the Green Bay Packers instead of protecting their own positions within the organisation?

Ted Thompson had the cajones to trade Favre and it could have backfired spectacularly on him. Instead, it was the best move he ever made for the team.

Gutey & Murphy want to act like they are just passive actors and everything is up to big bad Aaron to decide.

Come on fellas, grow a pair and get the trade that should have been done last offseason done ASAP.

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murf7777's picture

February 14, 2023 at 08:52 am

De ja vu Ken De ja vu…..This is eerily similar to the Favre situation. TT, didn’t move on from Favre right away it took a couple of years retire or not to retire. The fan base was getting tire of that, just like now with Rodgers. Rodgers and Love both were mid first round draft picks. Both have some players singing praise about them before they became starters. They had similar stats during their first 3 years. Both, might get traded to the Jets.

I think Gutey is probably getting sick and tired of Rodgers annual antics and this just might be the year it happens. Let’s hope the results end up being similar and we get another MVP in LOVE.

Quite frankly, Rodgers give the Packers the best chance to get to the SB over the next two years, but I’m tired of the retire or not annual event. In addition, they have to make a decision on Love’s 5th year. Time to move on.

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dobber's picture

February 14, 2023 at 09:19 am

"Rodgers give the Packers the best chance to get to the SB over the next two years,"

I think it's likely that the Packers win more games in 2023 with ARod than they do with Love. That's based on two factors:
1. the cap issues this offseason don't change very much if 12 is on the team or not, so the supporting cast looks largely the same with either guy.
2. we don't know enough about Love, yet, and while his limited play against Philly has people hopeful, we don't know how he'll scout and how easy he'll be for opposing DCs to stymie.

That said, I'm with others in that I don't think it's likely that either QB leads the Packers to a deep playoff run in 2023 unless guys are playing over their heads. It's 2024 and beyond where things really could start to change and this team could have the flexibility to remold the roster--that's not going to happen under 12's contract.

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Leatherhead's picture

February 13, 2023 at 12:59 pm

Yes, burn it all down. That's clearly the best path..

Sheeesh.

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BirdDogUni's picture

February 13, 2023 at 01:48 pm

Do I detect a smidge of sarcasm?

Reminds me of winning the '97 World Sarcasm Championships...

Good times.

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Oppy's picture

February 13, 2023 at 02:47 pm

The problem is the GM has no direct say over contract negotiations with the current structure put in place by Murphy.

Russ Ball, Gutekunst, and LaFleur all independently report to Mark Murphy.

Gute likely can state who should stay and who should go, but It's also likely Russ Ball then gets approval directly from Murphy as to how to execute the contracts.

Circumstantial evidence- just a week or two ago, Gute was asked about how they were going to try and keep the team together with Rodgers' cap number in 2023; his response was something to the affect of, 'Well, the way we've been operating lately, we'll probably restructure and extend everybody's contract to make space."

It could be (and was by many) read as a gentle jab at Russ Ball and an indication Gute isn't exactly pleased with how the team is handling the cap the last few years in attempts to 'run it back'.

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GP1's picture

February 13, 2023 at 05:24 pm

Run Ball has done a terrible job with contracts; we over pay and have no cap space.

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PackyCheese500's picture

February 13, 2023 at 06:43 pm

I think you mean a new owner

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bjb2012sime's picture

February 13, 2023 at 12:15 pm

Arod begins his 4 days of darkness today; as I understand it, when he emerges, if he sees his shadow then we'll have 6 more weeks of winter waffling.
Hopefully the eunuchs in the front office will finally put an end to this nonsense- trade him for the best the market offers and go with the convictions which prompted drafting Love 3 years ago. Tell Russ Ball to pick up the dang cap can and quit kicking it down the road. Instead of going out in a blaze of Super Bowl glory, Murphy needs to accept that now he just needs to leave as a good steward of the franchise, maybe ask Bob Harlan for some pointers, as this organization has gone off the rails.

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Tundraboy's picture

February 13, 2023 at 02:28 pm

Do I have to mark my calendar? If it means an end to the waffling let's go!

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pantz_bURp's picture

February 13, 2023 at 12:23 pm

The wheels on the bus go round and round (similar to #12's eyes)

* says every rookie Packer receiver (now, I just made that up)

Excited for V-Day tomorrow. Not sure if she loves me for me...or just my body? Oh well, I don't need to know the answer right this second.

Lovers gonna Love

*Great news: Colts reportedly find new head coach; Rich Bisaccia staying with Packers. And, congrats MVS!

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

February 13, 2023 at 12:23 pm

While watching the SB I was reminded how top QB's are supposed to play. AR is no longer the QB he once was physically, or as a cooperative team player running plays. There is a reason why Rodgers statistics in come back victories are ranked so low on the all-time list.

It is a year past when Rodgers should have been traded. I am a supporter of Gutey but if reports are true as this article reports where Rodgers makes the final decision I am more than discouraged. My fingers are crossed this isn't true & Rodgers is traded. Particularly, to the Raiders as huge upside in draft capital possibilities vs say the Jets.

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The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

February 13, 2023 at 01:29 pm

Its not up to Gute. No decisions get made without Murphy. Id bet my yearly bonus that if Gute was allowed to actually be GM of this team he wouldve traded Rodgers 2 years ago when he held out.

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jannes bjornson's picture

February 13, 2023 at 03:41 pm

He signed his Extension. He could have bailed and looked for Work at another club. They're all in on the deal.

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Lphill's picture

February 13, 2023 at 02:54 pm

was nice how both the eagles and Chiefs had 1 st round receivers and traded for veterans as well.

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13TimeChamps's picture

February 13, 2023 at 03:14 pm

You do realize becoming a #1 receiver in the NFL isn't dictated by whether you were drafted in the 1st round.

Greg Jennings, Jordy Nelson, Davante Adams. All 2nd rounders. This narrative that Rodgers never had legitimate weapons because none of his receivers were drafted in the 1st round is really getting tiresome.

Just curious...if all 3 aforementioned players had been drafted in the 1st round instead of the 2nd, but had the same exact careers, would that make you sleep better at night?

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dobber's picture

February 13, 2023 at 03:44 pm

The Chiefs had a first round WR and traded for a vet?

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WestCoastPackerBacker's picture

February 13, 2023 at 06:14 pm

They got Kadarius Toney in October from the NYG. I guess he was the first rounder?

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dobber's picture

February 14, 2023 at 08:13 am

...apparently he was the vet, too.

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PackyCheese500's picture

February 13, 2023 at 06:44 pm

The Chiefs didn't draft a round 1 WR. Skyy Moore was a 2nd rounder. Maybe their plan of draft and develop is what we should follow

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KenEllis's picture

February 13, 2023 at 06:55 pm

Chiefs definitely draft and develop better than the Packers do.

Chiefs also add veterans Juju, Toney, MVS, O. Brown, Thuney, Frank Clark, etc. better than the Packers do.

Maybe, just maybe, the Chiefs have a superior GM/Front Office.

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PackyCheese500's picture

February 13, 2023 at 07:12 pm

I would agree with that. The Packers could stand to learn a few lessons...

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croatpackfan's picture

February 14, 2023 at 04:55 am

Maybe Packers did not have cap space for that kind of names from FA market... It is hard to tell...

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dobber's picture

February 14, 2023 at 08:14 am

"Maybe, just maybe, the Chiefs have a superior GM/Front Office."

Maybe, just maybe, the Chiefs have a QB who can elevate the play of those around him.

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Iain's picture

February 14, 2023 at 02:51 am

I actually laughed out loud at that PC500. Nice one.

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splitpea1's picture

February 13, 2023 at 12:25 pm

All aboard my ass. Why not just skip all of this and wait for something meaningful to happen? There ought to be a moratorium on Rodgers articles until it does--it would save everyone a lot of wasted energy.

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ricky's picture

February 13, 2023 at 01:17 pm

The people at CheeseheadTV have to produce content every day. They don't get an off-season. So, they over report Rodgers news. Because there is nothing else happening. The draft is still months away, and free agency isn't likely to be an active period for the Packers. So, if possible, try to be a bit more understanding. They're doing their best.

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The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

February 13, 2023 at 01:27 pm

I'll never understand the outrage over content people dont like. They dont have to click on the article but they do anyways and then complain about it. The entitlement. Sheeesh.

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TarynsEyes's picture

February 13, 2023 at 12:31 pm

Yes, Rodgers is the bus driver and has been for a while now. Regrettably, this bus whether with or without Rodgers driving it on the field, is heading for, if not already teetering on the edge, or not, hasn't a chance for any SB quests after watching the SB last night. Although, Division Title supporters are likely happy, as that is their SB.

Also regrettable, is that MLF won't be much of a bus driver with his assumed Class A Offensive license, many assume is waiting to get loaded, no matter how many Love stickers are placed on that bus. We don't have the players, the coaching, FO, or SC needed to do so.

The Packers are officially a middle of the pack team, at best, going forward, unless....Yeah, I don't see an unless on the nearest horizon.

A little negative, but, we all know it to be true. Even the Optimist have a half empty glasses these days.

However, to show some hope, let's see what the team has come August. Until then, I have some baseball to get ready for.

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Packerpasty's picture

February 13, 2023 at 05:58 pm

wait a minute...havent you read about how great Love is going to be..ive read it many times here on Cheesehead tv...and even though MLF is soft as a marshmallow its only because Rodgers is such a bully...

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Coach Cleve Steamer's picture

February 13, 2023 at 06:41 pm

*

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

February 13, 2023 at 07:56 pm

Once Love has a half season of games under his belt I will remind you Patsy of your sarcasm. Love will impress I truly believe, particularly if the Packers consciously pick up a couple of talented TE's and another top WR.

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croatpackfan's picture

February 14, 2023 at 05:08 am

Even if they do not pick another top WR and high pick (2nd round) TE offense will be good. Only 2 parts of offense Packers need to improve is OL and QB (send away ACR - to retirement or via trade or cut him, I do not care).

I just saw short video of every pass from Jordan Love vs Eagles. Announcers were so surprised how he played that were questioning will he able to construct huge come back. And was questioning why he was not playing more, already...

So, it is not that only few of us sees huge potential in Jordan Love, others are very surprised with his level of playing (those who do not pay attention what is going on with Packers back ups). Besides Aaron Jones, Allen Lazard, Rasul Douglas and De'Vondre Campbell praised high young QB. Even ACR clearly said that he is ready!

Do I expect some bad games from Jordan Love in his first year as starter. Of course. He needs to get experience. You can not be ready for everything if you were not faced challenges.

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mnbadger's picture

February 13, 2023 at 12:37 pm

Get the best package of young players and picks you can in a trade, to anybody. Immediately add talent.
If he retires, we're screwed for a year or two but limit our losses to the short term.
We learn from the bad decisions and move forward.
5 to 6 wins a season for 2 years, but we build young controllable talent that way.
We're back in the mix.
If we keep him, we're 4 to 6 years from relevance.
I say take the bull by the horns and force his hand.
I loved the player but he's outgrown this franchise.
GPG!

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Packerpasty's picture

February 13, 2023 at 06:00 pm

whats so hard to understand that he won't go to just "anybody"....Packer won't get shit that way, it has to be a team he will play for..not that hard to understand..

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PackyCheese500's picture

February 13, 2023 at 06:45 pm

Teams will trade for Rodgers if he wants to keep playing. They just have to make all draft compensation conditional picks on if he plays or not. no-brainer

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mnbadger's picture

February 14, 2023 at 12:20 pm

as I said, if he retires, "we're screwed for a year or two" but at least the bleeding stops there.
We rip off the band aid and rebuild with a fresh new team.
By then we better have a HC that will have learned many lessons first hand how NOT to prepare a game plan, how NOT to make in-game adjustments, how NOT to handle staff decisions, how NOT to manage a clock, timeouts, challenges, etc.
Drive the truck, don't ride quietly in the back seat.
GPG!

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RCPackerFan's picture

February 13, 2023 at 12:50 pm

I remember in an article last week I responded to what was say by saying something about Rodgers, and I was essentially told that I was the only person on the website that continues to bring up Rodgers every day. Good to know.

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MainePackFan's picture

February 13, 2023 at 01:36 pm

lol. I seem to recall that too. This is Just another article in which we all repeat the same things we have been saying in the last 10 Aaron Rodgers articles.

I never thought I would say this, but I can't wait to see everyone's 101 mock drafts posted in here :)
We've certainly beat this dead horse long enough.

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BirdDogUni's picture

February 13, 2023 at 02:02 pm

Ask, and you shall receive... ;P

15 Jalen Carter DL | Georgia

45 Darnell Washington TE | Georgia

78 Zach Harrison EDGE | Ohio State

116 Trey Dean III S | Florida

151 A.T. Perry WR | Wake Forest

171 Andrei Iosivas WR | Princeton

234 Trevor Reid OT | Louisville

237 Connor Galvin OT | Baylor

244 Tavion Thomas RB | Utah

257 Jake Moody K | Michigan

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MainePackFan's picture

February 13, 2023 at 02:29 pm

lol. Now we're talking!!

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BirdDogUni's picture

February 13, 2023 at 02:12 pm

Combine is closer than we think. Ranking will change significantly after the Combine. Won't hear about QBs in this class until the Combine and pro days...

15: R1 P15 EDGE Tyree Wilson - Texas Tech
45: R2 P14 TE Darnell Washington - Georgia
78: R3 P15 S Jammie Robinson - Florida State
116: R4 P14 RB Roschon Johnson - Texas
151: R5 P15 S Ji'Ayir Brown - Penn State
171: R5 P35 OT Alex Palczewski - Illinois
234: R7 P15 OT Carter Warren - Pitt
237: R7 P18 RB Tavion Thomas - Utah
244: R7 P25 WR Andrei Iosivas - Princeton
257: R7 P38 EDGE Ali Gaye - LSU

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Packerpasty's picture

February 13, 2023 at 06:01 pm

nope, theses about 20 of you..

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13TimeChamps's picture

February 13, 2023 at 12:55 pm

I just saw an interesting quote from Patrick Mahomes about his preparation for next season after just winning the Super Bowl and being named MVP (Super Bowl and regular season).

"I'll for sure be ready for OTAs and everything like that,'' Mahomes said.

An elite NFL, MVP QB who participates in OTA's to prepare for the upcoming season. What a novel concept.

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The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

February 13, 2023 at 01:24 pm

He also heaped praise on his coach and proclaimed he wouldnt be here if not for Andy Reid. Must be nice when the coach is allowed to run his team and the superstar qb respects it.

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barutanseijin's picture

February 13, 2023 at 04:02 pm

It’s one reason Mahomes has more Super Bowl appearances and victories in six seasons than Rodgers has in 18.

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GP1's picture

February 13, 2023 at 05:29 pm

Yes but Patrick M plays for the team not for himself

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Packerpasty's picture

February 13, 2023 at 06:02 pm

he was mostly referring to his ankle situation..

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WestCoastPackerBacker's picture

February 13, 2023 at 06:15 pm

Ask him again when he's 17 seasons into his career.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

February 13, 2023 at 08:01 pm

13,
And maybe at least once during the year he hangs out with a rookie WR to get to know one another. I find it interesting AR won't hang out with his 20 something year old WR's and teammates, but he has no problem hanging out with his 20 something year old FWB's ...slash girlfriends! LOL!

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stockholder's picture

February 13, 2023 at 12:57 pm

Think of the Money??
You want Love?
Pay me!
You want me gone.
Pay me.
You want to win.
Pay me.
You want choices.
I'll laugh all the way to the bank.
You want my ass.
You signed the contract.

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The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

February 13, 2023 at 01:22 pm

Nobody wants your ass, SH. This is a family site.

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Oppy's picture

February 13, 2023 at 03:04 pm

I'd really enjoy it if the Packers 'honored their contract' they signed by declaring Love the starter in 2023, and telling Rodgers he can hold a clip board, or he can pound sand and retire.

I mean, it would be horrible for the Packers not to dump Rodgers' contract in 2023, but if it comes to keeping Rodgers, it would be fun to watch your head explode as the Packers 'honor his contract' by letting him ride pine.

That would be glorious.

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Packerpasty's picture

February 13, 2023 at 06:03 pm

never would happen...for one thing Love can't beat him out...go watch training camp one time you'll see.

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PackyCheese500's picture

February 13, 2023 at 06:47 pm

Even if Love were to play better, do you really think MLF would relegate their 50 million 4 time MVP QB to backup duty?

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NickPerry's picture

February 14, 2023 at 06:00 am

Nope, MFL doesn't have the balls for that.

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packergal's picture

February 17, 2023 at 09:43 am

Hello Stockholder,

I LMAO after reading your posts and enjoy the comments/defense of AROD.

Just curiously, did you fashion your response above after the GOODFELLAS movie line?

"Oh, you had a fire? F... you, Pay me".
"Place got hit by lightning, huh? F,,, you, Pay me".
"Excuse number three...F...you, Pay me".

Wondering.

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Leatherhead's picture

February 13, 2023 at 01:03 pm

I don't get this "Rodgers is driving the bus".

He's deciding if he wants to play another season. I think he's entitled to that.
He'll decide. He'll let the team know.

The team has been preparing his replacement for 3years.

IF he wants to retire, fine. If he wants to play, the Packers have teams that would like to trade for him.

How is this Rodgers driving the bus? I see adults conducting business. Rodgers has his agenda, the team has theirs. This will be resolved well before the first OTA. Love will be our QB and Rodgers will bring us some nice draft picks in trade. WE SHOULD BE HAPPY, but like a bunch of two-year olds, we want what we want RIGHT NOW.

Take a breath. Read a book. This is being resolved, and I think a lot of people are going to be happy with the way it's resolved.

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WestCoastPackerBacker's picture

February 13, 2023 at 06:17 pm

Thank goodness for some maturity. I'd rather #12 take the time he needs than to waffle like Brady. He's not doing anything that hurts GB right now.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

February 13, 2023 at 08:22 pm

I believe it as well LH!

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PackyCheese500's picture

February 13, 2023 at 08:35 pm

Well said LH.

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The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

February 13, 2023 at 01:21 pm

Hes driving the VW hippy bus. Packers should change their colors to tie-dye.

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BirdDogUni's picture

February 13, 2023 at 02:15 pm

"3000 miles to Graceland" Hope AR doesn't pick up Kevin Costner while he's driving the hippy bus...

Just saying.

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Packer_Fan's picture

February 13, 2023 at 01:26 pm

I went dark and have returned. I dreamed dreams, had visions and now see what the future holds for the Packers...

Rodgers decides to keep playing and accepts a trade to the Raiders because he will have the most influence on the offense with Adams. In return the Pack get 1st and 2nd round this year and a conditional draft pick next year if the Raiders make the playoffs.

Gute kicks the can down the road and restructures the players under contract to gain $50 mil savings. He resigns Nixon, Ford, Nijman and Reed. And signs FA TE Hurtz (sp?) from Cinci.

With the additional draft picks through the first three rounds Gute picks in order, a DL, EDGE, WR, TE and QB. In the latter rounds I see a S and CB.

In one year they get through cap hell from Rodgers and retool.

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Leatherhead's picture

February 13, 2023 at 01:27 pm

No point in trying to improve the line.

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Packer_Fan's picture

February 13, 2023 at 01:37 pm

Not the OL yet. Need to see how Jones and Walker pan out this year. But yes to DL. And I see Barry getting fired after two games of playing 19 yards off on third and three.

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dobber's picture

February 13, 2023 at 01:56 pm

If they draft a guy, and one or both of those two (Jones/Walker, or even Rhyan) show enough promise to stick, then deal someone from a position of strength to clear space and count your blessings. Otherwise that draft pick might save the team a QB or two. Just don't think it's wise hanging on a 7th rounder and UDFA.

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Leatherhead's picture

February 13, 2023 at 02:23 pm

If we bring back Bakhtiari and Nijman, we have six legit starters. If Rhyan, Walker, or Jones can improve enough, that's 7. If we draft a guy on Day 2, we might have 8 and that might be enough to get us through the year.

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dobber's picture

February 13, 2023 at 01:51 pm

It's not sexy enough for some.

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pantz_bURp's picture

February 13, 2023 at 01:58 pm

I find it sexy...

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BirdDogUni's picture

February 13, 2023 at 02:18 pm

You find Sh sexy though...

;P

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pantz_bURp's picture

February 13, 2023 at 02:34 pm

Yeah, well.......personality is high on my list. :D

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PackyCheese500's picture

February 13, 2023 at 06:48 pm

Why? We have Tom, Jenkins, Myers, Runyan, and Nijman. Give that line a year, and then replace the bad parts of it in 2024

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crayzpackfan's picture

February 13, 2023 at 01:38 pm

The ONLY way I get on this "bus" is if Rodgers agrees to (void) his current contract (is that even possible? TGR?) and he plays on a one year contract,15 million guaranteed with no signing bonus and a 20 million guaranteed incentive bonus if GB wins the Super Bowl. We just can't accept his existing contract while trying to retain Love (or 5-6 others for that matter). If He is sincere about retiring as a Packer, and honest about money not being a factor, then why is my BS meter reaching WW3 levels? He won't do this unless he has his built-in excuses for his shortcomings. You know what? Good Lord! Just move on from him already. He's been nothing but a hemorrhoid the last 3 years.

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jhtobias's picture

February 13, 2023 at 02:02 pm

Whether it is Rodgers or Love nKes no difference when you have Joe Berry and Adam Stenovich as your coordinators who couldnt adjust to getting an umbrella durung a rain storm your doomexd.

I digress if rodgers wants to come back not much can be done your not cutting him for a 99 million dollard cap hit. Just tell him ok but Jordan is the number one your his backup his ego would explode

Thrn tell him when you get outplyed by old tom brady, garrapolo, and goff at home in must win games it is time to move on .

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TXCHEESE's picture

February 13, 2023 at 02:46 pm

Exactly! No reason to believe another run at it would have different results.

I wonder how much was Stenovich and how much was Rodgers? I would think Stenovich would have leaned more on the run than the offense did last year. That could be Rodgers, or even MLF as he was the play caller.

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PackyCheese500's picture

February 13, 2023 at 06:49 pm

Steno didn't call plays last year

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Doug_In_Sandpoint's picture

February 13, 2023 at 02:56 pm

I think we could get a 2nd for Love from someone...maybe the Seahawks when Geno moves on as a FA. Then we trade Rodgers to the Raiders for a boatload of picks including their #7 2023. Then we package the second from Love, our 15th and the Raiders 7th for Houston's number 2 pick. We chose Bryce Young or CJ Stroud and we're set for the next 15 years. You're welcome.

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LeotisHarris's picture

February 13, 2023 at 03:06 pm

Doug! I was thinking the *exact* same thing this morning while I was working out. Coincidence? I. Think. Not! ::fistbump::

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stockholder's picture

February 13, 2023 at 05:50 pm

Now is not the time to draft a QB.
Sign a Veteran. Draft your needs.

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PackyCheese500's picture

February 13, 2023 at 07:48 pm

One of Rodgers or Love is going to go. In that case, I think it would be beneficial to sign Taylor Heinicke, one of the best backup QBs in the league

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

February 13, 2023 at 08:24 pm

They will need a good back-up when Rodgers is gone.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

February 13, 2023 at 08:24 pm

They will need a good back-up when Rodgers is gone.

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PackyCheese500's picture

February 13, 2023 at 07:48 pm

Why? I think Love is better than any of the QBs in this class, personally

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stockholder's picture

February 14, 2023 at 07:43 am

Love is not going to change the cap for the better..
He's not anything special.
Jake Haener won the senior bowl MVP. (Mid rd. )
Also another good guy; is Jaren Hall BYU. (Mid rd,)
Both would be a better fit. (per cap and back-up)

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WestCoastPackerBacker's picture

February 13, 2023 at 03:01 pm

This situation has been what it is for a very long time, since they offered Rodgers the new deal. This is what they signed on for. Look at Tom Brady, retiring, coach gets fired and then unretiring. Look at Big Ben - unsure at the end of his career whether the timing was right to retire. Same with Favre; he retired and then unretired and then played 3 more seasons. The season he turned 40 was one of the best of his career. When they resigned Rodgers he had just come off back-to-back MVPs and I just can't see any GM in the league trading a QB after that.

How many MVPs were traded the next season to another team? My guess is zero. So they gave him a massive contract, but it had been earned, with stellar play and 3 seasons in a row of 13 wins.

A tough year later and the hate is full on, for the QB, for the front office, for the coach, for the GM, for the President. It's like all that winning never happened. It's like one bad season (with a broken thumb, young WRs, injured WRs, and a defense not playing to its talent) proves that everybody in the building is an idiot.

I don't get the hate. I truly don't get the hate. These men have worked their asses off day and night, year round to give Packer fans good football to watch and hope for a playoff berth and a title. They have been so very much more successful than many, many, many front offices, coaches, QBs etc throughout the league. We have been, and are, damn lucky fans. Whatever direction they go with, I'm fine with it. We won't know how it works out until it works out. They make the best decisions they can make at the time they make those decisions. They don't have the hindsight everybody on this chat has a year later. Gute tried to keep Adams, tried to bring in other veterans WRs, tried to build a winning roster. And some things went wrong. That doesn't make them idiots. That's not a reason to fire them all. They are dealing with one of the most talented QBs ever to put on a helmet, with a mercurial personality and at a point in his career when he can make certain demands and get away with it.

That's not unusual. You think Brady didn't make demands? Peyton was the play caller when he played. I think this might be the season we say goodbye to one of the best to ever wear green and gold. Whatever happens, I will wish him well and be grateful for all the winning, not hateful for any of the losing.

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LeotisHarris's picture

February 13, 2023 at 03:03 pm

Skippin' through the lily fields I came across an empty space,
It trembled and exploded, left a bus stop in it's place.
The bus came by and I got on, that's when it all began,
There was cowboy Neal at the wheel of the bus to never ever land.

Comin', comin', comin' around, comin', around,
Comin', around, in a circle
Comin', comin', comin' around, comin' around, in a circle,
Comin', comin', comin' around, comin' in a circle.

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J-Rome's picture

February 13, 2023 at 03:39 pm

Is Rodgers truly driving the bus, or is the FO just posturing? If they came out and said they were trading Rodgers he would almost certainly take offense because he wants some control over his future. If they are smart, they are letting him think he has control over his future and he will see on his own its best for him to leave. If they aren't, well.....bus meet ditch

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Swisch's picture

February 13, 2023 at 03:42 pm

Humiliation.
No one can take our dignity, no matter how badly we are treated, because no one can control our hearts.
However, we can give away our dignity rather easily.
This is a sad time for the noble Packers franchise, not in being held hostage three seasons in a row by Rodgers, but in allowing themselves to be held hostage three seasons in a row.
Groveling, to say the least, is not a good look, and it can't be good for the health of the team moving forward.
***
The ongoing enabling of Rodgers is a disgrace that is a continuing cause of dysfunction.
The evidence is three seasons in a row ending with the Packers being upset on Lambeau Field in big games --with our QB underwhelming each time overall, and each time failing us in the fourth quarter with the game on the line.
***
Hard times for Packers fans as far as honor and even results. I would say the lack of honor is the main cause of the poor results.
Aaron Rodgers is the fault line of character around which the Packers crack and crumble under pressure.
His enablers are sorry accomplices, and yet even now -- while Rodgers goes dark -- they can still make a firm stand to salvage some measure of their dignity, and for all who care about the Packers.
As fans, we can at keep our dignity by a firm stand against this ugly and embarrassing fiasco.
While Rodgers is hallucinating in bleak self-absorption, there is still time for the front office to regain its senses.

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13TimeChamps's picture

February 13, 2023 at 03:57 pm

I wasn't aware that simply following a football team we grew up with had anything to do with our personal dignity or character. But, hey, that's just me.

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Swisch's picture

February 13, 2023 at 04:31 pm

Well, if as fans we understand the indignity of what is happening due to Rodgers and his enablers, and go along with it, then it seems we are part of the problem.
For those of us who have the leisure and the desire to pay extra attention,to the Packers -- as in hanging out at CHTV -- it's hard to see how anyone would not be stricken and sickened by the domineering arrogance of Rodgers being allowed to continually dictate terms to the team.
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I like to think most Packers fans, most Americans, realize that being a winner entails both talent and character.
We believe in silly things like sportsmanship and teamwork and sacrifice and honor.
Without character, it seems life is a rather meaningless endeavor, and any apparent successes are rather hollow.
With character, it seems even the tiniest things in life are meaningful, and we can die a happy death regardless of the apparent results.
Mother Teresa said God doesn't call us to be successful, but to be faithful. I'll go with her in putting character first.
Integrity is sustenance, and transcendence, and the results will ultimately work out for the good of all.

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13TimeChamps's picture

February 13, 2023 at 04:48 pm

Do you ever get tired of acting like your moral character is so much higher than the rest of us because you read a of couple books by Lombardi. Your constant preaching is rather tiresome. How about pointing out some of the high character things you have accomplished other than reading a book or watching a movie.

As far as "most Packer fans" are concerned, luckily we can put being a fan of a particular team in perspective. It's a damn football game that takes up 3 hours of our week. It's simple entertainment. It doesn't define our integrity and moral character. How we raise our children to be successful, respectful adults would be a better measure of that. I'm happy to say I've done quite well in that regard, along with my lovely wife.

While your hero's are Starr and Lombardi, mine are my kids, who continue to amaze me every day.

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Swisch's picture

February 13, 2023 at 05:33 pm

Would you tell your kids and grandkids it's alright to act like a jerk as long as you're a star in sports?
I doubt it.
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It was Lombardi who said you don't do things right once in a while, but all of the time.
It was Lombardi who seemed to say that it's important to do the little things well in order to do the big things well -- by insisting on punctuality, for example, and dressing well for team activities.
It was Lombardi who talked with his players about living a good life off the field more so than he talked about football itself.
It's Lombardi who said the main dynamic of the Packers achievement was "love" for each other.
It was Lombardi who became the greatest coach of all time for the greatest team of all time.
It seems that Lombardi's emphasis on character is an essential part of the astounding success of the Packers on the field.
It seems normal for Packers fans to be proud of that heritage, and to see its example as important for the good of the team today, on and off the field.
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Without character, then it seems following the Packers is basically the same as fantasy football, all statistics without the measure of the men.
If we think of the players as merely robots running around for our amusement, and not as people, then don't be surprised if the players dismiss us fans as unimportant -- and act as mercenaries to the highest bidder.
In that case, football is just a waste of time, or so it seems to me.
I want players like Bart Starr, like Aaron Jones, who are part of part of the Packers community as real people.
We love them always.
***
I wonder why you come here to CHTV, 13TC, when you have so much else of great worth going on in your life.
Why do you put so much effort into ridiculing and scorning me, a mere peon compared to your stature?
Why don't you just skim my comments, or skip them altogether?
Please, save your strength for people more worthy than me, people you will actually treat with respect.
Apparently, in your book, I'm not worthy of such, even to the degree of basic human courtesy.

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13TimeChamps's picture

February 13, 2023 at 05:47 pm

"Why don't you just skim my comments, or skip them altogether?"

Well, if your posts didn't take up my entire computer screen, that might be easier to do.

"Brevity is the soul of wit" Shakespeare. Clever people can express intelligent things using very few words.

I read too.

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pantz_bURp's picture

February 13, 2023 at 06:03 pm

Is it wrong that when I get to a post I don't care to read, I go back and reread my own multiple times a day? I find my posts energetic, charismatic, original, winsome and ripe with low and high hanging Packer fruit. ;)

I hope we all are proud what we bring currently and in the past to our tables. You don't have to be this way or that.

I passed a billboard in WI yesterday that said, "Of all the things you can choose to be in this world, choose being kind". I got work to do...on myself. :D

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Swisch's picture

February 13, 2023 at 06:24 pm

In the summer of 2020, I went to the Mayo Clinic in Minnesota, and was diagnosed with chronic fatigue syndrome (CFS/ME). I was told there was no known cause and no known cure.
It's an illness that is generally ignored, or even ridiculed, as largely imaginary. Same with the severe depression I've experienced for more than three decades -- it's belittled as a lack of real effort.
So it is that I may be considered a drifter, a ne'er-do-well, even a burden.
***
Even so, I dare to believe that my life has meaning, and value, that God loves me and wants me here on this earth for some reason that is not insignificant.
I do genuinely admire people of achievement -- such as Vince Lombardi and Bart Starr -- even if I have very little to show on my own resume.
I admire Mother Teresa, who even on merely practical terms was an incredible entrepreneur of a worldwide organization of wonderful service (as pointed out in a new book by one of her former attorneys and friends, Jim Towey, "To Love and Be Loved").
In my comparative irrelevance, I try simply do what I'm able to do, however miniscule. It's highly discouraging much of the time; but I try to trust that God is pleased with me attempting to do my best, and that he'll help me to do more if he wants me to do more.
Vincent Van Gogh only sold one painting in his lifetime, and the ones he gave away as gifts or to compensate for debts were generally tossed aside as worthless. One was used to patch up a chicken coop.
Whatever the case is with me, I try to persevere.
***
In any case, 13TC, please leave me with my ideals, which get me up in the morning, or at least sometime in the afternoon.
It's my ideals that keep me alive, even with all of my faults and all of my flaws.
It seems I post at CHTV less often than many of the regulars; and that however delusional I may be in my ideals, my words would do little harm to anyone.
It just so happens that these ideals seem to largely coincide with those of Lombardi and Starr, and that as Packers fans we may do well to keep them in consideration, even to hold them as relevant for today.

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pantz_bURp's picture

February 13, 2023 at 06:44 pm

Swisch, you be you...that is the best gift you can give yourself. It takes courage to pull it off. But you have more courage and self- acceptance than I have.

We all have a driving force and a quote I like, "he who hears not the music, thinks the dancers mad". After reading this quote...maybe I should lighten up on #12 and just let this play out as it will. I will try, but no promises...baby steps, perhaps. :)

Peace ✌️

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Swisch's picture

February 13, 2023 at 08:08 pm

Thanks so much, beautiful_mystery, for words of kindness genuinely appreciated.
I do have a lot of self-doubt to the point of torment, a scrupulosity (which has been called the "doubting disease") that is a form of obsessive-compulsive disorder (which in general is thought to be caused by an injury to a part of the brain called the basal ganglia, according to Dr. Ian Osborn.)
It almost drove St. Ignatius of Loyola to suicide; St. Therese of Lisieux said she experienced it as a "martyrdom" (and may have contracted it in childhood due to the autoimmune disease of Sydenham's chorea); and its tortures seem to be the main reason Martin Luther rejected the Catholic Church (e.g., a dread of confession that caused him to want to abolish confession).
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At the same time, I try to hold fast to the belief (which originated with Christianity, and was unthinkable in the world before Christ) that all of us are created equal in worth.
No one of us is inferior to another, and no one of us is superior.
It is that unique belief in the equality of all humans that is the basis for the belief in basic rights for all humans.
One of those rights is free speech. Others may dismiss me as a raving lunatic, or simply as someone not worth listening to -- but I have a right to speak out as an American, and especially as a human being created in the image of God.
So, I make my comments here at CHTV, and elsewhere, neither putting myself above others, nor below.
People can take them as they will, or skip them altogether.
What it seems we owe each other -- according to my ideals -- is human respect in the form of courtesy.
I also believe that we all have something to offer this world; and that it's wise not to dismiss people based on appearances, no matter how lowly a person may seem.
***
All of which brings me to Aaron Rodgers.
I don't judge him as far as considering myself better than him; I judge him as far as being a harm to the Packers due to his arrogant attitude.
I may be wrong -- but we all have to make judgments in life in terms of whom we choose to fix our cars, or to babysit our children, or to manage our belongings and artifacts after our deaths.
Based on careful consideration, I don't want Rodgers as the quarterback of the Packers. I try to steer clear of his personal life, except as it seems relevant to doing his job. I still care about the guy, who has been one of my favorite players of all time, and still root for him as a player and a person.
I think this is worthy discussion for those of us who care about the Packers. Without the fans, there is no NFL. We have a voice, too, and opinions of value.
To disagree with Rodgers is not necessarily a sign of hate; it can truly be a form of love.

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pantz_bURp's picture

February 13, 2023 at 09:09 pm

I hear ya Swisch. I won't go into great detail but I am more spiritual than religious. I am taking more of the Native American Indian believes of respecting all living things (plants, animals, humans, environment, etc). We are all connected in some fashion.

What I genuinely appreciate about your approach on this board is you actually ask for other's feedback.

I know this is a football- related board (Packers) but I love when there is also dialogue that brushes up against topics in life as well (Vic was superb with this). You at least will stick with football and your thoughts/ideals related to it. I, enjoy humor and topics outside of football.

You most definitely have a right and reason to be here.

Sleep well and like my mom always said, "we are all just doing the best we can".

GPG!

*Another billboard in WI I love is, "Don't just live, SHINE". What a great reminder.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

February 13, 2023 at 08:31 pm

Swish & 13...the two of you both are some of my favorite posters. Love is the message!

Love!!!

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13TimeChamps's picture

February 13, 2023 at 08:52 pm

Jordan Love? I agree!!! Can't wait to see what this kid has to offer.

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Packerpasty's picture

February 13, 2023 at 06:10 pm

Things are getting really strange...time for a few more people to go to the darkness for a few days...or maybe even the jungle!! Micro dose some LSD it will mellow all you people out..

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pantz_bURp's picture

February 13, 2023 at 06:14 pm

Naw, I just will belly up to watch The Little Mermaid with some chai tea and in no time...I am happy! Especially when the the frogs are clinging to the boat oar and the chorus comes into full range:

"don't be shy, come on and kiss the girl...."

Gets me every time. I am damn near tearing up now. ;)

*Gotta run, gonna find the VHS and start doing my Sebastian dance to the rec room.

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Swisch's picture

February 13, 2023 at 04:49 pm

In the classic movie, "Mr. Smith Goes to Washington," when the title character filibusters on the floor of the Senate to fight corruption in his home state, he reads from the Declaration of Independence and makes a comment similar to this: Now we're not going to put these noble words into effect in America if we can't tell the difference between human rights and a punch in the face.
It seems some fans can't tell that Aaron Rodgers is punching us in the face, or at least slapping us in the face. They defend him, and instead, attack me.
That hurts a little bit for me as a person, but it's much more troubling to think that people will somehow accept the abuse of Rodgers over and over again.
It seems a stunning act of self-abasement.
Not only do some seem not care about the dignity of the Packers, but even the dignity of themselves.

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WestCoastPackerBacker's picture

February 13, 2023 at 06:35 pm

That's the funniest thing I've read in a long time. Aaron Rodgers punching the fans in the face. Win back-to-back MVPs and 3 seasons in a row of 13 wins. Was that a punch?

Negotiate a top contract after said back-to-back MVPs? Was that a punch in the face? If that was a punch, then it's the front office you have an issue with. They gave him top dollar, clearly believing he gave them the best shot to win a Title.

He gets injured and doesn't play well, has young WRs and the defense barely plays much of the season. Was that a punch to your face? Was that really delivered by Rodgers?

He takes some time after the season to decide whether to retire or ask for a trade at a time when nothing is on the line for GB. No deadline yet on Love's 5th year option, no need to determine which free agents to let go. No need yet to determine whether to restructure anybody.

Would you rather he announce retirement and then come back, like Brady or Favre?

I don't see any damage to dignity here; just business decisions.

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WestCoastPackerBacker's picture

February 13, 2023 at 06:21 pm

Waiting for a hall of fame QB to decide whether he wants to retire, play for a different team, or play for the Pack is "enabling" how? This is just what happens at the end of great QBs careers. Brady jumped to another team to try to win another Title. Same with Peyton. They both got lucky. Favre retired and un-retired, as did Brady. Rodgers has done nothing to hurt GB except to negotiate an expensive deal after 2 MVPs in a row.

I don't see any enabling. I see people making business decisions.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

February 13, 2023 at 08:33 pm

This retiring bullshit is just that!

No frigging way Rodgers passes on the daily attention he gets as an NFL QB let alone next years $60 million, plus endorsements. It is embarrassing how he manipulates the media, fans, and the Packers. Good God!

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NorCalPacker685's picture

February 13, 2023 at 04:44 pm

Aaron Rodgers has, and always will, only cared about Aaron Rodgers. Sure, the Packers organization reaped some rewards from his individual talent. But that's all he has ever been. An individual. He was never a leader, no matter how he tries to describe different types of leaders. He never took players under his wing and brought them up to his level. He just expected them to do so. There are a couple of players who became great in their own right, who will claim he is a leader. But those guys made themselves...

Then, in the twilight of his career, he has an opportunity to create a cap situation that would allow the team to bring back/in players that could potentially take the TEAM over the hump. Guys like Tom Brady and Tim Duncan, at the same time in their careers, took less than market value and low and behold both won championships at the end of their respective hall of fame careers.

What does Rodgers do? He bends the team over a barrell and demands the highest salary in NFL history with escalating cap numbers to ensure the team will be terribly once he leaves. All so he can look back and say he was the reason for all the regular season success.

So long. Good riddance. Thanks for the memories... and all the gut wrenching playoff losses where you played scared and stared down 1 receiver the whole time. They always say, "don't meet your heros"... well, he's not even a hero anymore

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Swisch's picture

February 13, 2023 at 04:59 pm

I like to think Aaron Rodgers was a better person in his first years with the Packers; and that he will become a better person again, although not with the Packers.
It's time for Rodgers to leave the Packers, whether he wants to or not.
Goodbye, Aaron, as in God be with ye.

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WestCoastPackerBacker's picture

February 13, 2023 at 06:29 pm

How the heck can you know what kind of leader he is in the huddle? Any QB in the league that had won 2 MVPs in a row would want to be paid the highest deal. I mean look at what QB salaries are now, with what Watson got from the Browns and what Wilson got from the Broncos. That's the NFL man. You gotta pay the best players at the most important position the most money. Mahomes was the highest paid QB when he did his last contract.

Hating Rodgers for getting paid what he is worth is just silly. Somebody else will sign a deal soon for even more.

How did he bend the team over a barrel? By winning back-to-back MVPs? Should he have played badly so you could see whether Jordan Love is worth the 5th year option? They could have let him go either of the last two years but the front office wanted Rodgers back. Rodgers got a market contract. It's ridiculous to blame that on Rodgers.

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Qoojo's picture

February 13, 2023 at 05:17 pm

A good chance AR is still here if you can believe the reports. It really does seem like a pass the blame game thing going on. Packers don't want to look like AR was chased out and AR is afraid of his damaging image to fans to say get me out of here.

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Packerpasty's picture

February 13, 2023 at 06:05 pm

He's staying 100 percent...my cousin works at Woodmans and Rodgers shops there for the organic stuff, he told my cuz that he'll see him next summer...

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PatrickGB's picture

February 13, 2023 at 06:35 pm

There ya go. Got that question answered.

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Qoojo's picture

February 14, 2023 at 02:08 pm

People are too uptight here. That was funny.

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PackyCheese500's picture

February 13, 2023 at 06:51 pm

I have read, though, that both sides are okay with a trade. Maybe that leads to something?

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pantz_bURp's picture

February 13, 2023 at 07:31 pm

Happy Valentines Day #12 (a bit early)

Nothing real astonishing, but here are some virtual chocolates for you. They are dark chocolate, which I hope is okay with you. I read that dark chocolate is supposed to be healthier than milk chocolate. Since I am not sure if you will be with the Packers or not next season, I want you to eat healthy just in case.

Happy Valentines Day #10 (a tad early).

How you holding up? Here are some virtual assorted chocolates I hope you enjoy. These don't have Ex-Lax...

Brighter days ahead for the both of you, the front office and the fans. It will be good to know the plan moving forward whenever it becomes available.

Peace ✌️

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EnemyTerritory's picture

February 13, 2023 at 08:20 pm

Day 1 of the total eclipse. What will he do? Accept the trade or play another year in Green Bay? There is no option three to retire and share the possible HOF stage with #12 (the other one). Stay tuned. Candles at the ready

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GPG_Since_66's picture

February 13, 2023 at 10:49 pm

I like Aaron Rodgers. I appreciate all he has done. But he is 39/40 years old. He is in decline and is as fragile as any other Quarterback his age. For example a thumb can make all the difference. His time with the Packers should be over. The GB front office has to say it will welcome him back even if (though) they do not want him back. They were incredibly stupid to sign him to this contract. They have positioned themselves that if he wants back they pretty much have to take him and that will mean another two years and the loss of Love. He may rework the contract but why would he give up guaranteed $s? The power is all with him now. They have let out leaks that they do not want him back. If he wants to play for someone else they should be (and likely will be) ecstatic. If they can get a 1 from the Raiders or 1+ from the Jets for him they should thank their lucky stars. Gute took Love. If they take back Rodgers and set Love loose, look for Gute to go next. What a mess. Oh, well. We had two Super Bowl wins in my adulthood, for which I am very thankful both to Aaron and to Brett.

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