Win the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball and it will wipe the reason to worry about Berry away.

That will be hard to do if he only lets one or two D-linemen play at a time.

If we know, he and MLF must, right?

"Barry often treats every quarterback in the league like they are Mahomes, refusing to come out of his two-high shell and allowing offenses who primarily want to run the ball to do just that, churning out long drives in the process."

There's absolutely NO REASON for Barry to play that way tonight. First and foremost stop Barkley. It really isn't rocket science although at times I think Barry treats it as such. Just play defense and don't get fancy or cute. I don't want to have a meltdown tonight and letting Barkley run wild would do just that.

I'm more concerned to be honest with Meyers and Runyan matched up with Lawrence inside. That dude is the real deal. Just keep doing what you have on offense. Keep everybody involved and keep using all the motion and misdirection. And for the love of God, please TAKE the ball if you can to open the game.

Packers 27 Giants 13....GPG!

I would not say we had no trouble against the blitz versus the Chiefs. For whatever reason, perhaps injuries to their two top ILBs the Chiefs use a lot in that role, the Chiefs really didn’t do much till the second half. We scored most of our points before that. Yes, we didn’t give up many sacks (one) but our O didn’t retain its rhythm.

The Giants May rush a lot, but they haven’t been very successful at it. Only 2 teams had less sacks going in to this weekend. They just don’t have much talent apart from Thibodeaux, who has 11 out of 21 total. A healthy Lawrence adds to that, but he’s unlikely to be at his peak if he plays. Like the Chiefs in approach, but without Jones to help. If we can’t keep a good pocket for Love, then questions should rightly be asked of our OL more pointedly than recently.

DeVito is fairly mobile. He does have a decent arm, but his processing is slow to date. They played a Washington team in disarray and managed to score, but the depth of pass was negligible. Simple, fast releases to get the ball out as soon as possible and still surrendering sacks at a crazy rate if that was prevented.

They are running and passing into the same area, very similar to the LaFleur O early last year. The one that got us nowhere and had teams packing the first ten yards, allowing them to shut down the run and attack the QB. Not a good recipe when their best weapon is a RB and a viscous circle of stalled drives and sacks.

If we play as we have, we will have singularly failed to learn lessons from our own struggles and from what has been successful for other opponents of the Giants.

Force DeVito to pass and force him to have to do so deeper and in longer developing plays behind that sieve of an OL. He’s not vastly accurate at longer range either and his receivers aren’t great. Win in the first 10 yards and we may have turnovers from DBs as well as sacks. Play light and soft and we maximize their chances on the ground and through the air.

This is a game where an extra big body could really help. Saquon likes to run between the tackles and is good enough to win doing it. He’s 230 plus pounds, it’s asking a lot of 2 big men to hold up throughout a game, especially if we let them sustain long slow drives that they have been relying on, even if they don’t score early. They will try to grind us down.

Yes, we should beat the Giants but in the NFL, anything can happen.

If we can continue to eliminate turnovers and have minimal penalties then we should be victorious!

I just think that our team is too young and it is still really too early in the season to know how these guys will respond. Just not enough history.

I will take a guarded approach to watching this game. I will hope for a victory but will still be satisfied if they just continue their upward trajectory.

Come on Packers, keep playing well!

He might not tweak his PLAN, but there is a good chance he’ll tweak THE FANS.

Writing something positive about the Packer defense is heresy on CHTV. The best thing one is allowed say is that Joe Barry doesn't have a man bun. Yet.

Undaunted: this defense is not as bad as many people believe.

Over the past 17 games the D has given up an average of only 19.5 points per game. For a season, this puts them between #3 and #8 in the league over the past ten years.

I know about the rushing yards given up and the infuriating lapses, but this is not a weak defense.

The defense starts up front.

"... the Packers defense recorded three red zone sacks against Mahomes and Goff was under duress on a whopping 52 percent of his dropbacks, according to PFF, with Justin Herbert facing pressure on almost 40 percent of his snaps. For some context around those percentages, the top 10 most pressured quarterbacks in football this season have all been under pressure at least 40 percent of the time.

"... the interior is where the Packers have seen the greatest pass rush presence during that span, with Kenny Clark, Karl Brooks, and Devonte Wyatt all ranking in the top 30 out of 88 eligible defensive linemen in pass-rush win rate. Clark also ranks second in total pressures.

"The Packers defense has gone from ranking in the bottom third of the league in pressure rate to currently sitting at 11th overall11th overall."

https://sports.yahoo.com/packers-pass-rush-opportunity-control-191350290...

I read on another site Quay Walker out can anyone confirm?

I trust Love and his receivers to continue to improve and give MLF more confidence to build game plans around the given opponent.

Giants D is not good, but are better at pass vs run defense. So run the ball early, right?

I don't think so. A heavier dose of passing to open the game with the Packers' ascending passing attack will get the Giants on their heels... then pound them more on the ground once the pass is moving the ball.

I don't trust Barry to trust the skills of his talented players to build a customized Giants game plan. He's mostly a one trick pony to prevent the chunk plays with heavy zone in mostly nickel/dime/light boxes and in trade for long drives to the red zone and hope for a timely sack or a turnover.

It would be fine surprise to see the Packers pressure with the front 7 and trust his pass rush and DBs. Play with 3 DL early and often. They have the big men to do it and the Edge guys can wreck havoc.

Barry's defense is designed to play with a lead...not to shut down offenses. And for a D that relies on T/O's, they aren't getting many this year. Instead, just bring the pressure, man!

Pack needs to play at the same level & intensity of the last game. Keep the "take no prisoners" attitude.
All 3 phases defense, offense & ST's. Compliment each other. Roll NY & move on!!
GPG!!!!

All solid points in the article except the one about Stokes. I doubt that he will play at all on defense. Probably just special teams until (or if) he can work his way back into game shape.

I agree with most points of this article - that Barry is the X factor in this game. I HATE his soft, containment approach which seems to work best when we have a lead. And I am absolutely not sure he is capable of changing his approach even with a green QB. But please Joe Barry, surprise us. Play with a tight box and concentrate on stopping Barkley early. Blitz and get some pressure on this QB in passing situations.

Outside of that, I am not sure I would throw Stokes into the fray on every defensive down. He will have rust, and that should be expected...

I think Barry's preferred defense is meant to compliment an offense that can score points early. That way he can let them bleed the clock with the run because thats to our advantage. Its not a good strategy if you're playing from behind. I think at the beginning of the game if they have a good plan to stop Barkley and can force punts and build a small lead, this should be an easy game. If Barkley goes off its going to be a fight all night long because stopping him isn't going to get easier later in the game. They need to set the tone early.

I think the defense will continue to adhere to the same core philosophy that we have for the last 3 seasons under Barry:

1) Since it's a passing league, pass defense is the priority. Pass defense starts with guys who can cover.
2) Deny the big strike downfield by playing your safeties back.
3) Apply consistent edge pressure on the QB with a fresh rotation of guys and try to force the QB to throw before he's 100% ready.

At this site,people focus on the rush defense because it's one of the useful tools for bashing the defense.. Currently, we're surrendering 4.5 yards/rush, which is better than KC, Buffalo, Cincinnati and Denver....all teams with winning records. Meanwhile, the best rushing defenses.....the teams that are really stuffing the run....include teams like NE and the Bears.

But it is points that decide games, and the majority of points that are scored in the NFL come through the air, not on the ground. The majority of big "chunk" plays come through the air. And so the Packers have decided that they're willing to sacrifice an extra 0.4 yards per rush to try to keep that from happening. They play off, keep the play in front of them, and will give up 8 yard completions to stop those 55 yard completions.

It's annoying to a lot of people, apparently, that the Packers do this. They would prefer that the Packers take a pass defender off the field, and replace them with a heavy run defender. This would probably improve the run defense, but it would also diminish the pass defense, and teams would throw more passes against us, which would invariably result in more chunk plays and more points against us.''

The best way to improve the rush defense is to apply enough offensive pressure (points) that our opponent doesn't feel they have the luxury of just running the ball for 4.5 yards a crack.....they have to try to throw it against a better than average pass defense.

I know it maddening to have teams grind it down the field, but it's equally maddening to watch opposing WRs have big days against you. Remember the season opener against Minnesota in 2022? Jefferson caught like 30 zillion passes against us.

It's points. It always has been, and it always will be, the purpose of defense. Not the other minutiae that doesn't even correlate with going to the playoffs very well, but plain old points. And who are the toughest defenses to score against in the NFL right now? SF, Ravens, Cowboys, Chiefs,Vikings, Bills, Steelers. That's the top 7, and those are the better defenses in the league. Not Chicago, not NE, even though they're really good at stuffing the run.

Since it is my 54th birthday today, I just want a low stress beat down of the Giants tonight for my gift this year. GPG!!

Bottom 16 in rushing yards allowed per game, 7 teams are top 11 in points per game. Bottom 16 in passing yards allowed per game, 1 team in top 11. Maybe Joe Barry knows more about defense than most on here think.

Blitz counter:

Almost every time spags blitzed last week, Love picked it up and attacked the blitzers space - just like Brady won SB's on - with 2 weeks of this (Lions Glenn and Chiefs Spagniolo), Lawrence being a bit banged up and the GB OL getting better, this could really backfire on the G-men.

First and foremost I believe that the Packers lose this game only if they beat themselves with mistakes and penalties. We have the better team and we have been playing better every week over the last 4-5 games. Keep that going.

As for Barry's defense one of the ways that the Packers can lose this game is if Barry allows Barkley to run all over the place, take time off the clock and keep our offense off the field. So what I would do is plan to stop Barkley, especially early in the game. Take away the Giants best weapon and force DeVito to beat the Packers with the pass. Hopefully the Packers build an early lead as they have in the last 2 games. building a lead does even more to take Barkley out of the Giants offense and force DeVito to be one dimensional. At that point we go back to our stop the pass first defense.

The Giants liability is their OL. Therefore don't allow them to build confidence buy enabling them to get their ground game going. Stop the run, build a lead, make them one dimensional then aggressively pass rush Devito and force bad throws and get sacks. That's the formula. Otherwise the Giants will play to shorten the game by running the ball and sustaining long drives. Don't allow them to win with their formula rather force them to play against our formula for winning.
Go Pack Go! Thanks, Since '61

Joe Barry is the toast of New York.